[Elysium] Update PVP reward armor in 1.7 (followup)

[QQsya 4]

Foreword: The previous thread a month and a half or so ago generated a lot of views and controversy, with over 2.5k views and 150 replies and many people giving their opinions.  It was then locked, with a post from a staff member thanking everyone for their input and promising to look into it.  With 1.7 on the horizon, many people I talk to and pvp with(and against) regularly are wondering if it's indeed been looked in to or if a decision has been reached.  I hope I can be excused for re-creating a locked topic, but this is an issue that's close to boiling over among rankers. 

Basically, the pvp rank reward items as they currently are are not very good.  They are similar in power and stats to updated tier 1 items.  Now that Blackwing Lair has released and tier 2 items are available, more and more people are starting to question the wisdom and practicality of putting in the huge amount of time required to get to rank 13 or rank 14, when one lucky BWL run could get you better items for most slots while only taking a few hours instead of a few months. Elysium staff have already shown a willingness to make non "blizz-exact" changes in the name of balance and playability. The update to rank 14 weapons in 1.6 was blizzlike, and shows that even back then Blizzard was aware that there was a power gap between then-current PVE items and PVP items, but that they were simply too slow to act on it in the case of the armor. 

The updated items are quite similar in stats and power to tier 2 items or 1.6 BiS, but having players who've already ranked be given tier 2 near-equivalent gear this early in BWL progression would give them an unfair advantage.  Therefore I suggest to wait until 1.7, with the release of Zul'gurub, as was done on Nostalrius.  According to the currently posted timeline, this will be in October, which should give even the slowest guilds plenty of time in BWL, before giving rankers their BWL-equivalent items.

 

Stat comparison between updated rank 7/8/10("blue"), rank 12/13("epic") pvp armor, and tier 2/1.6 BiS items:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s9CLO31HDTjs2qPAn2FILB1dulLm1kup3G5Ih-Wrorg/

[smarac 0]

well I agree with you to some extent ... 

What I dont agree with is going to one raid and gearing yourself in gear thats better than rank 14 items ... 

I can tell you from my 5 months of clearing MC and Ony that items just dont drop for us .... we never got Bonereaver's Edge and we killed Ragnaros many many times, Mageblade .... 2 times dropped, like we just dont get mage items, some T1 items never dropped like ... boots for warriors only 1 dropped 3 weeks ago, warlocks ... first last week ... and so on.

So I would say that if you arent lucky it will take you few months to gear up.

[QQsya 4]

Yeah of course, I'm not saying that's a regular or even common occurrence, that's why I said "lucky".  But the fact remains that it's possible, and in any one raid you're pretty likely to get at least one item until there's only a few left that you need. If you get one item you need per week over about 3 months, you'll be fully geared out in about the same timespan it'd take you to finish ranking, and you'd have better gear than if you'd ranked.  So many people are starting to wonder what the point even is.

[Caber 4]

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[flowqz 34]

15 hours ago, QQsya said:

Yeah of course, I'm not saying that's a regular or even common occurrence, that's why I said "lucky".  But the fact remains that it's possible

if you would be the only guy to get loot its possible if you are lucky with a pretty low chance like 0.01%. so far its pretty unrealistic, unless your lootcouncil concists of egomaniacs.

 

15 hours ago, QQsya said:

If you get one item you need per week over about 3 months, you'll be fully geared out in about the same timespan it'd take you to finish ranking, and you'd have better gear than if you'd ranked.  So many people are starting to wonder what the point even is.

if you are talking about tierset items, this might be true. its wrong if you are talking about items like weapons. over the last 6 months my guild had 2mageblades and 1 viskagg and since the lootupdate we didnt get a peditionsblade or corehoundtooth, so i dont really see ppl gearing up faster than ranking.

[QQsya 4]

The rank 14 weapons have already been updated and aren't a part of the subject of this thread, so yes, I only mean items like tier pieces, or other armor items.