Dreary 2 Report post Posted January 19, 2017 Patch 1.9 AQ Pre-Raid BiS (Anathema) Helm: Insightful Hood - Cho'rush the Observer, DM N Neck: Animated Chain Necklace - Ramstein, Strat UD Shoulder: Dawnbringer Shoulders - Crafted, BS Cloak: Hide of the Wild - Crafted, LW Chest: Robes of the Exalted - Baron Rivendare, Strat UD Bracer: Gallant's Wristguards - Guard Fengus / Mol'dar / Slip'kik, DM N Gloves: Harmonious Gauntlets - King Gordok, DM N Belt: Corehound Belt - Crafted, LW Legs: Padre's Trousers - Illyana Ravenoak, DM W Boots: Boots of the Full Moon - Captain Kromcrush, DM N Ring1: Band of Rumination - Warchief Rend Blackhand, UBRS Ring2: Fordring's Seal - Quest, Strat Live Trinket1: Mindtap Talisman - Magister Kalendris, DM W Trinket2: Briarwood Reed* - Jed Runewatcher, UBRS Main Hand: Hammer of Grace - The Seven Dwarves, BRD Off Hand: Lei of the Lifegiver - Alterac Valley Exalted * = a second Mindtap Talisman might be preferable since your crit rate will be obnoxiously low. Patch 1.9 AQ BiS (Anathema) Helm: Don Rigoberto's Lost Hat - Ouro, AQ40 Neck: Amulet of the Fallen God - C'Thun, AQ40 Shoulder: Wild Growth Spaulders - Majordomo Executus, MC Cloak: Cloak of Clarity - C'Thun, AQ40 Chest: Robes of the Guardian Saint - Fankriss, AQ40 Bracer: Bracelets of Royal Redemption - Twin Emperors, AQ40 Gloves: Peacekeeper Gauntlets - Hakkar, ZG Belt: Grasp of the Old God - C'Thun, AQ40 Legs: Empowered Leggings - Chromaggus, BWL Boots: Boots of Pure Thought - BWL Trash Ring1: Pure Elementium Band - Nefarian, BWL Ring2: Cauterizing Band - Majordomo Executus, MC Trinket1: Rejuvenating Gem - Firemaw / Ebonroc / Flamegor, BWL Trinket2: Scrolls of Blinding Light* - Firemaw, BWL Main Hand: Scepter of the False Prophet - C'Thun, AQ40 Off Hand: Sartura's Might - Battleguard Sartura Libram: Libram of Divinity - Scholomance Mini Bosses * = Zandalarian Hero Charm is a very strong alternative, and is preferred depending on the fight and raid composition. Patch 1.5 AV Pre-Raid BiS (Darrowshire) Helm: Insightful Hood - Cho'rush the Observer, DM N Neck: Animated Chain Necklace - Ramstein, Strat UD Shoulder: Dawnbringer Shoulders - Crafted, BS Cloak: Hide of the Wild - Crafted, LW Chest: Robes of the Exalted - Baron Rivendare, Strat UD Bracer: Gallant's Wristguards - Guard Fengus / Mol'dar / Slip'kik, DM N Gloves: Harmonious Gauntlets - King Gordok, DM N Belt: Corehound Belt - Crafted, LW Legs: Padre's Trousers - Illyana Ravenoak, DM W Boots: Boots of the Full Moon - Captain Kromcrush, DM N Ring1: Band of Rumination - Warchief Rend Blackhand, UBRS Ring2: Fordring's Seal - Quest, Strat Live Trinket1: Mindtap Talisman - Magister Kalendris, DM W Trinket2: Briarwood Reed* - Jed Runewatcher, UBRS Main Hand: Hammer of Grace - The Seven Dwarves, BRD Off Hand: Lei of the Lifegiver - Alterac Valley Exalted * = a second Mindtap Talisman might be preferable since your crit rate will be obnoxiously low. Patch 1.5 AV BiS (Darrowshire) Helm: Helm of the Lifegiver - Lucifron / Gehennas / Shazzrah / Sulfuron Harbinger, MC Neck: Choker of the Fire Lord - Ragnaros, MC Shoulder: Wild Growth Spaulders - Majordomo Executus, MC Cloak: Hide of the Wild - Crafted, LW Chest: Robes of Volatile Power - Lucifron / Gehennas / Shazzrah / Sulfuron Harbinger, MC Bracer: Gallant's Wristguards - Guard Fengus / Mol'dar / Slip'kik, DM N Gloves: Harmonious Gauntlets - King Gordok, DM N Belt: Sash of Mercy - World BoE Legs: Padre's Trousers - Illyana Ravenoak, DM W Boots: Boots of the Full Moon - Captain Kromcrush, DM N Ring1: Cauterizing Band - Majordomo Executus, MC Ring2: Cauterizing Band - Majordomo Executus, MC Trinket1: Shard of the Scale - Onyxia, Onyxia's Lair Trinket2: Briarwood Reed - Jed Runewatcher, UBRS Main Hand: Azuresong Mageblade - Golemagg, MC Off Hand: Lei of the Lifegiver - AV Exalted Patch 1.2 MC/Ony BiS (Elysium/Zeth'Kur) To be updated 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zunnie 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2017 You are off on so many things I dont even know where to start. Not all items listed are in game, and items like robe of volatile power is never bis.. and dont link me to that stat guide which says 1critt = XX healing, its wrong. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zunnie 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2017 Shard of the scale? You dont use that item prior to some fights in BWL. