Quests awards too much experience!

[dalern 4]

There was a lot of commotion on reddit and the forums a couple of days ago about how people was absolutely positive the experience rates had been set too low. Without much proof of all than just Word of mouth, and how they "where sure about it used to be higher". Everyone agreed on this it seemed.

I have done a Little reasearch on this issue as I on the contrary felt that the now increased experience rates had been set much too high. Patch 2.3.0 increased the amount of experience you got from quests between level 30-60 by quite a bit and it is this increased rate that many swear is the correct one that they know lasted through all of retail vanilla.

To find the true experience rates that existed Before that patch I used https://archive.org/web/ to search thottbot.com and allakhazam.com from the actual time of retail vanilla wow. And I found that not many quests at all at higher levels atleast give the correct amount of experience. All quests I were comparing showed that Elysium had the rates often up to 40% too high.

These following are just a few examples of the incorrect rates on Elysium/Nostalrius:

Roll the Bones awards 7000xp (https://youtu.be/fQ0Tfu4q3jY?t=1h1m35s)
Should be 4900XP (https://web.archive.org/web/20060428001659/http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=3882)

Williden's Journal awards 5000xp (https://youtu.be/fQ0Tfu4q3jY?t=1h1m56s)
Should be 3550xp (https://web.archive.org/web/20070219022052/http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=3884 and https://web.archive.org/web/20060307154209/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=3884)

A Little Help From My Friends awards 8250xp (https://youtu.be/fQ0Tfu4q3jY?t=1h3m50s)
Should be 5650xp (https://web.archive.org/web/20060908221706/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=4491)

The Apes of Un'Goro awards 8250xp (https://youtu.be/fQ0Tfu4q3jY?t=1h43m26s)
Should be 5650xp (https://web.archive.org/web/20060708194350/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=4289)

The Fare of Lar'korwi awards 7500xp (https://youtu.be/fQ0Tfu4q3jY?t=1h43m32s)
Should be 5250xp (https://web.archive.org/web/20061116204823/http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=4290)

I could make this list much longer but you can all do this by yourself and see that what Elysium has now is not how it really was during retail vanilla.

Edited January 8, 2017 by dalern
fixed links

[gentoo 0]

With so many nerds on the server and no Quest mobs ever spawned cause they are insta killed.. Lets Increase the xp rate for quests incase you actually are able to finish one by accident.

[Arccai 0]

And then you break the entire purpose of using "original settings"

[dalern 4]

Some of us still likes to play as blizzlike as possible, but considering how silent everyone has been when proven wrong about the experience rates i guess we are in a minority.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Can you find actual videos from vanilla proving these old exp values, instead of thottbot pages?

[dalern 4]

All higher level quests I did compare with Thottbot and Allakhazam data where wrong. Comments on those respective pages validating the data found on them. Don't you Think that's proof enough?

[Crazyj 0]

2 hours ago, dalern said:

Some of us still likes to play as blizzlike as possible, but considering how silent everyone has been when proven wrong about the experience rates i guess we are in a minority.

Perhaps you should wait a bit before assuming we think we we're proven "wrong". Would also be a good idea to go back and actually read that post again. We never stated that it was "set too low" or that "where sure about it used to be higher". The post was actually about how the xp on certain higher lv quest had been adjusted to an amount way lower than normal on one particular day. One in particular was a quest chain that awarded 25k exp a few days before, and suddenly started awarding only 9k. While the links from an archived version of thottbot & allakhazam are nice, it runs into the same problem of being "word of mouth" as you called it, since the bugtracker and some of the people reporting originally we're also using info form vanilla databases.

[dalern 4]

20 minutes ago, Crazyj said:

Perhaps you should wait a bit before assuming we think we we're proven "wrong". Would also be a good idea to go back and actually read that post again. We never stated that it was "set too low" or that "where sure about it used to be higher". The post was actually about how the xp on certain higher lv quest had been adjusted to an amount way lower than normal on one particular day. One in particular was a quest chain that awarded 25k exp a few days before, and suddenly started awarding only 9k. While the links from an archived version of thottbot & allakhazam are nice, it runs into the same problem of being "word of mouth" as you called it, since the bugtracker and some of the people reporting originally we're also using info form vanilla databases.

In that thread you claimed that:

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Just did the math on the quest "The Flawless Flame", and I can confirm an exp cut. Quest was yellow, and awarded 43.4% less xp than it is supposed to. Only awarded 4400, where it should award 7780.

Where is your proof on that? I looked it up and 4400xp is the correct amount accoring to both Thottbot and Allakhazam.

[Crazyj 0]

Proof was posted on the bugtracker. Look for it yourself. A lot of these quest we're posted, and the GM's themselves posted later about the problem. Look through the bugtracker, and if you think there's a problem, submit one yourself. I have no interest in spending my day linking every post to you. My goal was to pop in and say my peace about the being wrong part, and that's the last input I'll have. Again, look for yourself, and if you think there's a problem, post it in the tracker.

[dalern 4]

 

This is your submission to the bugtracker https://elysium-project.org/bugtracker/issue/782

You provided this as proof:

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Testing various quest personally, as well as viewing feedback from other users,

I rest my case.

