Weapon combination as a human with edgemasters

[Exeqtt 0]

Greetings,

 

my question is which weapon combinations would be your top 3 as a human with edgemasters. And furthermore how much of a difference ( regarding dps ) you think there is between the combinations. So what I'm thinking is 1. Viskag + CTS | 2. Viskag/CTS + Brutality Blade | 3. Viskag/CTS + Crul'shorukh. Not sure though about the gap between those combinations regarding dps. Please let me know what you think,

Thanks in advance

Stint

[Storfan 24]

For humans.

1: TF+GM 1h sword.

2. Dual GM 1h swords.

3: Viskag+CTS

4: CTS+Crulshorukh

5: CTS+Brutality Blade.

EDIT: Personally I'd go with CTS+Crulshorukh because stamina adds to survivability. After all, a dead damage dealer, deals no damage.

Edited February 4, 2017 by Storfan

[Exeqtt 0]

10 hours ago, Storfan said:

For humans.

1: TF+GM 1h sword.

2. Dual GM 1h swords.

3: Viskag+CTS

4: CTS+Crulshorukh

5: CTS+Brutality Blade.

EDIT: Personally I'd go with CTS+Crulshorukh because stamina adds to survivability. After all, a dead damage dealer, deals no damage.

Thanks Storfan, thats pretty much what I thought. I aim to go for Viskag+CTS. Would you really go with CTS+Crulshorukh over CTS+Brutality Blade and lose the 5 Weaponskill on the Offhand. Or is it not that big of a deal on the offhand? Furthermore how much of a difference you think is between CTS and Viskag in Mainhand dps wise?

[Storfan 24]

10 hours ago, stint said:

Thanks Storfan, thats pretty much what I thought. I aim to go for Viskag+CTS. Would you really go with CTS+Crulshorukh over CTS+Brutality Blade and lose the 5 Weaponskill on the Offhand. Or is it not that big of a deal on the offhand? Furthermore how much of a difference you think is between CTS and Viskag in Mainhand dps wise?

I would take Cruls over Brutality for OH because of the 12dps difference. Also, since you use edgemasters you'll get past 310 skill meaning some diminishing returns starts to set in on weapon skill. Whether Viskag or CTS is best for MH I cannot say, It would depend on the proc-rate of Viskag which I havnt tested myself.

[Zarant 2]

I tested vis'kag with about 3k swings, it has something between 5 to 6% chance.

[Storfan 24]

15 hours ago, Zarant said:

I tested vis'kag with about 3k swings, it has something between 5 to 6% chance.

How was this test conducted? Viskag+shield? What abilities were used? What addon was used to test the proc-rate? Do you have a screenshot of the proc-data?

 

If we assume that the 5% proc-rate is correct, some quick napkin math will yield us this:

((240 x 0.05)/2.6) = 4,615384615384615 DPS

Basically 4.61 DPS added ontop of the base DPS of 55.2 making Viskag 59,61 DPS

Edited February 6, 2017 by Storfan

[Devoth 0]

1 hour ago, Storfan said:

How was this test conducted? Viskag+shield? What abilities were used? What addon was used to test the proc-rate? Do you have a screenshot of the proc-data?

 

If we assume that the 5% proc-rate is correct, some quick napkin math will yield us this:

((240 x 0.05)/2.6) = 4,615384615384615 DPS

Basically 4.61 DPS added ontop of the base DPS of 55.2 making Viskag 59,61 DPS

I've ran it through procwatch aswell. And I'm getting 1.1 PPM, and on Nost I got 2.3 PPM. It's been nerfed pretty bad, and the damage is static. So It does not scale With AP. I did the testing fully world buffed and in raid. So got Legacylogs aswell, which showed the debuff as static. I don't know what combo is best. But I think a good combo might be CTS/Brut blade for humans With edgemasters

[Storfan 24]

11 minutes ago, Devoth said:

I've ran it through procwatch aswell. And I'm getting 1.1 PPM, and on Nost I got 2.3 PPM. It's been nerfed pretty bad, and the damage is static. So It does not scale With AP. I did the testing fully world buffed and in raid. So got Legacylogs aswell, which showed the debuff as static. I don't know what combo is best. But I think a good combo might be CTS/Brut blade for humans With edgemasters

No weapon procs in WoW are done by PPM, only trinket procs and (some) enchant procs whose proc-rate will vary depending on weapon speed. When you need to know to get the math correct is the total number of hits and total amount of procs. Also the method use is very important. You cant use dualwield for example.

