I'm OK with weeks of DDOS

[DamirH 3]

1 minute ago, Swineflu said:

No, what I'm saying is that the real problem is gold buying, not selling. And pinning it all on the chinese is moronic. By your logic we should ban all europeans from the server because there's a ton of european gold sellers.

Let me use a different allegory: If I give you a bowl of skittles and tell you that 1% of the skittles are poisonous and will systematically destroy your organism, will you do all in your power to find out which ones are poisonous or will you just throw away the bowl of skittles?

But fine, you claim (still without any proof) that the majority of actual gold sellers are east European...  the Chinese websites are still the mediators. They are the ones that enable those people to have a profit and make the farming worthwhile.

As I discussed above, gold buyers are NOT the real problem, you people are just looking for a witch hunt. Taking the easy way is human nature, you can't punish people for human nature. Going back to the drug dealer comparison, most of humanity agrees that it's the dealers who should be behind bars, not the drug addicts (of course the opposite is true for prostitution, where the consumer is also punished but eh, we humans are good at double standards).

You say that while there are buyers there will be sellers. But you forget that there couldn't have been a first buyer without a first seller. People will always go for convenience, and buying gold is convenient. We simply disagree on who should be punished in this case, the provider, the mediator or the consumer. The fact of the matter is simply that the last one, in my opinion the most blameless party, is being punished the hardest right now.

[DamirH 3]

3 minutes ago, neolitejukebox said:

I though you knew were that expression ( useful idiots ) came from , though you weren't just copypasting it arround :P

So the "lets ban all US since they are the main gold sellers " is also a good way to prevent gold selling for you I guess :)

You can try to reason with it as much as you want, but you have many chinese players logging in just to play.

So now I state " Lets ban all US since they are gold buyers " are you against this ? if you are , you are a "useful idiot"

Are you against banning ALL US , since they are the main gold buyers ?

I see you stating " At the end of the day, the most innocent party here are the gold buyers and they get punished most rigorously. "
So you are "sad" about the "poor" gold buyers .... but you want to ban ALL china !!!

That logic of "then your a useful idiot" doesn't work now does it.

I don't understand how can you be so agressive "lets ban all china and those who don't agree are useful idiots " then go " poor gold buyers , the most innocent !! " ...

So take a stance , are you defending the gold buyers cause you want more gold buyers ? are you also an useful idiot ?
....

See how this can be played on both sides ?

No one has proof of DDoS coming from them , if ppl here that take so much time to talk and point fingers, took time to check how gold sellers operate ( or look at some forums like swineflu pointed out ) maybe they would understand how this is pointless and will mainly hit actual innocent players

BTW for me "innocent players" are the ones the didn't BUY or SELL gold ;) unlike for you and your "poor innocent gold buyers "

(Sorry for the double post, not sure how to edit a quote into a post)

I am not defending gold buyers, I am just stating the fact that it's just human nature and that everyone who fought against that lost (see: any form of DRM or anti-piracy). Even if I were to concede that gold sellers don't come from China, virtually every single mediator I know does. 

All I am arguing is that the farmers and sellers are not being punished at all right now, when in my opinion, the blame lies with them, not the buyers.

 

[neolitejukebox 0]

I do understand your point , but right now they have taken an heavy blow to their credibility.

Now everyone knows that buying gold from them means EVEN MORE that you will probably get banned.

I would like , as much as you, if those guys go bankrupt , but I have meet ( not many ) but 3 chinese players playing in this server , even if the rest of them are stupid gold sellers , those 3 deserve to play vanilla as much as I do.

And I do believe there would be a lot of ppl wrongfully denied access to the server, and it wouldn't be hard to bypass the ban.

I think everyone hates them , most of their gold wasn't even farmed , it was STOLEN from accounts !! :(

But I don't want to conflate gold sellers with chinese.