Stinkyqueue, the saviour of Av weekend?

[Tribe2 0]

Hi guys, 

This is something I've been thinking about suggesting since Av launched on Elysium. I don't expect everyone to agree, infact it's quite a polarising issue, but I would like to suggest it nonetheless.

I propose that Elysium allows players to use scripts and addons like stinkyqueue in order to circumvent the Av queue system allowing the leader of a raid to queue his group for Av.

There are a number of reasons why I feel this would be a good change for the server, which I will outline below.

First of all, this is actually blizzlike. For a server claiming to try to emulate retail vanilla in the best way possible, sanctioning players for such addons directly contradicts that aim.

Secondly, the playerbase has changed since retail vanilla, a lot of players use and abuse Av as their own personal farming ground. How many times have you seen 15 people ignoring objectives and running straight for the lotus spawn? As if that's not bad enough, they then do their utmost to extend the game through "turtling" with the intention of re-gathering the valuable herbs and minerals Av has to offer. Inexperienced and nostalgic players get dewy eyed over memories of epic 24 hours Av games without realising that those games are a nightmare. It's incredible how frustrating it is to be unable to play with your friends and being forced to play with people who are not playing to win, and who's only intention when joining a game is to camp black lotus spawns as opposed to playing with people you know. I would argue that this is completely against the spirit of the game. "Don't team up with your friends and play the game, here are 35 randoms to play with who don't speak your language, enjoy". Doesn't seem in the Vanilla spirit to me.

Furthermore, the factions are inherrantly unbalanced on Av weekends. You may have noticed that Alliance have a much easier time in Av, not in the game itself, but because the queue system favours those with the smaller player pool. Alliance premades have the luxury of keeping their premades together much more successfully than horde can. Alliance premades are able to abuse the queue system in order to open a fresh game for themselves where they get a minimum of 30 players from their premade into the same game. This is called fish queueing and is achieved when the leader of a premade queues repeatedly, leaving the queue if the pop is instant. When the leader does not get a queue pop immediately, it means the server is trying to open a fresh game. At this point, he tells the rest of his team to queue and there you have it, a fresh game opens with his full team at his disposal. Horde are unable to do this and have to resort to queueing together on a countdown, a very rudimentary system which adds a massive aspect of randomness when horde attempt to play together.

This is all coming from someone who has ranked on both factions, and has exalted on both factions in Av. I hold no bias in this, I just feel it would be a more enjoyable experience for everyone, and would allow horde rankers to compete more evenly with alliance premades on Av weekends.

Thank you for your consideration.

[TheRealJindo 1]

I support this. Everytime there is a turtle AV people massively afk out to avoid the 10 hour long battles. With the group queue system you can at least avoid them and actually work together towards the objective of the BG.

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A this point i don't even think that stinkyqueue would allow you to queue as effectivly as alliance does 

 

[Vesperwin 0]

Addon usage (Stinkyque) Doesnt really helps the situation.  I see no point  in not introducing Group que. As it would filter prem vs. prem games,  while solo players can  enjoy longer games. And it would fix all the issues mentioned above.  

[Tribe2 0]

4 minutes ago, multimage said:

A this point i don't even think that stinkyqueue would allow you to queue as effectivly as alliance does 

 

Stinkyqueue queues your entire raid, a good premade can win in 6/7 minutes comfortably. It becomes a race between the Premades and it's actually quite exciting and rewarding gameplay. Horde absolutely would be able to queue as effectively as alliance, essentially it would completely level the playing field.

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group Q would level the playing field

 

[Tribe2 0]

2 minutes ago, Vesperwin said:

Addon usage (Stinkyque) Doesnt really helps the situation.  I see no point  in not introducing Group que. As it would filter prem vs. prem games,  while solo players can  enjoy longer games. And it would fix all the issues mentioned above.  

Stinkyqueue does exactly the same, without altering the server and creating another non-blizzlike aspect.