Wienersteve, a cautionary tale.

[milz 0]

My alt that i have been ranking was not banned while steve got a 2week suspension. I basically played in every game with him late NA times. Its not about getting steve unbanned, his suspension is up but it was a suspension that prevented him from getting rank 14 on his final week that he never should have recieved. When the alliance premades decide they would rather 5cap pugs than try against a horde premade, why should any of the ppl who were temporarily banned for 1-2weeks be punished for this? 

 

[Dooze 0]

I can't wrap my brain around the ban of Wienersteve, since we have been playing together ever since the relaunch. 
We have been premading since relaunch, and the premade we played in together, even took the steps to report some alliancepremade who suggested wintrading. So i know that Wienersteve share my morals when it comes to malicious pvp-activity, and would NEVER engage in this. 

Edited March 8, 2017 by Dooze

[Hurricane2 2]

13 minutes ago, milz said:

When the alliance premades decide they would rather 5cap pugs than try against a horde premade, why should any of the ppl who were temporarily banned for 1-2weeks be punished for this? 

 

Are you sure this is what you meant to say?  That clearly is against the rules and should not be a temporary ban but a permanent one with no warning.

[Haestingas 30]

GL to you Steve, by all accounts doesn't look like you deserved this severe punishment.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Haestingas

[milz 0]

its against the rules to get placed in a game against alliance rankers that dont try? They dont try because rather than have a GOOD 15-20min game win or lose, they want to get out of the game fast and take instant queues against horde pugs that afk at the site of rank 12+. What about that is banable as a horde player?

Edited March 8, 2017 by milz

[Hurricane2 2]

9 minutes ago, milz said:

its against the rules to get placed in a game against alliance rankers that dont try? They dont try because rather than have a GOOD 15-20min game win or lose, they want to get out of the game fast and take instant queues against horde pugs that afk at the site of rank 12+. What about that is banable as a horde player?

If you join a BG and don't try you will be banned as you should be.  I think we're getting off topic here because the op did not say that he did this.  If he did then he should have been been perma banned.

[milz 0]

What ive said is the context of a screenshot that is the only evidence for several horde rankers being temporarily banned. A full alliance premade were at they're spawn not attacking while horde had all 5 bases 

Edited March 8, 2017 by milz

[Hurricane2 2]

18 minutes ago, milz said:

A full alliance premade were at they're spawn not attacking while horde had all 5 bases 

I hope they enjoy their ban.

[Haps 1]

6 hours ago, Akuta said:

Greetings Wienersteve,

 

Firstly I want to assure the entire community that we take banning people, even temporarily very seriously and we do not intend, nor stand behind bans that are done without evidence. 

Wienersteve, did you appeal your ban? I can see you had an issue in December that we helped you with, but nothing since then. If you had appealed your ban we would have taken a more detailed look and if there is no evidence we would have immediately unbanned you (as has been the case many times). If you did appeal could you DM me the details because I can't see it.

To all of the community - if you were banned and believe it was unreasonable we always recommend you appeal. The GM who reviews the appeal is always a different GM to the one that banned, and if there is no evidence provided we will overturn the Ban's. 

 

If you have any questions, or want to talk more your always welcome to reach out to us via in-game tickets.

 

The GM team.

A two week suspension is nothing much but taking away a toons rank 14 is waaaaay over the top, no one cares about the ban anymore that shit is cleared but taking his rank is just immensely unfair.

He did the honest work to get r14, got a suspension for that AND looses his rank? Was this agreed upon internally that he had earned this kind of punishment or did you just 'fire and forget'?

How come people that got their sentence reduced to one week still got their rank? Is this also intentional or just something that happened?

 

 

He did the work.

He did the time.

Give him his money weapons.

[gunzbngbng 0]

I am a non-ranker who enjoys PvP.  I spent many hours hanging out in the same discord chats as Wienersteve.  I can vouch for the authenticity of his claims.  Every single game I was in with him, every single game I was listening to waiting for a spot, was played with the intention of winning by everyone in the group.  I was there when the alliance were dodging queues, I was there when we were winning AB's after being down 1-4 cap.  We never stopped playing, we never stopped trying to win.

His ban should have never happened and he should have received rank 14.  Furthermore, I was banned before honor reset and unbanned after.  My rank% went up.  His rank has been clearly tampered with.

Source:  I am a player that was banned and unbanned for being implicated in exactly the same screenshot.  GM Pottu personally responded to my appeal thread, apologizing for the error.  The same should be done for Steve.

Thank you for your time.

-Gunz

[Haps 1]

1 hour ago, Hurricane2 said:

If you join a BG and don't try you will be banned as you should be.  I think we're getting off topic here because the op did not say that he did this.  If he did then he should have been been perma banned.

