[AddOn] aux and more

[shirsig 18]

2 hours ago, maxxee said:

Using old aux where I dont need to click two times to undercut bid and buyout separately.

So if I upgrade aux, I'll solve my two issues from previous post and get new one. thats sad.

btw while you are here, I am using auctioneer in pair with aux so I can get some kind of market price of items.

Aux have 'historical price', where from it gets it and how to scan AH without auctioneer button? Just press search without any criteria will be enough to fullfill and update database?

The bid price undercutting is optional in the newest version (but if most of your potential buyers aren't using aux then it's definitely worth it).

And yes, any search will contribute to the history, not just searches without filter either.

[SealHeal 0]

[2017/02/11 05:49:54-443]: post\frame.lua:281: attempt to call method `ClearSelection' (a nil value)
post\frame.lua:281: in function <Interface\AddOns\aux-addon\tabs\post\frame.lua:281>
gui\core.lua:323: in function <Interface\AddOns\aux-addon\gui\core.lua:323>

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[2017/02/11 05:54:14-443]: post\frame.lua:245: attempt to call method `ClearSelection' (a nil value)
post\frame.lua:245: in function <Interface\AddOns\aux-addon\tabs\post\frame.lua:245>
gui\core.lua:323: in function <Interface\AddOns\aux-addon\gui\core.lua:323>

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[shirsig 18]

thanks, fixed

[shirsig 18]

On 1/26/2017 at 9:39 AM, orwell said:

 

Any thoughts on the new post interface?

The buyout only version in the image is my attempt to make as simple an interface as possible for posting under the assumption that no one or at least few are using the default AH.

The reason I brought back the selection for undercutting rather than just doing it on clicks is because when the stack size changes the ideal undercut may change where I would define the ideal undercut as "the highest possible stack price so that the unit price is lower than the one of the auction you're trying to undercut". Of course when the stack size is the same that's always simply 1 copper less (1/stack size copper less for the unit price). This way you don't have to click again to adjust the undercut when the stack size changes, for example to post the remainder after posting a stack size that doesn't divide your item count.

I've removed the saving of stack size because it seemed the cons outweighed the pros. Especially having the stack size automatically be the highest possible which many requested would not have been possible. Usually I would say it is best to choose the stack size to match the auction that you're undercutting (shortcut double click) because that makes it most obvious to the buyer that yours is cheaper so there's not much of a reason to save the stack size as the ideal one changes depending on the current auctions.

Having the stack size maxed out automatically also makes it more convenient to post the remainder. Once I had an option to do it automatically which I had to remove when I removed the selection but I think one extra click for this is fine as it's probably best to undercut a different auction anyway because the stack size is different.

I'm not sure yet what exactly the optional bid listing should show. Right now it still has the same columns as the buyout listing, but is sorted by stack price and the undercut is also for the stack price, which is a bit weird. I don't think undercutting bid unit prices makes much sense so I hope no one will miss that.

Edited February 11, 2017 by shirsig

[Дяпчик 9]

1. Lowest unit undercut item price

2. Price for stack

3. prices without .000

Edited February 11, 2017 by Дяпчик

[Lebowski 0]

Please don't remove the bid listing in the post window!

[shirsig 18]

11 hours ago, Lebowski said:

Please don't remove the bid listing in the post window!

It still exists, you can get it with /aux post bid

I've now made some more changes to it, namely it lists no longer the auction's real unit price but the unit price it would have with your selected stack size, which is more useful for undercutting the stack size.

13 hours ago, Дяпчик said:

1. Lowest unit undercut item price

2. Price for stack

3. prices without .000

1. I don't see the point, it's never a good idea to blindly accept so you're not really saving time even if the lowest would be a good one to undercut.

2. I'm thinking about it, but it would create some complications. Only using the unit price has the advantage that you don't have to deal with the problem of what to do with the price when the stack size changes.

3. Then you can't decide the exact price of your auctions anymore? Doesn't seem very elegant even if it may not make a huge difference.

[Shadex 2]

Hi Shirsig,

Since updating to the latest version of Aux many of my items cannot be posted to auction?  I click post and it makes a sound but doesn't post them.  Ex items - patterned bronze bracers, iron buckle

Edited February 12, 2017 by Shadex

[shirsig 18]

24 minutes ago, Shadex said:

Hi Shirsig,

Since updating to the latest version of Aux many of my items cannot be posted to auction?  I click post and it makes a sound but doesn't post them.  Ex items - patterned bronze bracers, iron buckle

https://github.com/shirsig/aux-addon/issues/78

[orwell 0]

On 11.02.2017 at 7:25 PM, shirsig said:

Any thoughts on the new post interface?

