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First , Alliance has instant queue. That doesnt mean , that you get easy honor as pug ( as premade yes). This has as result , that a premade earns 80-120k honor per day. From what i know there are 5 fix premade groups which runs evry day. If you play solo , you dont rank up faster then hordeside, because you loose way more games atm against horde pugs (4 afk at stables =standart). And the honorpool per week factionwide is way higher then horde. Means : i got only 60% at rank 8 last week with 285k honor ( all solo farmed ) I have a friend on horde side who telled me that you get with half the honor (about 150k) pretty much the same amount of rank increase. Means you wont rank up better an alliance side aswell, if you just play solo. It had reasons why Blizzard changed the system complete at the end of vanilla / beginning tbc ( arena). And to face the problems with stacking paladins in premades : The premade from Yesmaster pretty much stacks 3 priests/2-3schaman and 1-2 druids. So he does the same at all to get the best possible results. The system is like it is , and people which are willing to get good results doing their best to get the best possible results. Its like realife aswell.

You didnt respecct because of 10 gold ?!? Man thats a 15 min time effort to get that gold XD

Yeah it seems the contestants between the highlvl horde is insane. For real the higher the rank the higher are the potential to grab evry singe point of honor outside bgs. On the other hand at alliance, its not possible without a premade group to reach a high rank , because there are alot of premades which increases the pool of honor that hard atm. Im rank 8 atm with 250k honor. I wont get half a rank with that char. 2 month ago you could get with that amount of honor a complete rank from 8 to 9. To topic ill have an alt with lvl 53 , and i just grinded 4 lvls complete in azshara. Sure you get some ganks but mostly there are only quester some raider that want to hydraxian and alot of herber and people which want some felcloth . Go there and grind , and with lvl 54 go to winterspring or epl.

Lol. Im not the best player but killing a hunter which is 1 time in range of intercept and having his pet and hes dead. Frostmages which have all cooldowns ready are hard , but using some utility (like potions) and you could win Warlocks should always be dead if you can open wirh charge. Shadowpriest.... you die Holy/disc ... depends on how many mana he has. And rogues... if you have insignia , no problem. You just need to learn how to play when using what.. just the normal things

dont know what the code says about the spawntimer, but if you can read mangos, im pretty sure you can time it perfect, when you know when the last kill was already.

Storfan : Alliance AH today - Edgemaster 1000 gold -Cloudkeeper not available yet last seen, sold for 1300g fresh 60 hasnt that gold normally , so 300 spending on Devilsaur set is worth till geting this gold. i mean you could say to him get rank 12 for Legs ....

Yeah true, i never said something others, but, if you havnt 8,6%, he misses yellow dmg , whats the case to get more rage from offhand whitehits if your execute ( for example) could miss. thats why it would be better to get 8% from gear before you uses edgemaster. (to get the full dps potential, what i said) and next diffrend, dont know how it is on hordeside, but edgemaster get sold on alliance for 1k gold, but you can get devilset for about 300 gold. if you have enough money, ok, but not , im pretty sure the devilsaur set would be a better invest for e fresh 60

I see every day HFC running through to escape faster with the Flag. And every day they use the "jumprock" next to Horde Graveyard. If everyone uses it is it and know about , you can easy handle that as player. With noggenfogger shrinking every model should get through that "gap"

I think this discussion isnt worth, many gave constructive criticsm , why it isnt a good guide. Snide tried on his perspective to make a good guide, i guess. not to decrease the the whole tank comunity are worse then him and doing complete wrong. ( i hope) i think hes doing a good job on his raid ( like he did before at GRIZZLY aswell, from what i heared), so i dont agree aswell 100% with his guide, but some things are good some are could improved or not. im pretty sure that the Tanks which have a lack of TPS, still can get some good information what they could try to improve and nontheless evry tank still has its own way how to play and how to improve its own gameplay. and for real , 90% of the tanks which suck on its one or other thing how to tank, will never use that forum. to improove their selfs.

thats why i asked what "others " meant to be buggy, i just think that the one which calls it buggy dont know how the + skill works.

you should go to the Hunter forum instead of aking in General, there you would get more specific, answers

For... ähm.. perhaps enhancment No clue , but making a post for an item which isnt worth more then 15 gold... The time spend for that item to sell it , making post , having correspondence, setting it on neutral ah.. As rogue you could get more money by farming razorfen or something else , at the same amount of time.

then give Skarmbrena a better advice. instead of just negate my statement of helping. @Skarmbrena first of al what do you mean with works it correctly ? correct to Vanilla 2005, or to other servers like Kronos , or just Nostalrius code ? ( which is using another calculation from hit-table) or what do you mean ? from what ive seen at realmplayers 90% of the top 20 fury warriors at evrey of the 4 servers is using edgemaster handguard, so something should be right with it, if it works 100% correct to vanilla 2005 , dont know, but for the mangos code here its works proper.

go to the warrior forum there you get a perfect answer with calc for it , and anyone who says its bugged, dont know how it works. edit: just forgot to say, Edgemasters gets his full potential in raids against lvl 61+ and bosses, using it in 5 man or ubrs isnt usefull and you need to reach 8%hit first before u use it propper. so if you dont get 8% hit without devilsaur, you wont get the full dps boost effect from edgemasters.