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCarrill0 17 Report post Posted January 21, 2017 On 1/20/2017 at 4:37 AM, Zunnie said: You are off on so many things I dont even know where to start. Not all items listed are in game, and items like robe of volatile power is never bis.. and dont link me to that stat guide which says 1critt = XX healing, its wrong. hmm, that's the 2% crit robe is it not, I know plenty pf paladin healer who DUMP DKP for the crit robes. you also don't have to agree with the guide listed. feel free to list your own, but after much debate on the old Nost forums, the dude know his stuff. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zunnie 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2017 @JCarrill0 I work in statistics... trust me its shit, also the rest of the critique about stuff not being in the game is still accurate.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCarrill0 17 Report post Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Zunnie said: @JCarrill0 I work in statistics... trust me its shit, also the rest of the critique about stuff not being in the game is still accurate.... again, I mentioned to write your own guide if you disagree, but in the meantime this is the guide people can use if they so choose to do so. there is no real point to say something is crap, until you have your own guide to compete with it. "Don't come up with problems, come up with solutions" - ??? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zunnie 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2017 I have to deal with ppl form other guilds wanting to join thinking they are BiS, but they are not because they read shit guids like this! I have no problem with ppl making guides, but atleast make it good! No guide is better then a wrong guide. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCarrill0 17 Report post Posted January 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Zunnie said: I have to deal with ppl form other guilds wanting to join thinking they are BiS, but they are not because they read shit guids like this! I have no problem with ppl making guides, but atleast make it good! No guide is better then a wrong guide. again, this goes back to my original point in my first reply: Make your own guide if you disagree. I'm not going to continue and debate a pointless article especially when its off topic. I repeated myself 3 times, if you cant understand or refuse to acknowledge to use constructive and useful criticism instead of bashing another community member who is taking their time to help others, I can't help you. To that end, I sincerely hope you can work on this and be less toxic, and become more helpful. If you need to have the last word, so be it, however I will no longer discuss this with you. (it seems to be going nowhere.) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreary 2 Report post Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) @Zunnie you're wrong fite me Edited January 22, 2017 by Dreary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luxon 5 Report post Posted January 23, 2017 Darrowshire patch What is your reasoning behind picking Robes of Volatile Power, Shard of the Scale, Mindtap Talisman ? Dumping pre raid bis Corehound Belt for Sash of Mercy, wtf ? Not to even mention corehound is not in the game Animated Chain Necklace not ingame for anyone reading this, though it should be as far as i know. Whats the reasoning picking Band of Rumination over Songstone of Ironforge? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HappyPotato 1 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 Hey, great job! Also what about Patch 1.2 MC/Ony BiS (Elysium/Zeth'Kur)? We really need this information! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreary 2 Report post Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Fixed a couple of non-existant items on Darrowshire's list. @Luxonn Robe of Volatile Power is incredibly powerful since crit is king, especially early on when your options are extremely limited. Shard of the Scale and Mindtap Talisman are chosen largely due to the lack of available alternatives. Of course you still want a non-regen 2nd trinket for fights that you don't need the regen. The Dire Maul class trinket is hot garbage but it's the next best thing. MP5 is valuable early on when your crit levels are shit, so Shard of the Scale and Mindtap Talisman are quite strong. However, by the time you start picking up BWL pieces, you want to start dropping your MP5 pieces for pieces with more crit and int. As for Band of Rumination, it's the same situation. 