State of a spriest @ fresh realms

[Vengyre 0]

Can one clarify me, due to myself being confused with all these different versions of vanilla guides being written for, can shadow priest get into raids in the current state of fresh realms (8 debuff slots).

Also what about dungeons @ 60, can you still heal those as shadow or contribute enough as DPS? Currently (lvl 48) I feel like shadow priest is a worthy dps/support in dungeons, not topping charts, but offering tons of heal aside from that and still being a bit above of palas and locks.

Don't wanna feel like an idiot insisting that I want to play shadow but at the same time not sure if it is viable at this moment.

[Geston 15]

Dungeons are fine, you wont be a hindrance to the 8 slot limit in a dungeon. But for the most part no spriest wont be in raids until ZG(16 debuff slots). In order to do any sort of respectable dps they need 3 whole slots which is just not worth it at all when you consider the much more important debuffs. Shadow Weaving is great but its just not good enough to inch out the other debuffs and you'd basically just be spamming Mind Blast doing ret pally levels of dps.

 

If you're dead set on playing spriest then id suggest farming dungeons for your pre-raid gear and ranking up in pvp since the blue pvp set is very good for spriest(gets even better when it gets updated).

[Nymis 12]

 

28 minutes ago, Vengyre said:

can shadow priest get into raids in the current state of fresh realms

No, it's very very unlikely unless you make some really good friends who are willing to raid casually. 
 

29 minutes ago, Vengyre said:

Also what about dungeons @ 60, can you still heal those as shadow or contribute enough as DPS?

It is doubtful from my experience as a priest. The Holy tree - while garbage early game - is absolutely amazing endgame. If you heal you'll run out of mana pretty fast and if you damage you'll be subpar to a mage / warlock. 

32 minutes ago, Vengyre said:

Currently (lvl 48) I feel like shadow priest is a worthy dps/support in dungeons, not topping charts, but offering tons of heal aside from that and still being a bit above of palas and locks.

Paladins are the worst DPS class in the game.

Warlocks usually spec Affliction for leveling so if a mob dies under 10 seconds they're going to be low on the damage meters. On long fights and on fights with 2 or more targets, Warlocks will top the meters. Also, Corruption and Immolate have medium/low priority on the debuff list so I believe your SW:P, Mind Flay, Blackout and Shadow Weaving are probably knocking off the Warlock's debuffs. And no, for an Affliction Warlock in a dungeon environment, a 15% increased damage on Shadow Bolt is not a thing that will compensate for knocking their main damaging spells out. 

Warlocks bring a lot more utility to a dungeon group with Healthstones, Soul Stones and summons - not to mention a lot more CC (chainable single-target,multi-target and instant fear, banish, charm and some limited OT capability on the voidwalker) and have a lot less downtime than Shadow Priests (with Life Tap, Drain Life and Siphon Life). Shackle Undead has fairly limited uses, Psychic Scream can't be chained (or targeted) and Spirit Tap is garbage in terms of recovering downtime in dungeons. 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Vengyre said:

I feel like shadow priest is a worthy dps/support in dungeons, not topping charts, but offering tons of heal aside

The heal you get from Vampiric Embrace is pretty terrible. Most of the times it results in a lot of overhealing and when you actually need it it doesn't provide enough to keep anyone up. 

[Nejiri 1]

i wonder about the debuffslots.

 

This was fixed on retail early (long befor BWL and ZG  if i rember correctly). Do we have this limitation here??

Edited February 3, 2017 by Nejiri
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[gotmilk0112 10]

2 hours ago, Geston said:

In order to do any sort of respectable dps they need 3 whole slots which is just not worth it at all when you consider the much more important debuffs. Shadow Weaving is great but its just not good enough to inch out the other debuffs and you'd basically just be spamming Mind Blast doing ret pally levels of dps.

The fuck are you talking about? 3 debuff slots? What? Mind Flay does not take up a debuff slot, bosses are immune to the slow.

 

And no, a single warlock DoT is not more damage than +15% shadow damage.

 

Shadow isn't supposed to do great DPS, it's supposed to provide +15% shadow damage for the warlocks. So yes, you do Ret DPS, but you actually provide a very useful buff to the raid, along with shields/dispels/help with buffing.

[Geston 15]

2 minutes ago, gotmilk0112 said:

The fuck are you talking about? 3 debuff slots? What? Mind Flay does not take up a debuff slot, bosses are immune to the slow.

 

And no, a single warlock DoT is not more damage than +15% shadow damage.

 

Shadow isn't supposed to do great DPS, it's supposed to provide +15% shadow damage for the warlocks. So yes, you do Ret DPS, but you actually provide a very useful buff to the raid, along with shields/dispels/help with buffing.

Woah sorry bud, ok its 2 relax. And no theres still not 2 open debuff slots for you with only 8 slots. And im not talking about warlock dots im talking about way more important curses.

Shadow does great dps once you get 16 debuffs and you can actually use your spells. No guild should bother with a spriest till 16 slots.

[gotmilk0112 10]

3 minutes ago, Geston said:

And no theres still not 2 open debuff slots for you with only 8 slots. And im not talking about warlock dots im talking about way more important curses.

Shadow does great dps once you get 16 debuffs and you can actually use your spells. No guild should bother with a spriest till 16 slots.

I'm not saying you should be using spriests right now. I'm saying that "3 debuff slots" is wrong. Even with 16 debuff slots you shouldn't be using DoTs, because Warlock DoTs do way more damage than Shadow Word: Pain.

[Lorilay 12]

Actually, SW:P is the highest dps dot in the game.

[Suprfli6 3]

5 hours ago, Nejiri said:

i wonder about the debuffslots.

 

This was fixed on retail early (long befor BWL and ZG  if i rember correctly). Do we have this limitation here??

You do not remember correctly. There were only 8 debuff slots until the ZG patch.

[gotmilk0112 10]

50 minutes ago, Lorilay said:

Actually, SW:P is the highest dps dot in the game.

It is? Huh. I read how once 16 debuff slots happens, you use those extra slots to let Warlocks cast Corruption or Curse of Doom.

Edited February 3, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[Lorilay 12]

Depending on how you organize your debuffs, sometimes there's space for 1 lock to cast corruption. DS/Ruin is basically the same DPS and doesn't take up a debuff slot for corruption. Curse of doom is less dps than anything else on the dps list, and is pretty much only good for cheesing meters on adds.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Lorilay

[Nejiri 1]

On 3.2.2017 at 6:51 PM, Suprfli6 said:

You do not remember correctly. There were only 8 debuff slots until the ZG patch.

ZG is out, so  we should have more Debuffslots i guess

[Suprfli6 3]

5 hours ago, Nejiri said:

ZG is out, so  we should have more Debuffslots i guess

ZG is not out on Ely/ZK and won't be for a long time. It is out on the other two realms, and they each have 16 debuff slots.

[Nejiri 1]

u well, didnt read the "fresh realms" /facepalm

I play on Anathema....  so we do not have that "problem" right?

[artan 14]

3 slots are taken if he uses VE (great to support a group of 4 warlocks) but sp's are not in demand this early stage... But you allways have a raid spot as a healer and priest does it very well early game