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So being responsible for the hardware doesn't make you the owner? Regardless of what title you're keen on labeling him with he's still basically the head of the project. Also, don't forget that an investigation was done. It turned out that the logs that would confirm Vitaliy's guilt or innocence had been wiped. Shenna also claims Vitaliy knows Chinese as to defend his presence in the RMT channel. Yet he communicated in English.

For example Blizzard won a lawsuit against a WoW emulator project in the U.S in 2010. Blizzard has also won a lawsuit against a WoW bot maker project in Germany in 2017 and a Hearthstone clone by a Chinese company in 2014. Then there are projects such as Nostalrius that shut down after receiving cease and desist letters. Elysium is a very big project. It's size probably surpasses that of Scapegaming. Scapegaming managed to pile up $3 million in a PayPal account. Therefore I think it's logical to request transparency regarding donations. Especially when we're being told they barely get enough donations to keep the servers online. There's plenty of more legitimate reasons to ask for evidence on how donated money is handled. Such as the case with Vitaliy, the owner of the project, who was caught in an RMT channel full with Chinese users where he offered to unban for money.

I really enjoy playing on your servers but I can't accept this as transparency when it comes to donated money. For transparency to happen we'd need a review of donated money into the PayPal account. I'm sure it could be done by uploading a video where you scroll through the PayPal account's deposits and withdrawals along with dates and balance status. Some blur effect in Sony Vegas is an easy task to inject as to remove sensitive information. Sure, it might sound meticulous at first glance. However, like I've explained in other threads, it's mindboggling that you barely raise enough money for server upkeep when another project of your size managed to pile up $3 million in a PayPal account. The project is illegal after all, thus total transparency when it comes to money should be a given. Epecially if you're trying to convince Blizzard of your dreams about official legacy servers by them.

Why didn't you lower the required materials needed as the vast majority wanted? Why do you deem a custom event to be a better alternative?

Yes, If they stand by their initial logic they should raise the materials needed by a considerable amount. They could add a humorous line along the update of increased materials just like the first time. I'm sure it'll hit a home run.

I know you think you're amazing by taking the role as an oppressor. If you're so smart as you want yourself to be perceived then you should realize he has a perfectly good point. Elysium has been incredibly naive in not guarding itself against potential chargebacks. You should have a budget which doesn't just merely pay for all the given expenses, but also for unexpected expenses.

That was what I was referring to when Whitekidney showed doubt about kicking the hacker they hired. If the database dumps are sold by Auya or are leaked by him, for example in frustration over him being kicked, then a lot of accounts are at risk.

Could someone link to a site stating what the material requirements were on the original Blizzard servers?

With an argument as lame as "All open source projects started somewhere" I doubt you're convincing anybody. When it comes to experience Elysium took some serious damage even before the leak. Now there's hacker at Elysium headquarters supposedly running around with database dumps and they won't even talk to us about it. You're propagating for blind faith just like Shenna did for Vitaliy.

I perfectly understand people that just want to play the game in peace without having to hear constant ranting about corruption and so on as it's demoralizing. However, what has taken part lately concerns even those who aren't donating to the project. It concerns those who take for granted they're playing on servers with a competent and reliable staff. It ultimately concerns those who care about their own safety. So what I mean by this is that if their own staff could leak the project's core then the corruption can extend to the point where someone leaks the database. It's been revealed that Auya, the hacker they deemed trustworthy and hired, supposedly has database dumps as claimed by Whitekidney in a chat conversation with Moggraa. What's even more alarming is that the Elysium staff hasn't even addressed it. But then again they've already made it perfectly clear with Shenna's insane announcement that they'll ignore any criticism. They're deleting posts that reveal too much uncomfortable information.

The first video was original, hilarious and felt more thought out. This one was repetitive, a bit messy and a little too silly for my taste. The Mark Kern part was kind of funny though!

I'm still playing but I'm not expecting anything from the staff as my trust to them has shrinked drastically. I question their shady activity and I think anyone should be able to do that without having to stop enjoying the game.

