benjiwalla 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 Heyo,Not sure where to post this question, so I thought I'd drop it in the Priest section; is it safe to use Mind Control on players? There are a ton of threads on the old Nostalrius forum about people being banned for either having used Mind Control or have had Mind Control used against them - something about the anti-cheat detection? Some appeals get resolved while others don't, I'd like to know for sure if it is safe or if it is some 'use at your own risk' spellIt would be a bummer to either get banned or have people get banned because I decided to do some base jumping, perhaps Pottu or someone else from the team could give an answer?Here are some examples:https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=36285https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=34672https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=15125https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=40046https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=32822https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=15150https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=36560https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=15115https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=16847 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haestingas 30 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 The part that was bannable was people MCing others in battlegrounds into the portal which would cause the target to leave the BG. Outside of that I never heard of anything else that would result in a ban from using MC. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fapmonsoon 14 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 There was a post recently that I cant find (too lazy to dig that deep) where someone was banned for using MC on the boats to toss people off it. I never did see a GM reply on why It wasn't allowed so I cant say for sure that this really was the reason he was banned, only that he reported it in ban appeals. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotmilk0112 10 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 There was a post recently that I cant find (too lazy to dig that deep) where someone was banned for using MC on the boats to toss people off it. That's retarded. Being MC'd off the boat is obnoxious, yes, but it's not like you're griefing or exploiting bugs or anything. It's just as much a part of the game as regular ganking is. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fapmonsoon 14 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 Trust me, I agree. It was one of my favorite past times. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aveton 8 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 someone was banned for using MC on the boats to toss people off it. I don't believe. It's should not be bannable... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benjiwalla 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) The part that was bannable was people MCing others in battlegrounds into the portal which would cause the target to leave the BG. Outside of that I never heard of anything else that would result in a ban from using MC. I found this: http://imgur.com/a/FtNya That's retarded. Being MC'd off the boat is obnoxious, yes, but it's not like you're griefing or exploiting bugs or anything. It's just as much a part of the game as regular ganking is. Some servers don't look kindly upon Mind Control, either due to it not working properly and lead to disconnects and bans, or because it is not deemed very fun for the victim - what is the stance for Elysium? I'd assume you wouldn't be allowed to use Mind Control to make people drown in lava if you can't make them jump off boats, it sure would take away an aspect from the Priest class when it comes to PVP Edited December 27, 2016 by benjiwalla 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uhd 1 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 Use mind control all you want man, I'm using it every chance I get, wether its mcing people out of bgs, mcing kids off boats or drowning them in lava man, use that фекал every chance you get bro. nothing is going to happen. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windslav 2 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 I think they said it was a bug of the cheat detection system. They unban the bug's victims. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shayss 43 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) On Nostalrius, MCing people off boats and through BG portals was considered an offence. You would normally first get a warning on your account. Also people BEING MCed through BG portals could trigger a false positive, this could be devastating to a player trying to get ranks in PvP. That being said, if you did get MCed out of a BG you probably deserved it for standing AFK so close to the portal. Edited December 28, 2016 by Shayss 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benjiwalla 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 Use mind control all you want man, I'm using it every chance I get, wether its mcing people out of bgs, mcing kids off boats or drowning them in lava man, use that фекал every chance you get bro. nothing is going to happen. I wouldn't be so sure nothing is going to happen considering recent issues with the server, but perhaps it will all be resolved in the future I think they said it was a bug of the cheat detection system. They unban the bug's victims. Sounds a bit reassuring On Nostalrius, MCing people off boats and through BG portals was considered an offence. You would normally first get a warning on your account. Also people BEING MCed through BG portals could trigger a false positive, this could be devastating to a player trying to get ranks in PvP. That being said, if you did get MCed out of a BG you probably deserved it for standing AFK so close to the portal. The screenshot (http://imgur.com/a/FtNya) seems to state otherwise, that it is allowed to use Mind Control and make people leave - I do however feel like perhaps it shouldn't Nothing is said about the boats however, I do remember way back in retail that it was always a danger of travelling with boats that someone was hiding somewhere or just waved at you with ill intentions - it would feel bad if this now wasn't allowed, where would the line be drawn to what is allowed and not if 'fun' is a factor? On a PVP server things such as that should be a known given that it may happen 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geston 15 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 MCing off the boat was only an offense if you did right right before the boat hit the loading screen, this would cause the victim to be completely stuck and it was a huge pain in the попа to fix. Throwing someone off the boat and forcing them to swim back was never considered an offense on Nost. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotmilk0112 10 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 because it is not deemed very fun for the victim - what is the stance for Elysium? Ganking isn't very fun for the victim, can we get that banned too? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benjiwalla 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Ganking isn't very fun for the victim, can we get that banned too? Yeah that is what I'm getting at - where does Elysium draw the line? What is actually allowed when it comes to hostile player interaction and not? If ganking is considered griefing and a violation, we'll be looking at a neutered PVP server; but that really cannot be true, can it? The TOS (https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=21966) seem to not mention that it would be against the rules But I assume since the TOS doesn't explicity mention that you are not allowed to toss people off cliffs and boats, you should be allowed to do that barring of course that there is no bull going on when it comes to the anti-cheat detector banning people for reasons unknown because of it MCing off the boat was only an offense if you did right right before the boat hit the loading screen, this would cause the victim to be completely stuck and it was a huge pain in the попа to fix. Throwing someone off the boat and forcing them to swim back was never considered an offense on Nost. Interesting, that is good to know, thanks Edited December 28, 2016 by benjiwalla 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shayss 43 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 Yeah that is what I'm getting at - where does Elysium draw the line? What is actually allowed when it comes to hostile player interaction and not? If ganking is considered griefing and a violation, we'll be looking at a neutered PVP server; but that really cannot be true, can it? The TOS (https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=21966) seem to not mention that it would be against the rules But I assume since the TOS doesn't explicity mention that you are not allowed to toss people off cliffs and boats, you should be allowed to do that barring of course that there is no bull going on when it comes to the anti-cheat detector banning people for reasons unknown because of it Interesting, that is good to know, thanks You are reading far too much into it. Normal PvP is fine. Safespoting/organised honor farm/exploiting - That will get you banned. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benjiwalla 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2016 You are reading far too much into it. Normal PvP is fine. Safespoting/organised honor farm/exploiting - That will get you banned. I guess I am, but reading about people getting banned left and right doesn't really put the mind at ease 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
