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[Aurigon 2]

4 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Yes I'm fully aware of this. However I do not care at all about seeing this division in price posting occur within the bid listing. I want to see accurate bid's, not division to exploit the posted listing. The previous version I have is fundamentally the same as what is out now so until you've reverted this change I'll be using the old addon. Thanks and have a nice day.

Forgive the question Lebowski, but... are you Cr0wl0ck from Kronos, by chance? =)

[shirsig 18]

What's an "accurate bid"? A unit bid? Stack bid? I look at the listing in your screenshot and I see exactly what I need to know. I see that all those 1-stacks will be listed above me (colored in red) and that I would have to go for a very low unit price (~5g/20% of historical value) to change that due to my own high stack size. Further I see that the 10 stack there would already be undercut at 46g unit price so I can just leave the bid at the 25.5g, same as the buyout, as it would make no difference.

Edited April 5, 2017 by shirsig

[Lebowski 0]

Honestly if  you can't see that 4g is an inaccurate bid then I don't know what to say.

[shirsig 18]

1 minute ago, Lebowski said:

Honestly if  you can't see that 4g is an inaccurate bid then I don't know what to say.

It's not an inaccurate bid, it's accurately "the unit bid you would have to choose to get the same stack price as that auction with your currently selected stack size". (which is useful because it's close to the one you will get when undercutting)

Edited April 5, 2017 by shirsig

[Lebowski 0]

Just now, shirsig said:

It's not an inaccurate bid, it's accurately "the unit bid you would have to choose to get the same stack price as that auction with your currently selected stack size".

No, its not. The 6 screenshots are representing the change in bid value's as the stack size changes.  Check again
http://imgur.com/a/STv7U

[shirsig 18]

Just now, Lebowski said:

No, its not. The 6 screenshots are representing the change in bid value's as the stack size changes.  Check again
http://imgur.com/a/STv7U

with your currently selected stack size

[Aurigon 2]

Maybe he (Lebowski) is trying to suggest it would be best if right-clicking an item you want to list up for auction would automatically set the stack size to match the stack he's auctioning, with the buyout price undercutting the cheapest buyout from the auctions already present? I'm not by the AH right now so I can't recall how listing works exactly :D

[Lebowski 0]

You're too condescending. I don't think you truly understand what I'm trying to get across here

[shirsig 18]

1 minute ago, Aurigon said:

Maybe he (Lebowski) is trying to suggest it would be best if right-clicking an item you want to list up for auction would automatically set the stack size to match the stack he's auctioning, with the buyout price undercutting the cheapest buyout from the auctions already present? I'm not by the AH right now so I can't recall how listing works exactly :D

You can already do that with double click.

1 minute ago, Lebowski said:

You're too condescending. I don't think you truly understand what I'm trying to get across here

What?? You still haven't even told me what exact value you want to see and why.

[Lebowski 0]

NOTHING but the bid value changes when the stack size changes. Please observe Auctions/Time Left/Stack Size and how they do not change but the bid value does change.

[shirsig 18]

2 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

NOTHING but the bid value changes when the stack size changes. Please observe Auctions/Time Left/Stack Size and how they do not change but the bid value does change.

I told you exactly what the bid value is: "the unit bid you would have to choose to get the same stack price as that auction with your currently selected stack size"

 

Why on earth would that not change when you change the stack size?

 

Let me explain by example:

Let's say there's an auction stack size 10 10g.

You're posting 20 units. If you post it at stack size 20 you need a unit price of 0.5g to match that auction's stack price.

If you're posting at 10 then you need a unit price of 1g (same as that auction's).

If you're posting at 1 you need a unit price of 10g.

Edited April 5, 2017 by shirsig

[Lebowski 0]

Picture 6 is the one that represent's the accurate data regarding bid value's which is what the older version provides for me regardless of the stack size.

[shirsig 18]

Just now, Lebowski said:

Picture 6 is the one that represent's the accurate data regarding bid value's which is what the older version provides for me regardless of the stack size.

If someone gives you a puppy do you complain it's not an accurate cat? that makes no sense. The values are all accurate, they're just defined differently.

[Lebowski 0]

4 minutes ago, shirsig said:

I told you exactly what the bid value is: "the unit bid you would have to choose to get the same stack price as that auction with your currently selected stack size"

 

Why on earth would that not change when you change the stack size?

 

Let me explain by example:

Let's say there's an auction stack size 10 10g.

You're posting 20 units. If you post it at stack size 20 you need a unit price of 0.5g to match that auction's stack price.

If you're posting at 10 then you need a unit price of 1g (same as that auction's).

