RE: RE: GM Nightmare complaint

[Junka 0]

Is it not possible to get an answer to my thread? I made my original thread in the Private forum where you could get GM help, on the 21st of December when my problem occurred, since I had gotten one response on the 31th, telling me that my thread will be handed over to the correct staff and then be looked upon. Then on an unknown date my thread got locked without any response, so then I created a new one within the private forum again, asking if it's possible to get my problem resolved and now it seems the entire private help forum is gone.

Below is what my original thread looked like. I still hope to get a response from the GM team.

http://imgur.com/a/izqXR

EDIT: Blanked out character name

Edited January 11, 2017 by Junka

[Erjh8765 19]

Tbh, I think the server is better off without "players" like you. All you are interested in is griefing.
 

[Junka 0]

How is this remotely true? Back before the shutdown of Nostalrius, I was raiding every week, farming materials and pvp'ing, like I still am.

And I cannot understand why you would call it griefing? It is a PvP server, intended for killing the enemy/slowing them down by killing quest givers. People enrolled knowingly on a PvP server and should expect to be have their lvl'ing experience slowed or stopped by people from the opposing faction. In no way that I directly break any rules, I killed the enemy quest giver, to slow down current Alliance players, so that they would not be able to content with the current Horde population.

Lots of other people have done like me and have not received a warning, go check the Nostalrius forums for the troll rogue ''Nile'', he did nothing but kill that escort quest every day, and never got a warning for it.

A day after I ran by sentinel tower and a horde druid was there killing quest givers and I told him I had gotten a warning the day earlier for doing it, and he told he me that he had been doing this before, even camping an NPC for over 4 hours and had never received even a whisper from a GM.

 

[Malinkadink 2]

GMs are on at different times, and people may not always be reporting in mass about a certain player committing acts of griefing. To go to westfall (Alliance Territory) and kill a certain quest NPC to prevent players from advancing is by definition griefing and has nothing to do with PVP because again, you aren't attacking players since its alliance territory and ally players would need to flag themselves manually there. 

Going to a contested zone and killing players and npcs is different because there you have both factions competing against each other and it would be deemed acceptable to slow them down there in order to get ahead yourself or help those of your faction get ahead. Doing the same thing in westfall so the horde over in barrens can get ahead isn't the same thing at all. All you're doing is being a jerk. 

I assume you're talking about the new "fresh" realm, in which case the majority of the population is still leveling, and there are a few tryhards who are way ahead of everyone else. Going to  a lowbie zone of the opposite faction to kill their NPCs would typically result in a response of that faction calling high level players to come defend and then WPVP battles end up happening, but you can't expect that to happen yet on a new realm. 

Should you be banned permanently for your actions? No, but a temporary suspension would be in order. 3 days for a first offence. 

[Junka 0]

Your comment proves that you haven't bothered to read anything but my latest comment. If you were to read the original post, you would be able to see that this happened on the 21st of December, a time when the Fresh server had not been released. You can also tell from my latest comment that it was on a PvP server.

7 minutes ago, Malinkadink said:

Going to a contested zone and killing players and npcs is different because there you have both factions competing against each other and it would be deemed acceptable to slow them down there in order to get ahead yourself or help those of your faction get ahead. Doing the same thing in westfall so the horde over in barrens can get ahead isn't the same thing at all. All you're doing is being a jerk. 

Your response makes no sense at all, you're saying that it's not acceptable to do it in a non-contested zone, because it doesn't help the Horde leveling in the Barrens, except it does, for they do not need to compete with Alliance players once they reach a contested zone, because they have all been stopped at a previous zone.

[Malinkadink 2]

1 minute ago, Junka said:

Your comment proves that you haven't bothered to read anything but my latest comment. If you were to read the original post, you would be able to see that this happened on the 21st of December, a time when the Fresh server had not been released. You can also tell from my latest comment that it was on a PvP server.

Your response makes no sense at all, you're saying that it's not acceptable to do it in a non-contested zone, because it doesn't help the Horde leveling in the Barrens, except it does, for they do not need to compete with Alliance players once they reach a contested zone, because they have all been stopped at a previous zone.

So you want to ruin the game for sub level 20 players entirely by nuking their quest givers just so your factions lowbies can get into 20+ zones and have less resistance if any at all? With that logic you'll have your own faction at level 60 while the opposing one has no 60s, so you can just prey on the weak? Sounds like some really good fun pvp gameplay right there. You're actually ruining the game for your own faction by not allowing similar leveled players to clash in contested zones during the leveling process and having fun. 