The buyout only version in the image is my attempt to make as simple an interface as possible for posting under the assumption that no one or at least few are using the default AH.

The reason I brought back the selection for undercutting rather than just doing it on clicks is because when the stack size changes the ideal undercut may change where I would define the ideal undercut as "the highest possible stack price so that the unit price is lower than the one of the auction you're trying to undercut". Of course when the stack size is the same that's always simply 1 copper less (1/stack size copper less for the unit price). This way you don't have to click again to adjust the undercut when the stack size changes, for example to post the remainder after posting a stack size that doesn't divide your item count.

I've removed the saving of stack size because it seemed the cons outweighed the pros. Especially having the stack size automatically be the highest possible which many requested would not have been possible. Usually I would say it is best to choose the stack size to match the auction that you're undercutting (shortcut double click) because that makes it most obvious to the buyer that yours is cheaper so there's not much of a reason to save the stack size as the ideal one changes depending on the current auctions.

Having the stack size maxed out automatically also makes it more convenient to post the remainder. Once I had an option to do it automatically which I had to remove when I removed the selection but I think one extra click for this is fine as it's probably best to undercut a different auction anyway because the stack size is different.

I'm not sure yet what exactly the optional bid listing should show. Right now it still has the same columns as the buyout listing, but is sorted by stack price and the undercut is also for the stack price, which is a bit weird. I don't think undercutting bid unit prices makes much sense so I hope no one will miss that.

It's good, you've come around.

1- Pic: http://pasteboard.co/yauI7RaK8.jpg

I'd remove the left bar of post tab. Where it shows items in your inventory. It's a waste of space when you can just as easily post items from your bag.

2- I'd make it optional to show / hide Time Left, %hist value and other rows. They can be on by default but an option to hide them will be cherished by some people. I never use most of the rows and I'm not crazy. I'm sure there are other people.

3- Post tab only shows price per item. Should I multiple 17 with 49 copper everytime?

4- It is very strange to not know for how much you're posting your 12x medium leathers. Sure Aux shows you how much 1 unit costs but that's it. You have to post your stack and then go auctions tab to see the stacks' total price. Kind of shocking.

5- It'd be cool to have a wish list where you can save the names of items you are after, and check for them easily.

6- Oh man, I told this before but. I would definately find a way to show 15 copper as 15 fucking copper, unlike 15.000 coppers.

Extra - About your ccwatch addon:

I’d make an option to exclude any CC the player does not want to see.

 

Edited February 14, 2017 by orwell

[shirsig 18]

The listing isn't the same as the inventory at all. It shows only one entry per item, sorts alphabetically, doesn't show items which aren't auctionable, shows the names to distinguish items with the same icon without having to hover over them and lets you hide further items you never want to auction for some reason. In your image it doesn't make that big a difference but if you have mounts, reagents, crafting tools, consumables, quest items etc. it makes things a lot easier.

You don't have to multiply your prices by anything. What does it even matter what the stack price is? The items sell for what they sell either way.

A list of items you're after? ... like, eh, the favorites in the search tab?

[orwell 0]

1 hour ago, shirsig said:

The listing isn't the same as the inventory at all. It shows only one entry per item, sorts alphabetically, doesn't show items which aren't auctionable, shows the names to distinguish items with the same icon without having to hover over them and lets you hide further items you never want to auction for some reason. In your image it doesn't make that big a difference but if you have mounts, reagents, crafting tools, consumables, quest items etc. it makes things a lot easier.

You don't have to multiply your prices by anything. What does it even matter what the stack price is? The items sell for what they sell either way.

A list of items you're after? ... like, eh, the favorites in the search tab?

You create your addons according to just how you would use it. When new ideas are thrown at you, you defend your preference about the GUI.

I'd suggest you do what every respectable addon developer does. Add preferences to your GUI. Make it customizable enough and you won't have to defend your own preferences.

 

[shirsig 18]

Those are not preferences, I'm making objective arguments as to why things are the way they are. If you can't provide a better argument you won't see a change. Obviously I will not go to lengths to implement settings for ridiculously picky requests like hiding a table column you don't use (for irrational reasons even).

