Storslamm - Alliance ELysium Abusing Mind Control

[Divine88 0]

See attached. Storslamm from Alliance abusing MC mechanics and running the person MCed out of the BG to incur a CD. Please ban.

[Kallemera 0]

It is not bannable. You are allowed to do this.

[Divine88 0]

It's an exploit and abusing the CD of a battleground and considered griefing. Where does it say its legal?

 

[Kallemera 0]

How is this an exploit? It was never considered an exploit in retail. If you don't want to get mcd out don't die. Or if you insist on dying don't stand next to the portal.

[Divine88 0]

Why is MC on Zep considered griefing then? Whats the difference? One you have to get a warlock to summon you (Not hard), the other you're disqualified from BG temporarily. It's an exploit because it's abusing a battleground CD that was supposed to be intended for people "quitting" and not someone mind controlling them out. My instance of BG was a literally joined an already started BG vs a premade. Logged in the BG, moved forward 5 feet, MCed and  pulled out. It was okay on retail because lots of shit was okay and unattended to on retail and there is probably multiple rulings on this and most likely patched later because it was a mistake. Just because they didn't rule on it in classic doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. Serving a penalty for an MC cap is abuse.

[Lorilay 12]

Stop stating your opinion as if it's fact.

[Divine88 0]

Stop replying with adding nothing to the conversation. Go shit up someone elses thread.

[Divine88 0]

Also, it is a fact the BG penalty was intended for people quitting, if you think otherwise.....I dont really know what to tell you.

[Lorilay 12]

My point is that it's entirely your opinion that you think MCing someone out of a BG portal is abuse. I disagree, so what makes your opinion more valid than mine? There's nothing in the server rules forbidding it.

[Divine88 0]

There is no ruling on it. You saying there is nothing in the rules forbidding it isn't true. The rules clearly state do not abuse mechanics. If you are abusing a penalty mechanic for quitting as a tactic for "griefing" on an already won premade, it contradicts the ToS. If you don't believe that, then obviously your not someone I give a shit to be talking to. Shit up someone elses thread.

[Lorilay 12]

2 minutes ago, Divine88 said:

There is no ruling on it. You saying there is nothing in the rules forbidding it isn't true. The rules clearly state do not abuse mechanics. If you are abusing a penalty mechanic for quitting as a tactic for "griefing" on an already won premade, it contradicts the ToS. If you don't believe that, then obviously your not someone I give a shit to be talking to. Shit up someone elses thread.

Since you clearly didn't bother to read the server rules, here's a helpful link: https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/

 

I'll wait for you to quote what you think mind controlling people out of the instances is violating.

[Divine88 0]

However, behaviour that is considered to be contrary to the essence of the Game will be considered a violation of this agreement.

[Divine88 0]

I guess abusing a penalty for a BG for people quitting doesn't go against the Essense of the Game of that mechanic being created for quitting.

[Divine88 0]

uch behaviour is considered griefing which includes, but is not limited to, the following:

 

 

I know reading comprehension is hard.

[Lorilay 12]

You've been able to mind control people out of BGs since BGs were first implemented on retail. It's clearly part of the essence of the game and you're just acting like a crybaby because you wound up on the wrong side of it.

[Divine88 0]

Lol, it's not like I don't have the capability to level up engineering. I still think it's a terrible mechanic. I'm just asking for a ruling. I could say the same thing about you. It sounds like your just a crybaby because you use the mechanic or have friends who use it and you think it's game breaking for your min/maxing. And really? Find me a few articles about people MCing people out of BG's and that it was GM sanctioned? Let me guess you can't and just recycling what other people say.

[Divine88 0]

There was a reason it was nerfed to this :

Today, this thing has been nerfed to death.

- It cannot be used in combat
- It cannot be used on a target in combat
- It lasts only 8 seconds against other players (it used to last up to 30 before BC)
- You no longer get a pet action bar while controlling players, so you cannot do anything with them except have them follow you.

All in all it is now a completely useless item now.

 

1.12 They were just overwelmed and didn't have time to sort all the bugs that weren't game breaking. I will tell you this, they didn't intend on people using it to walk people out of BG's and all the other shit it was used for. That's why it was nerfed and that's why people love it here. They want something that makes up for skill and was considered OP back in vanilla. I don't care about dropping someone off a cliff, portal to SW or ORG - none of those serve a penalty that was intended for something else.

[Lorilay 12]

20 minutes ago, Divine88 said:

before BC

This is a vanilla server, which serves to recreate the vanilla experience. I'm happy to see that includes the forum posts from 2006 crying about pvp.

[Divine88 0]

Glad to see you still have reading comprehension problems and you still can't grasp the general concept of using a mechanic of quitting to serve as griefing. I'm still waiting on that article...

Edited April 3, 2017 by Divine88

[Lorilay 12]

I have nothing to prove. You're talking about a mechanic that was used in vanilla, and doesn't abuse any in-game mechanics (you could even mind control people through mage portals at various times on retail). The sole reason for this thread is that you got owned in pvp and chose to come cry about it on the forums, and now you're getting salty that nobody agrees with your sad little rant.

[Divine88 0]

I thought so. You came to this thread bitching about your opinion. Came here with baseless claims about it was used in vanilla and was officially never ruled as an exploit. You've made 0 connections about abusing the BG leave penalty. As I already said but have to obviously repeat for your dense ass is mage portals don't incur the BG penalty so wouldn't necessarily fall under abuse.  I got owned in PvP by an MC helmet? What ever shall I do? Good choice since you can't find anything concrete to support anything your saying. You prove my point further. Good luck trying to find some other threads to shit up, you seem to have alot of time on your hands....too bad you can't use it to something more productive like finding those articles.

[Lorilay 12]

You're crying about a mechanic that was done on retail and every private server to date (including Nostalrius and all 4 Elysium servers), and no one has ever been warned not to do it by the staff of any server. If you're expecting them to make your complaints into a special case, I have some bad news for you: you're not a special snowflake and this thread isn't going anywhere. Sorry for the harsh news, kiddo.

[Divine88 0]

I'm glad you speak for the GM's. How's that Dunning-Kreuger working out for you? It's okay, I know you'll have to look that up. You seem too invested.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Divine88

[Divine88 0]

Once again, I'll wait for you to pull up some concrete evidence that every server has ruled this not an exploit.

 

 

Also just wanted to point out for your slow learning ass is that just because a rule isn't listed, doesn't mean they haven't punished for it. See basically all rulings in the past.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Divine88

[Lorilay 12]

I've done this repeatedly on many servers, including retail, and got nothing more than crybaby whispers and posts like these. You're the one claiming it's against the rules, but you have failed to show any example of it ever being against the rules. Go read the section on griefing and exploiting in the server rules, and you'll start to realize that hurting your feelings or being a jerk isn't against the rules.

Mind controlling people out of BG portals doesn't abuse any bugs or use anything but the intended effects of a commonly used spell.

Finally, these forums aren't for reporting players. If you need to report a player's actions, you should use the in-game ticket system, as GMs won't respond to your reports on here (except to tell you to submit a ticket in-game).

Edited April 3, 2017 by Lorilay