Clearly you don't know how  honor grinding works. Alliance premades afk's against horde premades ALL THE TIME for several reasons: alliance has instant queue's and horde has a shitload of pug pvp'ers so they get sub 7 minute wins in wsg and ab (vs pugs) compare that honor pr hour to the honor pr hour you get from 30 minute ab's or several hours of wsg(if neither team gives up this really does happen)

As a horde ranker you will frequently get whispers from lvl 6 hordes asking "first cap gets free 3 cap"(wsg) or "first team to 1000 gets to 5 cap" / "the team that wins bs fight gets to 5 cap"(ab) and same thing happens every time: horde rankers says no, with anywhere from 10-60 minute queue's you simply cant afford to just throw games.

Alliance afk's against anything that will drag out the game's they are in because the honor pr hour will be much greater that way, horde is almost the same: they will afk on anything that is an obvious loss for the sake of getting out of the game and getting in the next queue as fast as possible.

[Hurricane2 2]

6 minutes ago, Haps said:

Clearly you don't know how  honor grinding works. Alliance premades afk's against horde premades ALL THE TIME for several reasons: alliance has instant queue's and horde has a shitload of pug pvp'ers so they get sub 7 minute wins in wsg and ab (vs pugs) compare that honor pr hour to the honor pr hour you get from 30 minute ab's or several hours of wsg(if neither team gives up this really does happen)

As a horde ranker you will frequently get whispers from lvl 6 hordes asking "first cap gets free 3 cap"(wsg) or "first team to 1000 gets to 5 cap" / "the team that wins bs fight gets to 5 cap"(ab) and same thing happens every time: horde rankers says no, with anywhere from 10-60 minute queue's you simply cant afford to just throw games.

Alliance afk's against anything that will drag out the game's they are in because the honor pr hour will be much greater that way, horde is almost the same: they will afk on anything that is an obvious loss for the sake of getting out of the game and getting in the next queue as fast as possible.

The admins on these forums have explicitly stated this against the rules and players will be banned for it.

[Haps 1]

3 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

The admins on these forums have explicitly stated this against the rules and players will be banned for it.

When its organized win trading, yes.

When its one team is choosing not to fight to get more honor pr hour, no.

[Hurricane2 2]

14 minutes ago, Haps said:

When its organized win trading, yes.

When its one team is choosing not to fight to get more honor pr hour, no.

This exact scenario was addressed about a week ago and is a banable offense according to the admins.  

Edited March 8, 2017 by Hurricane2

[Prontx 0]

Greetings.

I have a long history with Wienersteve inside the game World of warcraft.

We have played alot together, and spent alot of hours grinding dungeons/consumables farming. Steve told me when he wanted to pursue the Rank14 dream, and i told him its going to take a while. 
- But if Steve sets his mind up for something, he will do what it takes to reach the goal. But when he wants to grind something, he does it with style. Steve would never wintrade or pay anyone to help him get what he wants, he earn things honestly and provides a healthy community arround him while doing so.

Taking away his earned title is not sain, this guy earned his way to High Warlord.

- Prontx 

 

[Jimmy 2]

#Freewienersteve

[Reverentt 0]

1 hour ago, Haps said:

A two week suspension is nothing much but taking away a toons rank 14 is waaaaay over the top, no one cares about the ban anymore that shit is cleared but taking his rank is just immensely unfair.

He did the honest work to get r14, got a suspension for that AND looses his rank? Was this agreed upon internally that he had earned this kind of punishment or did you just 'fire and forget'?

How come people that got their sentence reduced to one week still got their rank? Is this also intentional or just something that happened?

 

 

He did the work.

He did the time.

Give him his money weapons.

This x1000

The man played countless hours to grind the PvP system to R14,  played in thousands of BG's.  Two hours prior to getting R14 it gets stripped away from him because he happened to be in one allegedly shady game out of the thousands he has done, this is so wrong. 

I hope Elysium will seriously look into correcting this injustice.

 

[wickedwizard 2]

#wienersoutforwiener

Edited March 9, 2017 by wickedwizard

[Haps 1]

On 3/8/2017 at 4:04 PM, Akuta said:

If you have any questions, or want to talk more your always welcome to reach out to us via in-game tickets.

@Akuta I might have come off a bit strong in my previous post but I really was hoping for some answers. 

Did multiple gm's agree that a two weeks suspension AND loosing the rank was a fair punishment? Or did he just get the suspension and then the server's scripting took care of his rank?

Did one gm stand for the initial ban wave and the following cleanup came from gm's actually talking together about what really happened and what type of dmg control to do?(that is the impression I am left with when I look back at this whole thing)

[Marshuni 0]

He earned R14 and they stole it?

[Storfan 24]

Let me get this straight. He got stipped of his rank because they won every single BG? Basically crushing other premades? So no actual "trading" took place? Chinese premades just forfeited?

Seems like a pretty unfair ban to me. I'm sure this was a GM mistake (we're all human after all) but surely even a GM should be able to own up to a mistake and remedy this?

[Peplawl 0]

Well, the unfortunate part about the initial ban was that he was pressured by the single GM with an ultimatum. When he heard of others receiving weapons while suspended he chose not to appeal because he didn't want to talk to GMs and just take the two week.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Peplawl

[deathbrgr 0]

#R14LIVESMATTER