Excessive customization is nothing but an excuse for lazy design.

[euron 1]

Hey Bit,

I've been a big fan of CDframes since it came out, so thanks for all the effort and work you've put into it, it's much appreciated. I did update to the latest version today after running with a pretty outdated one for a while :D

Everything seems to work fine, except it somehow isn't tracking Nature's Swiftness after another spell consumes it. It works fine if you click it off. I'm assuming this is because the NS cooldown doesn't get triggered until another spell gets cast, and then it looks for the spell used, finds no cooldown (because it was healing touch or whatever), and ignores it. But that's just my guess, because I don't actually know enough to figure it out on my own.

Thanks in advance, and either way I'll keep using this sweet addon. 

Edited February 16, 2017 by euron

[shirsig 18]

It's a problem with the used mode. Not sure how to fix it but you can always deactivate it (/cooldowns used).

[orwell 0]

On 14.02.2017 at 4:40 PM, shirsig said:

Those are not preferences, I'm making objective arguments as to why things are the way they are. If you can't provide a better argument you won't see a change. Obviously I will not go to lengths to implement settings for ridiculously picky requests like hiding a table column you don't use (for irrational reasons even).

Excessive customization is nothing but an excuse for lazy design.

Actually, having no customization is lazy. I'm %100 sure you're lazy. I have some of your other addons too, all of which lacks ANY real graphical options. They are all designed for your own personal use. I think you could barely bother with uploading them.

Addons that offer a range of graphical options are harder to make and you know it. That's why you are resisting. You're the lazy developer and you lack empathy.

You may choose to disregard it but only %30 of your users voted for your new design. %70 of the people preferred an older and simpler look. I've met many people who are using the first revision giving up on great functions (AH Scan and tooltips) just not to see your ugly, overcrowded interface.

Actually I gave up on you 2 weeks earlier but came here again when you modified post tab according to what I proposed and you quoted me in the topic. It would be too mature for you to add graphical options to let people choose what they like. But again you act like like a child shouting "It's my toy and I know best"

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2017 by orwell

[Athene 3]

UI is inspired by TSM, no need customisation when you replicate something people are used to.

Don't use the addon if you don't like it and learn to be thankfull for the hard work made.

 

[shirsig 18]

50 minutes ago, orwell said:

Actually, having no customization is lazy. I'm %100 sure you're lazy. I have some of your other addons too, all of which lacks ANY real graphical options. They are all designed for your own personal use. I think you could barely bother with uploading them.

Addons that offer a range of graphical options are harder to make and you know it. That's why you are resisting. You're the lazy developer and you lack empathy.

You may choose to disregard it but only %30 of your users voted for your new design. %70 of the people preferred an older and simpler look. I've met many people who are using the first revision giving up on great functions (AH Scan and tooltips) just not to see your ugly, overcrowded interface.

Actually I gave up on you 2 weeks earlier but came here again when you modified post tab according to what I proposed and you quoted me in the topic. It would be too mature for you to add graphical options to let people choose what they like. But again you act like like a child shouting "It's my toy and I know best"

 

 

 

Sorry but you're the one acting like an entitled child. It's not difficult at all to make options. My goal is to make aux effective, not to make irrational people happy. If you know how to make it more effective present your argument and if effectiveness doesn't make you happy, too bad.

[orwell 0]

2 hours ago, shirsig said:

 My goal is to make aux effective, not to make irrational people happy.

So people who don't use the frame on the left are irrational? http://pasteboard.co/yauI7RaK8.jpg

Who the fuck are you to dictate what's rational for me? Tell me your age son. Honestly.

Why do we have to agree on everything when you could just let people use the addon their way?

That doesn't happen because you're shallow, small and selfish.

You say it's easy to add options to hide "%Hist value" and "Time Left" columns but you won't do it... Because you stupidly assume they must be effective for everyone since they are effective for you.

Worst of all, you shamelessly say us "irrational" people don't deserve to be happy.

Get a fucking sense. Get rekt son.

 

Edited February 16, 2017 by orwell

[shirsig 18]

15 minutes ago, orwell said:

So people who don't use the frame on the left are irrational? http://pasteboard.co/yauI7RaK8.jpg

Who the fuck are you to dictate what's rational for me? Tell me your age son. Honestly.