[Devoth 0]

Oke, I'll check it out With one hand and Shield. To see if I can get more correct info :)

[Zarant 2]

I did nothing but white swings + hamstring with a shield. And I'm pretty positive it can proc off hamstring and other special attacks. I used DPSMate to track it, i just divided the number of fatal wound procs by the sum of all the hits+crits from all my white swings + specials.

Edited February 6, 2017 by Zarant

[Exeqtt 0]

On 6.2.2017 at 8:49 PM, Zarant said:

I did nothing but white swings + hamstring with a shield. And I'm pretty positive it can proc off hamstring and other special attacks. I used DPSMate to track it, i just divided the number of fatal wound procs by the sum of all the hits+crits from all my white swings + specials.

So we can take 5-6 % as proc as accurate? Then with 59,61 DPS it would be higher than CTS but due to the stats of CTS I would guess it is still slightly better but the gap shouldn't be huge or?

[Storfan 24]

16 minutes ago, stint said:

So we can take 5-6 % as proc as accurate? Then with 59,61 DPS it would be higher than CTS but due to the stats of CTS I would guess it is still slightly better but the gap shouldn't be huge or?

Yes. If 5% proc on Viskag is correct, then CTS would be slightly better.

[Exeqtt 0]

Thanks for the input. Do you know the proc rate on Felstriker Storfan? I got Felstriker and Doom's Edge as OH ( Human with Edgemaster ) and was thinking what is better ( difference between with world buffs and without? ).

[Storfan 24]

13 minutes ago, stint said:

Thanks for the input. Do you know the proc rate on Felstriker Storfan? I got Felstriker and Doom's Edge as OH ( Human with Edgemaster ) and was thinking what is better ( difference between with world buffs and without? ).

I dont know the proc-rate of Felstriker, and even if I did it's not an easy proc to model. I seem to recall that someone else stating that it was great for pre-raid but replaced by pretty much any raid epic that got 50dps or more.

[Exeqtt 0]

@Storfan The spreadsheet gives me a ~4 increase in dps with brutality blade over Crul in OH with CTS in MH. But my question is, what do you think results in higher dps : CTS+Maladath+Flameguard Gauntlets or CTS+Crul/Brutality Blade+Edgemasters as a Human? Was thinking that CTS+Crul/Brut. Blade+Edgemasters was stronger until you get Gauntlets of Annihilation in AQ. But the spreadsheet gives me a 7 dps increase with CTS+Maladath+Flameguard Gauntlets.over the CTS+Crul/Brut.Blade+Edgemasters comb. This also might be due to the spreadsheet weighting Crit too high while being over the White Crit Cap already. What do you think?

[Exeqtt 0]

On 27.2.2017 at 7:25 PM, arucado said:

As human pretty sure CTS+Mala+Flameguards.

Ya, guess the spreadsheet doesn't lie

[Exeqtt 0]

14 hours ago, Ektelion said:

well, as an ally warrior myself, i find Might gloves better tbh, its basically a trade of 1% crit to 1% hit.

ZG Buff is 15% stats, Kings is 10% stats, making might gloves from 22 str to 27.5 str, basically 55 attack power 1% hit 

 

for horde warrior its just 10% less.

flameguard is pure attack power gets no bonuses from % stat buffs

Well yeah being ally and being fully worldbuffed and white crit capped might gloves are better then flameguards. Without being crit capped I would still go with Flemguards.