Gearing a Ret @ Fresh Server - Need Help !

[Arius 0]

Greetings, I've just hit 60 @ Zeth'Kur and I am planning to play Retribution main-spec. If you are here to troll, or say stuff like "lol reroll" "lolret" "go holy wtf noob", please leave now.

I have few questions for our valuable Ret community or anyone with knowledge, really. I am going to raid as Ret, I'll even try to get Nightfall later to help increase my guild raid's performance later. Since there's 8 debuff slots on our server and I (obviously) cannot judge Crusader, what kind of talent-build/item-build should I go for? 

I'm planning on going for a warrior-ish build for now with SoC and maybe low rank consecration, not being able to Judge SotC, no point going for spellpower build for now? Is this correct? 
What kind of items should I go for as in pre-raid or MC ? I don't want to get items that I will change anytime soon over my guild mates, tolerance is low against Rets :)

- Is %8 hit enough? (3 from Prot talent, 5 from gear) 
- Is consec (by any rank) is viable single target?
- How often should I judge SoC?
- Can I tank dungeons by only taking Redoubt from Prot and a little bit Parry from Ret if I have decent defense gear? (Via putting Salv. on party members and using high rank consec) 
- Is it worth going for a SoR build after I get Nightfall even if I cannot judge SotC still?
- Is Lieutenant set worth using in raids even without judging SotC? (I'm soon a Knight, still have to work for this)

I'm also open to any sort of suggestions regarding this matter, I've recently hit 60 and there's so much to do, yet I am stuck in Stormwind! 

Thanks for reading! I'll keep posting if I have new questions, this spec requires A LOT of effort to be at least decent, but I love it.

 

[Dreary 2]

Spell Power builds were killed in a recent patch anyways, you don't need to every worry about it as long as the devs keep taking away our fun

8% is enough if you are using Nightfall (which you should be). Not sure if Nightfall is available on the fresh realms yet though. If using a mace or sword, 6% should be enough at 305 skill.

Consecrate is generally not worth using single-target anymore at any rank. You are better off using your mana for cleanse or other utility spells, most of which do not interrupt your attack timer.

You cannot tank with just Redoubt. The main problem is that you won't have effective threat generation without some of the higher tier talents, or high spell power levels, which you won't have for a very long time.

SoR builds are dead.

The rank sets are amazing for PvP, that's about it. Once you are able to judge crusader (if ever), the gloves become very very strong.

[Dreary 2]

Spell Power builds were killed in a recent patch anyways, you don't need to every worry about it as long as the devs keep taking away our fun

8% is enough if you are using Nightfall (which you should be). Not sure if Nightfall is available on the fresh realms yet though. If using a mace or sword, 6% should be enough at 305 skill.

Consecrate is generally not worth using single-target anymore at any rank. You are better off using your mana for cleanse or other utility spells, most of which do not interrupt your attack timer.

You cannot tank with just Redoubt. The main problem is that you won't have effective threat generation without some of the higher tier talents, or high spell power levels, which you won't have for a very long time.

SoR builds are dead.

The rank sets are amazing for PvP, that's about it. Once you are able to judge crusader (if ever), the gloves become very very strong.

[simppi 3]

Theres no sp gear before 1.9, so in abit over 1 year on fresh servers iirc.

Nightfall is shit on retri pala because uptime is bad compared to offtank or melee hunter. It is also a shit weapon in general for retri.

7-8% hit is enough, 7% for special and 8% for white. (Since you are a human using mace or sword, unless you get Neretzek, then you need 8-9%)

You should have enough mana to be able to spam r1 conse which does 20dps with supreme power and greater arcane.

You should use JoC between swins whenever its off cd and you dont have vengeance up.

With full pre-raid bis gear on fresh server you should have ~750ap and ~26-27% crit iirc.

[Smiter 9]

8% hit yes.

I personally spam max rank conse til I hit 30% mana with mana pots/runes on CD.

Get a swing timer and judge between auto attacks.

SoR has the highest uptime with nightfall in the game but  ur personal dps will be complete shit

Before the pvp set up upgraded it is a pretty good set for rets. Str + crit=godly.

Also I judged crusader with 8 debuff slots back on nost.

SoR only becomes viable with atleast full T2 after it gets upgraded to SP

[Smiter 9]

Also ret can be more than decent:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=59819&Fight=0

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=59819

[Arius 0]

13 hours ago, Smiter said:

8% hit yes.

I personally spam max rank conse til I hit 30% mana with mana pots/runes on CD.

Get a swing timer and judge between auto attacks.

SoR has the highest uptime with nightfall in the game but  ur personal dps will be complete shit

Before the pvp set up upgraded it is a pretty good set for rets. Str + crit=godly.

Also I judged crusader with 8 debuff slots back on nost.

SoR only becomes viable with atleast full T2 after it gets upgraded to SP

Thanks for your responses guys.

Why do you have lifestealing @ your weapon may I ask?

My guild doesn't let me judge crusader so... I'll try gearing like a warrior for now then.

By the way I can hold aggro just fine @ dungeons but the thing is I take too much damage...

[simppi 3]

 

48 minutes ago, Arius said:

Thanks for your responses guys.

Why do you have lifestealing @ your weapon may I ask?

My guild doesn't let me judge crusader so... I'll try gearing like a warrior for now then.

By the way I can hold aggro just fine @ dungeons but the thing is I take too much damage...

