AZUREGOS DESPAWNED BECAUSE OF SERVER ISSUES

[Adoah 0]

2 hours ago, Rain said:

Shutting down the realm would have been the same as disabling the mobs that we disabled for the 10 minutes while we fixed the connection issues people were having, except it would have affected 1000 people rather than 30. World bosses are meant to be world pvp oriented - not something to be taken advantage of because of server issues and then complaining when the fight becomes fair.

I personally don't care who kills Azuregos - but I do care that our realm was inaccessible to anyone logging in for a period of time. That takes priority over anything happening on the realm at the time.

There could have been numerous ways to handle the situation that went down this morning in regards to Azuregos. The decision made by the GM team was one that completely interferes with the gameplay of players. Yes, for one, shutting down the server completely would have been a better option than what happened. The arguments were made to be "fair" to both factions and have a fair fight by the Alliance is an invalid argument. 

Is it "fair" to interrupt a mid battle and sabotage a potential kill of a world boss? Is it also "unfair" when BOTH factions could NOT login, but one faction had a better community that were online to kill the boss? And if you THINK it is unfair, how is that the fault of the said faction having a of players that were faster to help that were ALREADY online?

How can you say it's unfair that Alliance cannot login to put up a fight, when Horde were not allowed to login either? The login crash was not faction based. 
The argument of the decision being made was because it would have been a "fair" fight is absurd. 

What should have happened after the mistake of despawning the boss, was to reset the spawn timer of Azuregos and have both factions scout again. That would've been the most fair decision after the fact of making it unfair (by despawning the boss in the first place). 

Yes you fucked up, but you don't even take responsibility. That is where the disappointment settles in and the trust is lost between players and the people running this server.

Edited April 20, 2018 by Adoah

[Effi28 0]

21 minutes ago, Adoah said:

There could have been numerous ways to handle the situation that went down this morning in regards to Azuregos. The decision made by the GM team was one that completely interferes with the gameplay of players. Yes, for one, shutting down the server completely would have been a better option than what happened. The arguments were made to be "fair" to both factions and have a fair fight by the Alliance is an invalid argument. 

Is it "fair" to interrupt a mid battle and sabotage a potential kill of a world boss? Is it also "unfair" when BOTH factions could NOT login, but one faction had a better community that were online to kill the boss? And if you THINK it is unfair, how is that the fault of the said faction having a of players that were faster to help that were ALREADY online?

How can you say it's unfair that Alliance cannot login to put up a fight, when Horde were not allowed to login either? The login crash was not faction based. 
The argument of the decision being made was because it would have been a "fair" fight is absurd. 

What should have happened after the mistake of despawning the boss, was to reset the spawn timer of Azuregos and have both factions scout again. That would've been the most fair decision after the fact of making it unfair (by despawning the boss in the first place). 

Yes you fucked up, but you don't even take responsibility. That is where the disappointment settles in and the trust is lost between players and the people running this server.

A GM even wrote BEFORE the fight, that it is unfair to encouter Azuregos right now.

Imagine a new patch drops and AQ opens and one raid is logged out while another raid is already logged in and can raid (get server firsts).
Would that be fair?

Edited April 20, 2018 by Effi28

[Adoah 0]

1 minute ago, Effi28 said:

 

 

1 minute ago, Effi28 said:

A GM even wrote BEFORE the fight, that it is unfair to encouter Azuregos right now.

Imagine a new patch drops and AQ opens and one raid is logged out while another raid is already logged in and can raid (get server firsts).
Would that be fair?

For one, AQ is an event that needs to be opened externally. A world boss spawn is an internal clock with the server. Therefore, you're not making an incorrect analogy. In your example, you're right it would be unfair. But in this example, having people that WERE ALREADY online waiting for a timer to spawn (an internal clock with the server) is NOT unfair. It is however, unlucky that you guys were not all online during that time. And if you're referring to Fulzamoth, he said "It is unreasonable to suggest that the game should be shutdown just to make it 'fair'"

[kdubs89 0]

I just cannot understand why you wouldnt just let the boss go down. 

