Horde AV Backdoor

[Volvano 0]

As a Horde player trying to find my way back to World of Warcraft, I am a little disappointed. I did not realize an old Blizzard error was allowed into the game. When I initially started up on Elysium, I really wanted to experience Alterac Valley in it's prime. When there was a constant battle between the Horde and the Alliance. Sure, it was rough being Horde in Alterac. I probably lost more matches than I had ever won, but it was the intensity of the battleground that made it feel alive. The constant push and pull. From defending Drek'Thar in the keep, and being able to push all the way to Dun Baldar's bridge, just to be slaughtered by champion archers. Whether we won at that moment, or wiped on the bridge, it felt like a real, "Battleground." 

I hit 60 expecting to reenact the battle that required you to gather resources. The time where calling a ground assault or cavalry assault made a huge difference in the tide of battle. I remember being proud to be apart of the Horde as I rode alongside the cavalry, decimating any alliance that stood in our way. Calling aerial assaults made the all out war feel realistic, even though they were somewhat useless.

I understand that Elysium wishes to be considered, "Blizzard like," however I am disheartened that they did not take into account of the positive changes Blizzard implemented that made Alterac Valley what it was known for. I am aware of the comments that attempt to justify this backdoor giving Horde a fair chance at winning. Alliance did in fact have an advantage, but it does not create a sound argument to explain the bypassing of content. Alterac Valley was intended to be this struggle of push and pull, but thanks to the backdoor, my fellow Horde abuse this tactic, rather than our old proper rush of, "Let the tanks lead our rush across the bridge." In Elysium's current version of Alterac, if the raid fails the backdoor, then most players leave, or not using the backdoor to experience the battleground correctly is never considered to begin with.

I want to play an Alterac that fulfills these old ways. I am not sure Elysium will eventually make these changes, but I pray they will sometime in the future. I recognize this backdoor was once apart of the original game, but I can confidently say that people did not create their epic memories of Alterac during the time of this backdoor, but created these memories during the time that came after it's removal. To the Horde, the Alliance, and lovers of World of Warcraft, I hope one day we will be able to clash in the memorable battles of Alterac Valley. Even though it took hours :)

[ismeckye 7]

Did you know how 90% of the games were played on old Nostalrius where backdoor was less used? Horde just rolled over and let the alliance win because in a match between two equally skilled teams, horde couldnt win, if they didnt turtle in a 2hour win. But turtling isnt economic. So your best bet currently is to find likeminded people and open up a premade for the sole purpose of turtling and summoning call ins etc. Otherwise it will be rare to see the fullfledged battle from retail vanilla. Peoples knowledge and expectation has just shifted.

[staplerx300 1]

Agreed. I'm not sure exactly what people mean by the alliance having an advantage, all I know is that back in the day Alterac Valley was fucking epic,the culmination of everything I loved about the game.

 

I finally got to experience AV for the first time in a decade and both factions completely skip over 99% of the battle, ignore each other, and use a wall jump thing to bypass it all? Game ended in like 5 minutes.

I'm not sure how you can fix it but it really felt depressing, such a let down that I won't even bother playing AV now.

[staplerx300 1]

Also yeah I'm Horde if it wasn't clear.

[Stormfront 0]

1 hour ago, staplerx300 said:

Agreed. I'm not sure exactly what people mean by the alliance having an advantage, all I know is that back in the day Alterac Valley was fucking epic,the culmination of everything I loved about the game.

 

I finally got to experience AV for the first time in a decade and both factions completely skip over 99% of the battle, ignore each other, and use a wall jump thing to bypass it all? Game ended in like 5 minutes.

I'm not sure how you can fix it but it really felt depressing, such a let down that I won't even bother playing AV now.

Not really something you can "fix". It's Blizzard's oversight really, in making an asymmetrical map design.

[hugo790 0]

I agree, its very dull to to try and defend aswell when 40people are walljumping. Honestly, fixing the wall making it slippy would be the best idea

[staplerx300 1]

6 hours ago, Stormfront said:

Not really something you can "fix". It's Blizzard's oversight really, in making an asymmetrical map design.

What do you mean by asymmetrical?

[flowqz 34]

17 minutes ago, staplerx300 said:

What do you mean by asymmetrical?

watch ab and wsg maps and compare it to av.

[ismeckye 7]

2 hours ago, staplerx300 said:

What do you mean by asymmetrical?

Asymmetrical in: you need only a handful of people to stall entire horde offense. I mean where did your hourlong games mostly stalled? In chokepoints. Where is the worst chokepoint of the entire map? Not in the horde base. Its the bridge infront of the alliance base.

You can see the OP seems to be a newcomer to pservers. Others have done the AV grind 5 times already and cant be bothered with long dragged out games when they have another approach to the game today. Many players were in their teens or early 20 when the game was new. Now they are grownups and dont have quite the same time to invest. But AV rewards are just REALLY good, therefore people want to get them,

I repeat, get a bunch of likeminded people who are in solely for the purpose of doing PvP and go in with that mindset.

Else you will get alot of rep/ore/node farmers who all have the same right to their approach of the BG as you have.

[piastoax 0]

I can force an Alliance turtle out of their keep and reverse bridge stomp them in 45 minutes.