Lifestealing gives u more uptime on vengeance
You should not gear like a warrior, you should gear like a retri pala. Hitcap is more important for retri than for warr, and crit is 2nd most important for retri while str/ap is 2nd most important for warr.

[Smiter 9]

Gearing like a warrior is really the only option on the fresh realm. U can prolly get some of the hybrid T1 tho if u want more int but u should honestly be fine on mana in MC/BWL with just mana pots/runes

[athero 0]

16 hours ago, Smiter said:

Also ret can be more than decent:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=59819&Fight=0

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=59819

Yeah check gear of those warriors who did almost the same dps as ret :)

[killerduki 54]

4 hours ago, athero said:

Yeah check gear of those warriors who did almost the same dps as ret :)

I hope time come when i get going with gear progress etc, you will see how mistaken you could be.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Arius 0]

I am a human using 2h sword @ 305 skill, do I still need 8% hit?

[Judgement 0]

Ret@Elysium here, Im currently using a fast weapon with SotC, spamming rank1 conse with some max ranks if I can afford it. I've mostly geared as a warrior but I focus on crit and hit and its working OK. I was top10 dps on several bosses in MC last reset without judging SotC.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=59697&Fight=0

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=59697&Fight=2

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=59697&Fight=5

No amazing numbers but comparing to the other DPS It's ok and my gear Is not very optimized yet and I did not use many consumables.

Got MC tonight gonna try to increase the numbers a bit then :)

[Judgement 0]

Nightfall won't be available for you until BWL if I'm correct, so don't bother thinking about that now. Try to get Doomsaw from Rend or Axe from BRD as a start if you want a slow weapon, You could also craft Arcanite Reaper. Or you can do like me and get a fast 2h, The Needler is a good start, cheap from AH. If u have gold to spare I'd suggest Brain Hacker or Blade of Hanna if they are available. There are also 2 dungeon drops that are fast, Barovian Family Sword & Demonshear.

[killerduki 54]

Problem with the Rotation you do Judgement is that, won't work currently, SotC and spamming Conse was with Bugged abilities like Consecration scalling with Attack Power , now it is fixed and the rotation you mention is bad and low dps.

SoC/JoC with JoTC will give you the dps , SoTC is bad and reason why you are so low , especially using Warrior Gear where most of the time you OOM .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited February 13, 2017 by killerduki

[Judgement 0]

Hi Killerduki, problem is I havent been able to get any good slow 2h weapon yet. best one I have is Fist of Omokk, compared to my fast weapon Blackblade of Sharam which also gives a few group-wide buffs. You think I would get higher DPS with Fist of Omokk and SoC?

To clarify, Blackblade of Sharam is 2.3 speed in the current patch, not 3.5 as it is later

 

Edited February 13, 2017 by Judgement

[killerduki 54]

5 hours ago, Judgement said:

Hi Killerduki, problem is I havent been able to get any good slow 2h weapon yet. best one I have is Fist of Omokk, compared to my fast weapon Blackblade of Sharam which also gives a few group-wide buffs. You think I would get higher DPS with Fist of Omokk and SoC?

To clarify, Blackblade of Sharam is 2.3 speed in the current patch, not 3.5 as it is later

 

Use JoTC and SoR/JoR (JoR can proc you vengeance upon crit) is much higher Dps instead SoTC, if someone put Judge of Wisdom , using SoR gives you plenty of mana and that allows you to optimize maximum dps.

SoR will also cause more procs from your weapon compate to SoTc and this will also increase the DPS .

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited February 13, 2017 by killerduki

[Judgement 0]

4 hours ago, killerduki said:

Use JoTC and SoR/JoR (JoR can proc you vengeance upon crit) is much higher Dps instead SoTC, if someone put Judge of Wisdom , using SoR gives you plenty of mana and that allows you to optimize maximum dps.

SoR will also cause more procs from your weapon compate to SoTc and this will also increase the DPS .

/Kind regards Killerduki

My guild don't allow me to use JoTC on bosses in raid, is it still worth to use SoR/JoR?

[Theloras 108]

Judge Wisdom instead and yes, you can still use SoR/JoR while spamming max rank consecration

[killerduki 54]

4 hours ago, Judgement said:

My guild don't allow me to use JoTC on bosses in raid, is it still worth to use SoR/JoR?

Like Theloras said , Judge of Wisdom and SoR / JoR  , SoR will cause extra mana regen and increase twice the procs from your weapon.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[simppi 3]

On 2017-02-13 at 4:17 AM, Arius said:

I am a human using 2h sword @ 305 skill, do I still need 8% hit?

I'd say yes, it's easy to get so no point not getting it, @300 skill, you need 8%hit for specials and 9% for white hits, thats lowered to 7/8% with 305 skill.

[simppi 3]

On 2017-02-13 at 9:48 AM, Judgement said:

Nightfall won't be available for you until BWL if I'm correct, so don't bother thinking about that now. Try to get Doomsaw from Rend or Axe from BRD as a start if you want a slow weapon, You could also craft Arcanite Reaper. Or you can do like me and get a fast 2h, The Needler is a good start, cheap from AH. If u have gold to spare I'd suggest Brain Hacker or Blade of Hanna if they are available. There are also 2 dungeon drops that are fast, Barovian Family Sword & Demonshear.

Best pre-raid wep for human paladin, xept TuF is http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12796