1. You have said you wouldnt interfere in World Boss events.

2. Both factions had login issues.

3. Azuregos will respawn in a few days.

Wouldnt letting the boss go down and sticking to your “we do not interfere” statement allow you to remain impartial? Wouldnt this also present a better image to the community? Yes, you would have allys complaining that it was unfair because they could not login. However, ally not being able to login is a server issue that is not the horde players fault. They put the time in and the work and should he rewarded. 

[flankstekarn 0]

I mean, there are tons of ways this spawn could have been handled better. Several ways posted in the forum thread here. But the fact you choose the worst option out of all and then neither admitted your wrong doing or retraced on your action, show you care more about one side of these arguments than the other when we both have reasons or could have had reasons to feel cheated. Thats why me on horde side feel cheated and unjustly treated, cause u traded our happiness for the alliance side

[Nodl 0]

8 hours ago, Rain said:

" not something to be taken advantage of because of server issues and then complaining when the fight becomes fair."

This is incredibly insulting. It was a fair situation, everyone who was logged in could join a group on either faction for the fight. The login server was down for everyone.

Horde doesn't have a crack team of 40 who will set alarms for world bosses and horde doesn't have a ton of rank 14s, and we don't have GM's addressing the "fairness" of that situation do we? Because nothing about WoW is designed with fairness in mind until all of a sudden it is and a random gnome shows up. There has been rumors of GM/dev interference since very early and I can't think of a better way to sabotage the appearance of integrity on your team than  with comments like this.

Why was that gnome GM snooping us fight azuregos if he wasn't personally invested in the kill? Shouldn't he have been working on getting logins up not caring so hard about if we killed a boss? Nothing adds up about this at all.

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by Nodl

[JoeMc1989 0]

It is in my opinion that the server may have several corruption issues, particularly with world bosses. In this event de-spawning a boss in the middle of a fight to exercise fairness is not the way to keep players happy. This affects alot of people on this server and discourages players to even consider world bosses and progression. It is in my understanding that this was a pure judgement call of one person.

I would like to see a detailed report of the issues (login and Azuregos) and reasoning behind the de-spawn. 

 

[Jochem 0]

Even when you would leave out alliance favoritism, this was handled poorly in my opinion and the GM's should take responsibility and admit that mistakes were made. I understand it's not easy to make decisions sometimes in tense situations like that, but the least you can do is apologize. 

[vegetariskapa 0]

1 hour ago, Nodl said:

This is incredibly insulting. It was a fair situation, everyone who was logged in could join a group on either faction for the fight. The login server was down for everyone.

Horde doesn't have a hardcore guild who will set alarms for world bosses and horde doesn't have a ton of rank 14s, and we sure as hell don't have GM's addressing the "fairness" of that situation do we? Because nothing about WoW is designed with fairness in mind, until all of a sudden it is (according to what we are seeing from insanity like this). There has been rumors of GM/dev interference since VERY early I can't think of a better way to sabotage the appearance of integrity on your team and  with comments like this after this. Why was that dev snooping us fight azuregos if he wasn't personally invested in the kill? Nothing adds up about this at all.

It seems when faction balance comes to PVE balance of horde/ally (sham/pal), your team is "blizzlike". But when a ragtag horde coalition almost takes a worldboss with login servers down- a lead dev personally takes the call, trolls the horde group with a toon in azshara , waits until we are actually able to kill it then despawns it right in front of everone. Complete with system messages that it won't respawn until the hardcore guild can logon and get their 50th azuregos kill.

Every single horde guild.. what's left of them.. saw this tonight.

And you say we were taking advantage of server issues now complaining? We had this coming? ridiculous.

 

 

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[Hioney 0]

It's fair to think you need to disable the bosses or restart the server when issues arise.