Not implemented yet

I cant understand whats the matter ? Im playing on Elysium , and flasks cost there the same amount of gold like 80-120g. When i farm lotus i need about 1,5-2 stunden to find 1, because of the high amount of gatherer. In that time i find easy the other herbs to make a flask. Means, when i sell a flask for 100 gold, i neded about 2 hours. Thats 50g/h A mage can farm diremaul north and make easy 50-60g hour. A priest can farm diremaul east and make 30-50 hour A miner on elysium get about 20-22g for a arcane crystal. I know that you can get defenitely 2 a hour! Farming firelementals is defenitely not that less good to get elemental fire (5-7g each).No prob to get 7-10 hour. Thats just examples ! What i want to say , the amount of time you need to catch black lotus is the same like farming similar the same amount of gold ! What i dont understand either: Since weeks everyone knows that he will need a high amount of consumables at opening aq . Why most of the people didnt horde that consumables before ? You had weeks to get flasks, herbs, buffs (blastet ones). Why most didnt do this ?? Seens thats their own fault.

Hey u ask for an armory , armory was created in wotlk. You dont asked nicely , so i dont wanted to give you a nice answer. You could have used google. It would have taken you 3 secs with the correct webpage :) http://realmplayers.com It is. But its not official , not only for elysium and data isnt always up to date because its a extern addon which used from players that gather this data by seen people. Next time ask a little bit nicer , but i think i wont get a thanks for my time i spent to get your answer. ....

After that Op i hope and know that all will be correct and perfect. But make sure that jellydonuts account only get copy pastet and dont work after transfering :)

There is no official armory!

On Elysium , herbs now nothing worth anymore exept Black Lotus. Cant even making some money with brewing most elixiers/potions , because the high amount of herb spawns (flasks still high) But i dont wondering about , most mages farming diremaul half of their ganetime , and have all a shit ton of money in their bags . So they can afford still flask over 100 gold. Supreme power is still the way getting gold. (Most chinafarmers hasnt recipes or alchemy as proffession)

if you have prebis its more then ok to kill the first bosses, skill> gear i mean fury warriors are with rogues first place in dmg and atm on elysium pvp there are only 4 items in whole mc which you could get to increase your dmg for fury.

Bagger if you wanna do it , then do it. do it, invest your time and dont start in more then one threat , a controverse discussions , from a 13 y old game. All your proof lay down 1 vid from 1 guy. Did you even check the Guild he raided with ? Sanctum is a big guild and has 1 guild and 1 half pug raid every week. And i researched ! I think you didnt. First i looked the vid and saw it was not even half of players from Sanctum. Then i locked his Profile to search when he got his Arcanite Reaper (4.5.) Then i checked realmstats for logs from 4.5.- 4.11. ( all sanctum intern raids wasnt with Esfand) in no pug he was logged either . I mean it says nothing , because only 15-20% of all raids gets logged. That Ret paladin you are mostly as proofen talk about, not even is a raider at all , and that raid he made a vid from , was the half pugraid you can see it because many raidmember of that vid are not in sanctum And at this raid they didnt cleared mc ! I talked ingame with one of our guildmember which pugged this raid because he had no time that week for our guildraid. I played back in the days 13 years ago a ret paladin and had rank 13. Later on i got askhandi, but in all of our raids i was mostly , dispeller , buffer and rezzer , and had to hold up light judgement. that was my job as ret. If you find a raid which let you dps as ret , perfect . We personally has a full tank bear and a offtank feral in our raid aswell and we are happy about them, too.

easy to say http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=00010203040506070809&realm=Ely&ClassLimit=All thats the first 50 dps of the uploaded Raids on Raidstats for Elysium PvP (MC only) Warrior are by far the highest dps Class on static fights, ye more movement (target switches, aoe at bosses or just dmg stops for melees) the dps drops and Rogues(ranged) will get closer. finding a raid which hasnt enough dps warrior will be more difficult, because the good ones mostly has enough)

On alliance , you have always instant AB games warsong sometime 2-5 minutes at 60

i was yesterday in , and i couldnt see any significantly changes. i mean last patch from 19.4. they patched the Impending Doom from Lucifron , because before he didnt cast it proper, sometimes only 1 times in the whole fight. And Gehennas , i didnt realized it fast enough. The problem is , both fights not even lasts 1 minute till their death.