Why do we have to agree on everything when you could just let people use the addon their way?

That doesn't happen because you're shallow, small and selfish.

You say it's easy to add options to hide "%Hist value" and "Time Left" columns but you won't do it... Because you stupidly assume they must be effective for everyone since they are effective for you.

Worst of all, you shamelessly say it's easy to add those options but us "irrational" people don't deserve to be happy.

Get a fucking sense. Get rekt son.

 

Yes, it is irrational to search for your auctionable items within your mounts, pets, reagents, crafting tools, resistance gear, multiple stacks of the same item etc. when this listing hides all those. You disagree? Try a rational argument rather than insults.

You deserve to be happy but if you think I am responsible for your happiness you need to get a grip on reality.

[orwell 0]

10 minutes ago, shirsig said:

Yes, it is irrational to search for your auctionable items within your mounts, pets, reagents, crafting tools, resistance gear, multiple stacks of the same item etc. when this listing hides all those. You disagree? Try a rational argument rather than insults.

Actually me and many rational people, uses the last bag (or the bottom of all bags) for the hearthstone, mount, pets, reagents,crafting tools, resistance gear etc.

If your mounts and pets are standing next to your newly looted grey, white, green items, you are an idiot and this addon can't cure it.

 

 

Edited February 16, 2017 by orwell

[shirsig 18]

15 minutes ago, orwell said:

Actually me and many rational people, uses the last bag (or the bottom of all bags) for the hearthstone, mount, pets, reagents,crafting tools, resistance gear etc.

If your mounts and pets are standing next to your newly looted grey, white, green items, you are an idiot and this addon can't cure it.

 

 

When you unequip gear it automatically gets placed at the top if the slots don't match (1h/shield vs 2h), same when transferring between inventory and bank. Quest items come and go, reagents, consumables also get moved around when you use/restock them, also not a solution to many stacks of the same item.

Edited February 16, 2017 by shirsig

[orwell 0]

2 minutes ago, shirsig said:

When you unequip gear it automatically gets placed at the top. Quest items come and go, reagents, consumables also get moved around when you use/restock them, also not a solution to many stacks of the same item.

Ok let me add one more thing what us rational people of the earth do. We tidy up our bags while running. We tidy it while flying. We tidy it before going to bed and tidy it in the morning. We tidy it while the coffee is getting hot and tidy it after taking a dump.

Why we do it?

- To easily mail auctionable items to your bank alt.

- To quickly sell trash/white/soulbound items to a vendor.

- Because we just can't go around without tidying our bags...

- Because we have free time while running, flying etc.

How we do it?

- Put quest items next to each other.

- Put auctionable items next to each other before posting to bank alt.

- Put vendorable items next to each other while running to a vendor.

- Put same items next to each other (e.g. 20x Silk Cloth - 20x Silk Cloth)

BONUS: Lets say you swapped weapons and one of your weapons are now out of its usual place... What do you do?

You take it from there and put it in the usual place. If a person don't do this, he is a slobbering obese who can't even get up from his chair.

If he spends more than 3 seconds everytime he needs that weapon, you can forget about him.

Tidying your bag is what you have to do in every occasion because you need it clean for anything.

If a player doesn't have this habit, he can't be any more rational than I am

So you might have solved auctioning problem for lazy people (they still have to tidy their bags for mailing and vendoring), but those people who doesn't tidy their bags are irrational, not me.

[shirsig 18]

1 minute ago, orwell said:

BONUS: Lets say you swapped weapons and one of your weapons are now out of its usual place... What do you do?

You take it from there and put it in the usual place. If a person don't do this, he is a slobbering obese who can't even get up from his chair.

Unfortunately you then also have to move tons of other items to fill the gap or make space. Seems crazy to do this every time you switch between 2h/1h, even with a bag sort addon.

I see the point of keeping your inventory tidy to some degree but doing it so obsessively seems like a waste of time. And even if it's perfectly tidy the post listing is still a bit clearer/more concise.

[orwell 0]

This was quite a long argument and I wish I didn't need to convince you. You wanted arguments, I gave you arguments.

In fact, I dont care what you do with your addon now.

I expected from you, without much debate, more options in the interface and respect for other peoples' calls.

But as I said, you're a lazy sleazy bastard.

Anyhow! hail brother.

 

Edited February 16, 2017 by orwell