1% crit 5 MP5 is going to be stronger than 18 heal 7 int in pretty much every situation. Again, if you don't need the regen, the 18 heal is better, but at this gear level, you're going to need the regen. @HappyPotato The Elysium/Zeth'Kur list will be updated when I have time, hopefully soon. It shouldn't be too difficult of a list to make anyways. Edited February 8, 2017 by Dreary 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xethra 6 Report post Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 1.2 Pre-raid BIS(Elysium/Zeth'Kur) Head: 1. Tribal War Feathers [UBRS - Gyth](this item should not be the updated stats, but it is...). 2. Whitesoul Helm [Crafted]Neck: 1. Tooth of Gnarr [UBRS - General Drakkisath]Shoulders: 1. Dawnbringer Shoulders(if pattern has dropped) [Crafted] 2. Living Shoulders [Crafted]Cloak: 1. Archivist Cape of Intellect [Live Stratholme - Archivist Galford] 2. Royal Tribunal Cloak [UD Stratholme - Magistrate Barthilias]Chest: 1. Robes of the Exalted [UD Stratholme - Baron Rivendare]Bracer: 1. Loomguard Armbracers [Scholomance - Kirtonos the Herald]Gloves: 1. Hands of the Exalted Herald [BRD - Princess Moira Bronzebeard]Belt: 1. Sash of Mercy [World Epic BOE] 2. Ghostweave Belt [Crafted] 3. Clutch of Andros [Scholomance - Kirtonos the Herald]Legs: 1. Skyshroud Leggings [LBRS - Highlord Omokk]Boots: 1. Verdant Footpads [UD Strathole - Stonespine(Rare)] 2. Omnicast Boots [BRD - Golem Lord Argelmach]Rings 1. Fordring's Seal [Quest - In Dreams] 2. Songstone of Ironforge [Quest - The Princess's Surprise] 3. Seal of Rivendare [UD Stratholme - Baron Rivendare]Trinket 1. Briarwood Reed [UBRS - Jed Runewatcher(Rare)] 2. Second Wind [BRD - Golem Lord Argelmach]Weapon 1. Hammer of Grace [BRD - Summoner's Tomb aka 7 Dwarves]Off-Hand 1. Spirit of Aquamentus [Quest - It's Dangerous to Go Alone] 1.2 BIS(Elysium/Zeth'Kur) Head: 1. Judgement Crown [Onyxia]Neck: 1. Choker of Enlightenment [Molten Core - Lucifron]Shoulders: 1. Dawnbringer Shoulders(if pattern has dropped) [Crafted]Cloak: 1. Archivist Cape of Intellect [Live Stratholme - Archivist Galford] 2. Royal Tribunal Cloak [UD Stratholme - Magistrate Barthilias]Chest: 1. Robes of the Exalted [UD Stratholme - Baron Rivendare]Bracer: 1. Loomguard Armbracers [Scholomance - Kirtonos the Herald]Gloves: 1. Hands of the Exalted Herald [BRD - Princess Moira Bronzebeard]Belt: 1. Sash of Mercy [World Epic BOE] 2. Lawbringer Belt [Molten Core - BOE]Legs: 1. Judgement Legplates [Molten Core - Ragnaros]Boots: 1. Verdant Footpads [UD Strathole - Stonespine(Rare)] 2. Omnicast Boots [BRD - Golem Lord Argelmach]Rings 1. Fordring's Seal [Quest - In Dreams] 2. Songstone of Ironforge [Quest - The Princess's Surprise] 3. Seal of Rivendare [UD Stratholme - Baron Rivendare]Trinket 1. Briarwood Reed [UBRS - Jed Runewatcher(Rare)] 2. Second Wind [BRD - Golem Lord Argelmach] Depends on Fight: Shard of the Scale [Onyxia]Weapon 1. Hammer of Grace [BRD - Summoner's Tomb aka 7 Dwarves]Off-Hand 1. Spirit of Aquamentus [Quest - It's Dangerous to Go Alone] Edited February 26, 2017 by Xethra 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunders 4 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 Legs: 1. Judgement Legplates [Molten Core - Ragnaros] LOL bis Ghostweave Pants(craft) and Skyshroud Leggings(lbrs first boss) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCarrill0 17 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sunders said: Legs: 1. Judgement Legplates [Molten Core - Ragnaros] LOL bis Ghostweave Pants(craft) and Skyshroud Leggings(lbrs first boss) What are the pre1.9 stats for judgement legs? Cuz if memory servers they are stacked with healing before the stat update, so the t2 might be bis. im not sure but if your quoting them based on post 1.9 when they are more spell power stats then yeah, they are far from bis for healing. Edit: Ghostweave Pants(craft) is int and 8 mp5, while Skyshroud Leggings(lbrs first boss) is 8 int, 34 healing. tot his end, the stats on t2 legs for that content is 11 int, and 35 healing (plus more stats), making t2 legs the better of the 3 listed.. sunders, You owe someone an apology. Edited March 25, 2017 by JCarrill0 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muldreg 3 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 Currently Tooth of Gnarr is 15 int/10 spirit on Elysium. Would having Tempest Talisman from DM:E be a better necklace? I know spell crit is good for us, but im not sure if its worth using over a higher int/spirit piece. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcer 8 Report post Posted April 6, 2017 Tempest is pre-raid bis for elysium 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