I'd be skeptical too. Just consider the amount of corruption within and surrounding the project. Then add to that all the developers that have abandoned, some in pure distrust.

Will you address the claim by Whitekidney that Auya has database dumps?: http://imgur.com/a/dveBZ I would assume it concerns the entire community.

My post here was just deleted without explanation. In the post I linked to a screenshot of Moggraa's announcement at 4chan where he concludes what lead to the leak. I also linked to a screenshot where Whitekidney tells us Auya has database and core dumps. And the last link was to a reddit thread where Auya doesn't dismiss the screenshot as forgery but claims he has no dumps of any information.

Shenna on January 14: "Over the course of the next several weeks we will discontinue use of the Nostalrius core. By then, we will have completed Anathema, which will be equal to or superior to the Nostalrius core. We assure you that you will not feel any difference in the cores except for a potential increase in quality. We have been continuously updating the Anathema core side-by-side with the Nostalrius core." https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/32701-our-official-response-to-nostalrius-—-elysium-will-prevail/

Let's not insolently forget that the Elysium staff dedicated an announcement thread to bash a certain individual. That if anything led to a witchhunt.

To clarify, I was answering curiosity the cat's claim that the Elysium staff had previously abstained from running background checks. Specifically on the individuals whose shady pasts had been exposed. I have no idea wether they ran background checks on the new recruits.

They were perfectly aware of who these dudes were when they recruited them:

The point is that they confirmed themselves that they raised a huge amount, $1,965 or $2,700, in a single day. They reopened PayPal for donations on 10 January and on 1 February they wanted more money. One would assume they'd atleast raise the required amount for all servers during that time considering their previous success. Another private WoW project had 427,000 registered users and it turned out they had hoarded $3 million in a PayPal account. I'd assume this project has atleast 100,000 registered users. It's basic mathematics really.

They also have the alternative to directly donate into a PayPal account. Everyone donating isn't donating to the servers as they have to pay an entire month's cost to do so. Proof for it here: http://i.imgur.com/VONoK5c.png I just realized they have conflicting reports about the PvE server. On 13 December they said servers cost 620€, 310€ each (they only had 2 servers at that point). And on 14 December they say the PvE server costs 160€. That means they were either donated $1,965 or $2,700 within a day. We should also take into account that they claim to be contributing with 900€ a month themselves: https://elysium-project.org/news/financial-report?page=3

Of those I mentioned the ones directly involved with Elysium are Whitekidney and Vitaliy. Whitekidney has been a diligent member of Ownedcore, selling powerleveling and gold through the years. In 2015 he was also trading exploits and working on selling gold at Nostalrius. There are links confirming all of this in a post by me at page 9 of this thread. Vitaliy lifting bans for money was confirmed today: https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/5vdmlu/regarding_vitaliy_pastebin_and_the_lgn/ The others are Zzuk and Rhadeghost. Zzuk was part of the Legacy Gaming Network and is the author of probably the most prominent vanilla bot. Rhadeghost was a staff member over at Crestfall, and like Whitekidney, has been selling gold, powerleveling, etc at Ownedcore. As you can see Rhadeghost has a thread from 8 January where he offers powerleveling at Elysium PvP: http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/search.php?searchid=705904

Did you educate yourself on the bot authors, goldsellers, powerlevelers and he who offered lifting a ban for roughly $70? Otherwise I'll happily compile it all in a post here for you.

Suzerain tells us on reddit that Alexensual was banned: "Lastly, Alexensual. I like Alex as a person. I've had a few conversations with him on Teamspeak and the like, just about everyday things. I understand also why he is upset with the Legacy Network, though I by no means agree with the way he has expressed himself. In the end, the staff has decided to ban him. I originally advocated that they let him remain. However, I think we can all agree that the Legacy Network was far more patient than they needed to be given the circumstances." https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/5v5l9t/last_stop_on_the_drama_train_joining_the_legacy/