Leclerc 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2017 I'd like to get some confirmation regarding PvP flagging. Today I was farming some devilsaurs and whenever there was competition for it I'd turn my pvp on to hopefully get competition flagged and killed and get my devilsaur. Doing this I can make sure that person on the spawn spot next to me cannot spam TAB and a damaging ability to target devilsaur and tag it before me - his tab would target me, he'd hit me, he'd get flagged and I'd have a chance to kill him. If the devilsaur spawns and I tag it, people tend to attack me to kill me together with the devilsaur - in this case I just vanish and kill the person who now also has devilsaur on him because he also tried to tag it. Also if a devilsaur spawns and the rogue is faster than me, tags it, starts attacking it but is dumb enough to turn his blade flurry on, he gets tagged and I kill him. After doing this for about 2-3 hours I get whispered by a GM that I'm being warned that I'm abusing a bug, that my account now "has a warning" for bug abuse and that if similar behavior continues I'd get banned. I was not aware that PvP tagging was in any way bannable. I made sure to read the rules when I made the account and it said nothing about PvP tagging being against the rules. Upon further research I found out in another forum post that walking in another persons AoE to flag him is indeed against the rules: posted by Tyche in https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/30299-alliance-griefing/?page=2 Quote Hi all - We discussed this a few weeks ago. The TOU will be updated to reflect the following shortly: Running into an opposing factions AOE for the sole purpose of flagging that player for PVP combat on the PVE server is considered griefing. Yes, it was fixed later by Blizz, and will be fixed once we reach that same patch of the fix. Will it get you banned? No. Will a GM investigate it and advise you that it's considered griefing? Yes. We don't consider this bug abused, but we do consider it griefing. Tyche Hi there, Yes we are aware of the bug you mentioned - thanks for submitting your evidence to the bug tracker :) The system is not perfect - and we're following Blizzard's patch progression. At the end of the day it all comes down to intention. If a GM believes that a player is intentionally using this mechanic to bypass the pvp status and bring people into PVP when they don't want to, on a PVE server, then that intention is what we would take action on. Sure there will be times where it won't happen on purpose, but I highly doubt those times will be reported, and consistent. Tyche First of all, the GM said that I was warned and my account flagged for bug abuse. However this seems wrong as it's clearly stated here that it's not a bug. Quote We don't consider this bug abused, but we do consider it griefing. Secondly, GM told me I'd get banned for this. Again, another story is here on the forums: Quote Will it get you banned? No. Will a GM investigate it and advise you that it's considered griefing? Yes. Did I get advised that it's considered griefing? No. I got told I was exploiting a bug. Here's the screenshot of the full GM conversation: In the start I doubted that it was really a GM because there was no blue blizzard icon, I guess it just didn't exist in the vanilla. I was happy with the answers GM provided me with until I've read this forum post. After reading forum post I'm starting to doubt everything he said, as most of it is, according to the forum post, wrong. GM also doubted that I'm farming devilsaurs and obviously thought that I'm here just to kill players, while I had 22 devilsaur leathers in my bags all collected within 3 hours of this GM conversation. So I'd like some confirmations, first of all: Quote Running into an opposing factions AOE for the sole purpose of flagging that player for PVP combat on the PVE server is considered griefing. If my sole purpose is to get the devilsaur, and that means standing on a devilsaur spawn spot with pvp on in hopes that competition gets flagged and killed. Is that allowed or not, since the sole purpose is not pvp, it's the devilsaur. All those people can just go away for all I care and I won't chase them if they don't touch my devilsaur. Today they seemed to prefer staying and getting themselves flagged with blade flurry. Secondly: If this is not bug abuse but griefing and not bannable according to the forum post, then why does my account, according to a GM, now have a warning for abusing a bug, and a threat to be banned? While these first two concerns are not very important, as I obviously won't be doing this anymore knowing the risk, I want to ask the most important question here: If a random alliance who doesn't like me decides that he wants me banned, finds me with my PvP on after I leave battleground, throws a blizzard on me, gets himself flagged and then reports me, is there a chance I get banned for it? Now that my account already has a warning I'm really worried about it. A GM already answered this with a no, but seeing how other information provided collide with what's written on the forum I'd like a confirmation. I really care for my account, I've invested a lot of time in it, never received any warnings or anything similar in 11 years of playing World of Warcraft on multiple servers, and would hate to lose it over a warning for something that I wasn't even aware was wrong, something that's been allowed on retail for a decade. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotmilk0112 10 Report post Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Don't try to tread the line between legal and illegal. Since it's impossible to know whether you meant to do something like this or not, GMs will often just assume you are trying to do it, and ban you. Especially now that you've actually talked to a GM about it, thus confirming you know about it, yeah, I wouldn't risk doing it. Edited February 24, 2017 by gotmilk0112 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leclerc 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, gotmilk0112 said: Don't try to tread the line between legal and illegal. Since it's impossible to know whether you meant to do something like this or not, GMs will often just assume you are trying to do it, and ban you. Especially now that you've actually talked to a GM about it, thus confirming you know about it, yeah, I wouldn't risk doing it. I'm not going to risk anything, I'm never turning my pvp on again on Darrowshire. What I'm worried about is if an ally can find me after I've left BG and still flagged, AoE me, report me, and get me banned. In other words, is it safe for me to leave major city while PvP flagged now, or do I have to wait for it to expire in order to be completely sure I won't get banned. Now that I have "a warning" it really worries me. Edited February 25, 2017 by Leclerc 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotmilk0112 10 Report post Posted February 25, 2017 33 minutes ago, Leclerc said: What I'm worried about is if an ally can find me after I've left BG and still flagged, AoE me, report me, and get me banned. Uh...no. GMs have logs of every action you make, every place you move to, etc. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunari 3 Report post Posted February 25, 2017 So you're worried about getting out of a BG, running out of Org, getting hit by an AoE and getting reported? Stop worrying. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
