Vaulken 0 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 Like if you geared to feed all your damage into holy damage instead of physical, or hybrid? Or do the % scalings from ret tree just trounce this? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theloras 108 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 Like if you geared to feed all your damage into holy damage instead of physical, or hybrid? Or do the % scalings from ret tree just trounce this? you go for a 1handed SoR spec/playstyle like the one developped by Saphael using Ironfoe: SAPHAEL'S 1HAND SOR RETRIBUTION SPEC If you would prefer to follow a more hybrid playstyle and gearset, there are two additional ways of gearing up and doing damage. Both of these require that you use Seal of Righteousness instead of Seal of Command and would therefore necessitate a different talent spec. Full credit to this 1hand Spell Damage gearset and play style goes to Saphael. 13 / 8 / 30 - RET SPEC ABBREVIATIONS Seal of the Crusader: SotC Seal of the Righteousness: SoR Judgement of Seal of Righteousness: JSoR Judgement of Seal of Wisdom: JSoW Out of mana: OOM Spell Power: SP Attack Power: AP MP5: Mana per 5 seconds MP1: Mana per 1 second One Hand: 1-H GEAR (BiS-preraid): Helm: Soulforge Helm - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity Neck: Beads of Ogre Mojo Shoulder: Soulforge Spaulders - Zandalar Signet of Mojo Back: Cloak of the Hakkari Worshipers - Formula: Enchant Cloak - Subtlety Chest: Soulforge Breastplate - Formula: Enchant Chest - Greater Stats Wrist: Battleborn Armbraces - Formula: Enchant Bracer - Mana Regeneration One Hand: Ironfoe - Formula: Enchant Weapon - Spell Power Off Hand: Therazane's Touch Relic: Libram of Fervor Hands: Soulforge Gauntlets - Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility Belt: Soulforge Belt Legs: Titanic Leggings - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity Boots: Soulforge Boots - Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility Finger: Tarnished Elven Ring Finger: Tarnished Elven Ring Trinket: Blackhand's Breadth Trinket: Hand of Justice GEAR (BiS) Helm: Avenger's Crown - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity Neck: Choker of the Fire Lord Shoulder: Avenger's Pauldrons - Power of the Scourge Back: Cloak of Concentrated Hatred - Formula: Enchant Cloak - Subtlety Chest: Avenger's Breastplate - Formula: Enchant Chest - Greater Stats Wrist: Wristguards of Vengeance - Formula: Enchant Bracer - Mana Regeneration One Hand: Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker - Formula: Enchant Weapon - Spell Power Off Hand: Sapphiron's Left Eye Relic: Libram of Fervor Hands: Marshal's Lamellar Gloves - Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility Belt: Belt of the Grand Crusader Legs: Avenger's Legguards - Lesser Arcanum of Voracity Boots: Avenger's Greaves - Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility Finger: Band of Unnatural Forces Finger: Band of Accuria Trinket: Kiss of the Spider Trinket: Neltharion's Tear Note: There is other gear combinations for this build (easier obtained pieces). CONSUMABLES Brilliant Wizard Oil Flask of Supreme Power Elixir of the Mongoose Elixir of Giants Elixir of Greater Intellect Scroll of Agility IV Scroll of Intellect IV Scroll of Strength IV Greater Arcane Elixir Mageblood Potion Demonic Rune Major Mana Potion Winterfall Firewater Swiftness of Zanza Stratholme Holy Water Thorium Grenade Cerebral Cortex Compound Juju Guile Juju Power Crystal Spire Nightfin Soup Arcane Elixir Note: Only some of the standard consumables have been listed, if you are going to do 40-mans more consumables is needed. GAMEPLAY Your main abilities are Judgement of Seal of Righteousness, Consecration R1 & you will need to have SoR up all the time. When you are on single target's you will be judging SotC first, then change to SoR (never stop judging SoR, but have SotC up on your target). Always have Consecration R1 up, and never use a higher rank, because you will go OOM. There is possible to use a higher rank of Consecration, but then you should have done the math beforehand to be sure of not going OOM. STAT PRIORIZATION I will only calculate my numbers as a Human, so Dwarf paladins is not included in these numbers(Humans and Dwarfs have different stats). Also I will not go into absolutely every detail so hang in there, I'll try to make it as easy as I can. INFORMATION This is indeed a mana-consuming build, but in my point of view it's the best and most viable build for an Retribution Paladin. From years of experience in high-end continent as an Retribution Paladin, this is the way to go. I will calculate using numbers from the BiS-peraid gear, when fully buffed up from the "mini guide" I made above. Also class buffs is included in these calculations. Indeed, you clearly want the 8% hit. Afterwards you should concentrate on having enough melee crit to have a fair amount of vengeance uptime(15% increased physical and holy damage). You can easily check how much uptime you have by using this formula: 1-(1-(crit/100))^(8/weaponspeed). In this case it will be: 1-(1-(32/100))^(8/2.4) = 0,72 | You will have an vengeance uptime with 72%. In addition to the 72% uptime from white-hits, you have a judgement that you use every eight second. So that will increase your vengeance uptime. So that's the formula, but it's not accurate according to my gear-setup. Since you have Ironfoe and Hand of Justice this adds more white-hits, which means that you will have a better vengeance uptime than what you have calculated. Before you start to think about how much spell power and strength/AP that you need. Take a deep breath, then try to find out how your mana-sustainability currently are. You can check that by doing this: Mana from abilities pr. min (without any buffs or manaregain)= 90 (Judgement) + 170 (SoR) + 135 (Consecration R1) = 395 * 10 = 3950 | 3950/80 = 49,375 * 60 = 2962,5 mana pr. min. Manaregain= 76 MP5 | 59 MP2.4 (JSoW) | 156 MP5 (DR, MMP) | 15,2 + 25 + 31 = 71,2 MP1 | 71,2 * 60 = 4272 pr. min. (Take in account that Ironfoe and Hand of Justice procs is not in these calculations, so in reality you gain even more mana (JSoW). I can calculate how much mana you gain with these items also, if you fancy it. Note: You can clearly see that mana is not an issue if you use consumables. Spell power is indeed important, since SP is stacking with your abilities (SoR, JSOR, Consecration). AP is important also, since your white-hits contributes a lot of your total damage, so you'll need to balance these out by using all-stats sets like: Soulforge Armor, Judgement Armor, Avenger's Battlegear. Stamina is self-explainatory. I can get more into spirit another time if it's desired. SUMMARY Priority order: Hit - Crit - Mana - Spell power & AP - Stamina - Spirit Note: crit and mana is something you'll need to calculate as mention above, so when you have enough to be sustained, the other stats will of course be more of importance. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vaulken 0 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 I was thinking of picking up holy shock though 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 Ironfoe+One-Handed Weapon Spec+Improved Seal of Righteousness+Reckoning+Spell Damage Gear/Flask. Have fun and screw that +Crit . /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asherdoom 5 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 holy shock is way too expensive in terms of manapoints per damage. if sanctity aura is not bugged you will see decent dps without the need of holy shock holy shock is way too expensive in terms of manapoints per damage. if sanctity aura is not bugged you will see decent dps without the need of holy shock 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 holy shock is way too expensive in terms of manapoints per damage. if sanctity aura is not bugged you will see decent dps without the need of holy shock holy shock is way too expensive in terms of manapoints per damage. if sanctity aura is not bugged you will see decent dps without the need of holy shock Hi Asherdoom , remember me from Feenix dude ? /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vaulken 0 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Like this Edited December 15, 2016 by Vaulken 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vaulken 0 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 Ironfoe+One-Handed Weapon Spec+Improved Seal of Righteousness+Reckoning+Spell Damage Gear/Flask. Have fun and screw that +Crit . /Kind regards Killerduki How dyou proc reckoning in pve as dps? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) How dyou proc reckoning in pve as dps? Well i tough you talk about PVP sorry. Let say this : http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sVVzZVhtILzVZVf with Ironfoe. or this : http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#siVzZVhZEf0xr0q /Kind regards Killerduki Edited December 15, 2016 by killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theloras 108 Report post Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Like this overall it would be meh seeing as you would have little to no +spell hit on your gear and raid bosses require 16% spell hit (even for holy spells like Holy Shock and Exorcism) not to mention Holy Shock being on a 30 second cooldown Edited December 15, 2016 by Theloras 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