If you're posting at 1 you need a unit price of 10g.

This is exactly what I don't want it to do. Thank's for clarifying.

[Lebowski 0]

1 minute ago, shirsig said:

If someone gives you a puppy do you complain it's not an accurate cat? that makes no sense. The values are all accurate, they're just defined differently.

No it is different. If I posted with your default values from Picture 1 then my bid for 6 arcane crystals would be 24g. I do not want that to be default by any means.

 

Please do not give me a wall of text around this. I do not care. I'm using the older version.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Lebowski

[shirsig 18]

6 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

No it is different. If I posted with your default values from Picture 1 then my bid for 6 arcane crystals would be 24g. I do not want that to be default by any means.

Why would you "post with them"? What does that even mean? 24g is what your bid has to be if you want to be at the top of that listing. Either that or you have to reduce your stack size. Obviously if you're posting a 6 stack you have to go very low to be above a 1-stack. (about a 6th)

The point of the bid listing is not to "show what a reasonable price would be". That's what the percentages/buyout listing are for. The listing shows what your price needs to be to get a certain position in the listing.

Edited April 5, 2017 by shirsig

[Lebowski 0]

6 minutes ago, shirsig said:

Why would you "post with them"? What does that even mean? 24g is what your bid has to be if you want to be at the top of that listing. Either that or you have to reduce your stack size. Obviously if you're posting a 6 stack you have to go very low to be above a 1-stack. (about a 6th)

The point of the bid listing is not to "show what a reasonable price would be". That's what the percentages/buyout listing are for. The listing shows what your price needs to be to get a certain position in the listing.

You clearly havn't read my point's so lets just agree to disagree. You have your own philosophy and I'm not updating. Have a good day

[Jazzwah 1]

10 hours ago, Jazzwah said:

If u could make ccwatch work on focus target (FocusFrame addon) that would be awesome!

8 hours ago, shirsig said:

Not sure what you mean. How doesn't it?

Lets take a warlock as example. So as a warlock, if i fear/seduce/cot or banish my FOCUS target i would like to see how much longer that cc is gonna last, which i currently don't. That info is only displayed for my primary target.

[shirsig 18]

2 hours ago, Jazzwah said:

Lets take a warlock as example. So as a warlock, if i fear/seduce/cot or banish my FOCUS target i would like to see how much longer that cc is gonna last, which i currently don't. That info is only displayed for my primary target.

Shouldn't be. Except for seduce and freezing trap, which are special cases.

[shirsig 18]

13 hours ago, Lebowski said:

You clearly havn't read my point's so lets just agree to disagree. You have your own philosophy and I'm not updating. Have a good day

Clearly, that's why I'm literally quoting the incoherent parts asking for clarifications ...

[Jazzwah 1]

1 hour ago, shirsig said:

Shouldn't be. Except for seduce and freezing trap, which are special cases.

But it is. I just tried 1 more time just in case i'm delusional. Also i already heard that seduction and freezing trap are somewhat special cases..could u explain on that a little?

[shirsig 18]

Well, what do you mean exactly by casting on your focus? If you target your focus and then cast it's not really anything special. If you mean a special function of the addon (which would have to do the same thing because there's no focus in the vanilla api) then the problem would likely be caused by conflicting hooks.

Seduction and freezing trap don't use the player cast events (because they can't, neither being directly applied after a player cast). This makes them less accurate (e.g., no way to know the rank of the spell or if it's actually the player's or comes from anyone else in combat log range). I've added the additional restriction for them to only show on the current target to avoid being spammed with bars in a bg/open pvp raid.

[Jazzwah 1]

I'm not familiar with the technical side of how that addon(FocusFrame) do what he does, but it emulates retail like focus frame and let you cast spells on your focus target just like you could do from tbc onwards. So basically, my question is..if we could have separate set of timers-one set for primary target (which we already have) and the second for focus target?

[shirsig 18]

3 minutes ago, Jazzwah said:

I'm not familiar with the technical side of how that addon(FocusFrame) do what he does, but it emulates retail like focus frame and let you cast spells on your focus target just like you could do from tbc onwards. So basically, my question is..if we could have separate set of timers-one set for primary target (which we already have) and the second for focus target?

There's no such distinction. The timers appear as you cast a spell and stay no matter what you target. The text on the bar is the name of the target. You may have bars for many different targets.

"let you cast spells on your focus target" what does this mean?

[Jazzwah 1]

1 minute ago, shirsig said:

"let you cast spells on your focus target" what does this mean?

If you have assigned focus target, then with the help of some macros you can cast spells on that target without ever losing your primary target.