[Crazyj 0]

Sorry, thought I had it in there. The quest that I looked up was using the Vanilla DB. I know some other quest were looked up in previous version of WoWhead data. 

Sooo, I guess this means your case is reopened?

 

Edit:  Also, thank you for your comment on a "Resolved" ticket  xD

Edited January 8, 2017 by Crazyj

[dalern 4]

Give sources.

[Crazyj 0]

Sure thing: Google.

[dalern 4]

Link to this Vanilla DB that you speak of then?

[dalern 4]

1 minute ago, Henceforth said:

You don't know the exact data that thottbot resource was archived.

Perhaps it was was archived right after the XP required to level was drastically decreased, and also XP reward.

These websites are not proof of something. Sorry.

Acctually I do. The exact date of when the web page was replicated is provided by archive.org.

[Crazyj 0]

1 minute ago, Henceforth said:

Ok now you are trolling. Pics or GTFO.

Not trolling in the slighest. I know that theres nothing I can post that will be good enough for this guy. No matter what I, or anyone else find (including him) is going to be 100% proof of what the rates were. Everyone who has played a private vanilla server knows exactly what DB I'm talking about, and If I have to provide that for him, instead of him using google, then I'm just 100% wasting my time.

[dalern 4]

8 minutes ago, Crazyj said:

Not trolling in the slighest. I know that theres nothing I can post that will be good enough for this guy. No matter what I, or anyone else find (including him) is going to be 100% proof of what the rates were. Everyone who has played a private vanilla server knows exactly what DB I'm talking about, and If I have to provide that for him, instead of him using google, then I'm just 100% wasting my time.

Whatever proof you have is apparently a better source than the main sources of information during retail vanilla. Which was Thottbot and Allakhazam.

Edited January 8, 2017 by dalern

[Crazyj 0]

2 minutes ago, dalern said:

Whatever proof you have is apparently a better source than the main sources of information during retail vanilla. Which was Thottbot and Allakhazam.

See what I mean? Even though there no way to know 100% if that info was posted before or after any alterations to the quest xp, that's what this guy will stick to. If you have another opinion, or website with different info, you might as well forget trying to argue with this guy.  Did you post on the bugtracker Dalern, or still just sticking to forums?

[dalern 4]

7 minutes ago, Crazyj said:

See what I mean? Even though there no way to know 100% if that info was posted before or after any alterations to the quest xp, that's what this guy will stick to. If you have another opinion, or website with different info, you might as well forget trying to argue with this guy.  Did you post on the bugtracker Dalern, or still just sticking to forums?

You know the exact date that archive.org replicated the webpage.

You didn't once try and provide any proof tbh.

Edited January 8, 2017 by dalern

[Crazyj 0]

7 minutes ago, dalern said:

You know the exact date that archive.org replicated the webpage.

You didn't once try and provide any proof tbh.

Because the GM's already agreed that the XP complaints were correct. I have no need to prove anything you to tbh. What would I gain by wasting my time providing you with a link to google? If you feel something is wrong, again, use the bugtracker. I'll ask again, did you post on the bugtracker, or are you just trying to argue on the forums?

[dalern 4]

I already have. But I for once have yet to figure out why the devs started to listen to all of you complaining without giving any valid proof.

[Crazyj 0]

39 minutes ago, dalern said:

I already have. But I for once have yet to figure out why the devs started to listen to all of you complaining without giving any valid proof.

Because you didn't understand the purpose of the post. The post was about the XP values changing randomly. While the quest I posted may not have been one of those effected, they acknowledged that there were quite a few quest thats xp values had in fact been effected and it wasn't intended. I'll give the same example I did earlier, there was one chain that is supposed to reward 25k that someone did a few days before the change, and he did it again on an alt after, and it only awarded 9k. The goal of the post wasn't to raise the XP above vanilla levels, but to let the devs know that the reward on some quest had changed, and to check if something was wrong, or if it was intentional. The quest I posted has the XP listed as 7780 on the 1.11 version info of WoWhead, while thottbot, and allakhazam have it at 4400. While I won't know if the quest I submitted was one of those effected because I've already completed it, I'm sure they know which source they intend to use, and will stick with it. Neither my post, nor yours will effect that decision. Again, the purpose of the original thread was ABOUT THE CHANGE OF QUEST XP FROM ONE DAY TO ANOTHER.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Crazyj

[dalern 4]

That still doesn't change the fact the the experience rates currently on Nostalrius PVP are set much too high, which was the purpose of this thread you are in now.

[Crazyj 0]

3 minutes ago, dalern said:

That still doesn't change the fact the the experience rates currently on Nostalrius PVP are set much too high, which was the purpose of this thread you are in now.

Yes it is. I'm not here to argue the purpose of your thread. I commented because of one of your replies about us not responding because we were wrong, which is false, I just didn't want to fight the cluster of the forums during ddos yesterday. My previous comment was about clearing your misconception of the point of the original xp post. Now that I've done that, I'm going to see myself out. I hope you get the response you're looking for!

[Sundanc_r 19]

5 hours ago, gotmilk0112 said:

Can you find actual videos from vanilla proving these old exp values, instead of thottbot pages?

cant get any better proof than thottbot/allakhazam pages