Nost PVP is also in a turmoil like state when you consider that there were a lot of level 60 players already in tier 2 before it was shut down, and then 6 months later when it came back there was a lot of interest from new players to pick up the game who wanted to try vanilla. They were then greeted by players like yourself who ruin their fun before they're even supposed to be exposed to any actual PVP. Then you frustrate those players and they stop playing and the population decreases and all you've achieved was creating a poor representation of the community. 

Go to the PVP hotbeds like STV or Tarren Mill/South Shore if you feel like killing NPCs and players alike. Leave the faction owned territories alone unless you are participating in a large scale raid looking to have a counter raid be made to combat you off. 

[Junka 0]

Right, could you go ahead and point me to the exact rule, that says that I should get a warning/ban?

[Malinkadink 2]

13 minutes ago, Junka said:

Right, could you go ahead and point me to the exact rule, that says that I should get a warning/ban?

Section D Griefing

Intentionally killing or disabling important quest NPCs for an extended period of time;

Section B, this one also relates to griefing in a way 

Disrupt any feature of the Game and/or any component thereof in a manner that is deemed negatively on other users, including but not limited to, sending junk mail, repeated unsolicited messages, sending advertisement and/or services for goods or services originating outside the Game.

You are negatively impacting other players by forcing them to stop their progress, and wasting their time repeatedly. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2017 by Malinkadink

[Junka 0]

3 minutes ago, Malinkadink said:

Section D Griefing

Intentionally killing or disabling important quest NPCs for an extended period of time;

What is the extended period of time? Is it 10 minutes like I did? Is it 1 hour? Is it 24 hours? On old Nostalrius it was 24 hours, this rule was put in when the player Ogtucker camped Guard Thomas for over 12 hours. I really refuse to believe that the extended period of time is 10 minutes, as I've mentioned before lots of people have done this far longer than I did.

 

5 minutes ago, Malinkadink said:

 Section B, this one also relates to griefing in a way 

Disrupt any feature of the Game and/or any component thereof in a manner that is deemed negatively on other users, including but not limited to, sending junk mail, repeated unsolicited messages, sending advertisement and/or services for goods or services originating outside the Game.

You are negatively impacting other players by forcing them to stop their progress, and wasting their time repeatedly.

This can be applied to anything within the game: Someone farming all the mobs in an area, NOPE killing a whole Dreamstate pug on Yojamba Isle, you killing people of the opposing faction. All these things negatively impacts other players.

Those rules are so vague, that GMs can ban you just because they feel like it.

[Gehere 8]

2 minutes ago, Junka said:

Those rules are so vague, that GMs can ban you just because they feel like it.

In your case - they felt like it.

Just the fact that you need to try and justify your bizarre playstyle, is reason enough for it to stay.

Sick.

[Junka 0]

27 minutes ago, Gehere said:

Just the fact that you need to try and justify your bizarre playstyle, is reason enough for it to stay.

Feel that you've been wrongly judged

Explain why you feel so

Get called sick

really makes your thoughts rumble around

[Nightmare12 41]

Greetings. 

While we respect all types of play style and taking over towns or killing npcs is somthing that is acceptable on a PVP server.

Directly killing the same NPC over and over again with the intention only on grief a quest escorts it not acceptable. 

Your actions were purely to grief, you killed no other NPCs in the area.

I stand by this action we took and you was warned for it.

Dragging up this topic over and over will not change this outcome.

[Junka 0]

4 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

Your actions were purely to grief, you killed no other NPCs in the area.

You clearly did not observe the situation at all, and only took a direct stance on the matter.

I was killing Gryan Stoutmantle, the elite NPC at Sentinel Tower, he has a 10 minute respawn timer, therefore I was killing the Defias Traitor while waiting for him to respawn.

I even told you this in the /w conversation that we had, yet you still gave me a warning.

Edited January 12, 2017 by Junka
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[Nightmare12 41]

I am not going to turn this into an argument.

You was witnessed by myself and you also admit to killing him 4 times. That's 4 counts of intended griefing.

If these actions were in the name of PVP you would of also killed enemy players.

This warning that was placed on your account has no effect on the way you play. If you follow the rules no further actions are taken.

I will be locking this thread now to prevent this going toxic & to prevent arguments. 

Any further topics will be automatically locked.

If you wish to speak with me directly about this please open a ticket in game asking to speak to me. 

 

[Guest]

Hi there,

Just to chime in here - I replied to your previous post and told you it would be reviewed. It has been reviewed, and is now closed.

Please keep in mind that GM's have discretion in every interpretation of the TOU. If a GM feels your actions are griefing, they are within their rights to issue a sanction on your account. You can appeal it by the process that you have done, and it will be reviewed.

GM Ajinn