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Keftenk

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  1. Keftenk

    Spell Penetration Sources

    With Elitist Jerks nuked to the point where even Wayback Machine can't save it. No one would happen to have the Spell Pen data that the forum had which was allegedly correct, would they?
  2. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Mob chaining like that your Innervate is for you and you should be using Wrath on the squishier targets versus Starfire. And with the off chance you do run out of mana, which should be due to unfortunate circumstances you switch to Starfire R1.
  3. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    I don't know why mana ineffiiciency is still being brought up. This is a vanilla myth and always has been. If you're having mana issues then something during the fight went wrong, you aren't using correct consumables, you aren't using correct gear, or your raid sucks. There are exceptions to this, sure. Nefarion for instance drains you because your Innervate goes to the Shadow Priest. Naxxramas will probably be the same. Otherwise sticking within or close to the 70-sec theory will make everything just fine.
  4. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Oh, I'm fairly sure it'd be crazy as hell. 1 Shadow Priest, 14 Warlocks, 8-10 Paladins, then the rest can be the tank and melee composition haha.
  5. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    I've always joked about just taking 1 Shadow Priest and 14 Warlocks.
  6. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Not quite. It's very possible it's different with Fire Mages as well as it scaling better with different gear, but here were findings from BWL: Frost Mage: ~13.88DPS Warlock: ~18.75DPS I believe I did detail these findings in the massive stat weight thread I dumped my research into.
  7. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    And that's the thing. Shorter fights is where Moonkin (with Starfire) excel and can actually compete. I never had BiS list in 1.8 on Nostalrius, but even in blues I was pulling 600+ on BWL bosses. Where as when I was testing AQ40 and Naxx on the PTR, I had a test run of ~1060dps from what I remember. This is why I developed the 70-second theory to prioritize gear around. Most fights, even including AQ are within that range or just slightly over. I do understand Naxx complicates things since Naxx fights are inherently designed to be longer, but the basics can at least be established from that research.
  8. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    480 means he's geared incorrectly, not using correct consumables, or his guild sucks. It's possible all three are the cause. I was pulling 600+ dps in pre-raid gear in BWL lol.
  9. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Your goal shouldn't be to take advantage of the Crit talent since Moonkin doesn't have native Hit talents. Even 0% hit will utilize the Crit talent. Build for the fight is what I did and it worked just fine.
  10. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Still doesn't make sense. It's a wild waste of the spell crit aura. What Paladin goes OOM in 2017? What class goes OOM in 2017? Moonkin for Mage group during trash pulls; Moonkin in Warlock (Fire Mage) group for single target kills.
  11. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Why ever Paladin? Best group configuration is most likely 4 Fire Mages + Moonkin. Before Fire Mage, it's 4 Warlocks + Moonkin.
  12. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Also, do note that the effective cast-time of Wrath cannot drop below 1.5 seconds due to the global cool down being 1.5 seconds in vanilla.
  13. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Does it even need to be discussed? I think it's crazy to think anyone would be willing to lose out on Curse of Shadows damage just for 2-3 Wraths per Starfire. I mean. Essentially 2 Wraths will equal one cast of Starfire. Not to mention you have to gear Hit% heavy to cut down the chances of resists on your Wraths, which is then causing Starfire to due less damage compared to a DPS setup. Maybe there is a good hybrid set out there that bridges that gap between Wrath and Starfire, but you're still doing 10% less damage per 2-3 Wrath cast. I'm not saying Wrath isn't possible, but I honestly think it's either pure Wrath or pure Starfire. Not a hybrid.
  14. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Sorry, I meant 70NR. All other elements are 145. There are exceptions to these resistance rules such as Ragnaros or other monsters that have immunities.
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    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Is Wrath a solution? It's possible, but I have very little data on it. Before Nostalrius kicked the bucket I had just begun working on Wrath. When I was apart of the QA team, AQ and Naxx weren't gated, so when I had spare time I developed the rest of Moonkin vs spawned dummies and gear which wasn't obtainable on live. Here's is what I did find out about Wrath. Wrath is a mana hog, but it's amazing on trash. Nearly every monster in vanilla has a 75NR, which is lower than all the other resistances. Thunderfury obviously cuts this which helps. The problem is there is no natural dmg% increase to Nature outside of Darkmoon Faire, Stormstrike (only 2 charges), and Nightfall. So it comes up tremendously short :( You could try doing a Wrath > Starfire rotation, but honestly you're going to hurt yourself more than help. Either Wrath or Starfire won't receive the full benefits of your gear because they are two very different spells and/or it would probably be more beneficial to just spam Wrath until OOM versus trying to alternate.
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    Why is balance druid so worse?

    I will say that Naxxramas is a toss up though. A lot of the fights are longer by design, but your DPS upkeep also isn't 100% with the exception of Patchwerk. I never really got to test against Naxxramas because they gated it on the PTR HAHA... The research after that is speculative and I've mentioned that the research for AQ is speculative as well, but more than half of AQ was tested with various gear combinations. The only thing left out was Wrath, which I came to the conclusion would require you to be geared completely differently.
  17. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    You shouldn't need mana, period. The only "endurance" fights right now is Nefarion and C'Thun. Naxxramas may be a different issue, but your gear should be scaling. As I mentioned prior. If you're having mana issues then either something happened during the fight, you aren't correctly gear/enchanted, you aren't using the correct consumables, or your raid group is poor. Anyways, for Starfire SP > Crit. It's hard to weight the stat. I'd suggest looking back at the thread where we did try and weight the stat. There is a point where SP and Crit needs to balance out to receive the optimal amount of DPS return, however just remember that Starfire receives 100% of your SP. Maybe this will help you out better. Choker of the Firelord is 34sp and it will produce a higher DPS return than Pristine Enchanted South Seas Kelp which is +2% to Starfire. Naxxramas you should be seeing a little over 40% crit on Starfire with over +900sp.
  18. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    You can check around in this forum for research like that. At one point we tried determining values for stat points like that. However, it was overall inconclusive as it changes wildly depending on duration of fight. Also, it's completely different for Wrath vs Starfire. Hit > Spelldmg > Crit > Int > M5 > Spi is the optimal stat progression for Starfire. No more than 11% hit, but if anything is alive after 70 seconds then you'll want more hit. To quell any suspicions around exactly how much SP:Crit. You don't have to worry about any of that until Naxxramas comes out where you'll be wanting to use Brimstone Staff, Gem of Trapped Innocents, and Leggings of Polarity. And Spell Pen. is useless.
  19. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Rule of thumb: If you're running out of mana either something happened during the fight, you aren't using correct consumables, or you need to find better players to play with. This is 2017. Nearly every fight in vanilla isn't long opposed to what they were like in the real days of vanilla. These mana issues are nothing but a myth otherwise.
  20. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Using the 3% spell crit on ANY healing class is a loss of DPS that you're effectively contributing to the raid.
  21. >tfw he uses Kronos as a credible source of data when ultimately catering to Crestfall. Lelelelel Otherwise, good info.
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    Enchants and usable items

    Engineering is definitely the best profession for any class that plans on raiding. Everything else is for making cash (outside of Blacksmithing for PvP) or using something like tailoring for set bonuses.
  23. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Moonkin DPS will not top Fire Mage nor Warlock. Believe me. It can compete though.
  24. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Here's my advice to anyone wanting to make Moonkin work on a competitive level. * Apply to a top-tier guild like Coalition. * Get accepted. * Befriend a Priest for PW:S. * Be good. KEK
  25. Keftenk

    Why is balance druid so worse?

    Read up and you'll get the point. Maybe I should have quoted in my last post.
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