You could disable bosses proactively before any team engages them when server issues arise. If this is done just reset the spawn-cycle again to a shorter time or something. If you really want factions to fight for it/pvp, you will have to check for a consistent number or horde and alliance to be on place before you make it killable again.

It's not fair to despawn a world boss when it's about to die because you think the other faction should have a "fair" go for it later. The boss kill would have ended up better killed WITH server issues than the later. 

[Chess 3]

Listen to the people, and just give em some free loot as they worked their asses off. This is the time you need to act like a GM.

 

[fixpvp 0]

i couldnt care less about world boss or loot please fix pvp

[Thenari 0]

lol this whole forum is a bitch fest :P

the more I learn about what happened the shittier it looks

I think the situation is shitty but im not gonna argue against Daddy @Rain

Edited April 20, 2018 by Thenari

[Llama 0]

12 minutes ago, Chess said:

Listen to the people, and just give em some free loot as they worked their asses off. This is the time you need to act like a GM.

 

Nobody here is asking for loot, in fact, ME who organises and scouts Azu for the Horde try to split the loot group between all guilds who participate. To our loss, we have maybe received 2/10 loots from Horde Azu kills. We understand we need help from other guilds to beat the effort and coordination from Indom and have yet to complain. This is more about wasted time, in-game resources and mental encouragement. Investing 3-4 Hours of your time just to lose by numbers is annoying, but add onto that the boss being despawned at 30% is just unmotivating and has left attending member to say why bother. With more and more geared people leaving the server every day we might as well save our time and give the kills to indominous. 

Now I hope the GM's enjoy their "fair" world bosses ..... 

[Multiz 0]

World bosses should not be available while the server has severe technical issues like last night with the login server being down. 
When that is said, it is indeed debateable to despawn a boss at 40% HP.
This decision should have been made earlier by the GM team.

IN EITHER WAY you guys had a fair chance to take down Azuregos after it was respawned and login server was back up.
But as usual we won due to our coordination being at a higher level compared to yours. 

Keep spreading salt - it makes my day even better.


Have a great weekend and see you next time in BRM

 

[Psylence / Pithikidis 0]

I just know that I didn't go to work coz we where killing the boss . Next time when the GMs will try and reset the boss while we are fighting , I will just quit playing on this server and start fresh to LH or K3 . It wasn't just one time that this kind of thinks happened ! Sorry to say that but its unfair if I'm killing the boss to reset him  , not once , but not twice!  Fix your server guys so there will be a fair fight and people will stop complaining or even worst quit playing on the server . If u want to the world bosses to be more like a pvp fight , u might want to fix your battle grounds 1st !

[Frothy 0]

WTB Server Administration Integrity.

[MikeHunt 0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGWFuWN-Yuk

"...And so it came to pass that the GM, whose plain lack of logic and buttmadness of a hundred virgins, chose to despawn a world boss. And their server, in which so many eager souls participate, fell rapidly into ruin."

"Rising over the buried dungeons of that godforsaken goldsellerinfested trap, a solitary butthurt GM, like some monument to evil... is all that remains."

"The GM's fortune was believed to be divided among Indominus, although some say that more remains unfound, still burried alongside the rotting skull of Azuregos, that bear mute witness to the inhumanity, that was DESPAWNING AZUREGOS AT 30%"

 

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by DespawnworldbossLOL
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[MikeHunt 0]

On 20/4/2018 at 11:53 AM, Rain said:

Concerns noted.

Wow.... thanks for showing your concern.

i hope you don't have children, because this is far from a satisfying answer to what can only be described as complete favoritism.
and wouldn't you know it, the alliance "just happened" to be able to log on and take Azuregos from the poor hordies :D

i wasn't even in the group, heck, i'm not even level 60 yet... but i can smell the travesty all the way down here in the 50's.

i told you this already, on another account which you have now banned, that you need to reevaluate your priorities, because the way things are currently going, people are going to flee your server like they're European peasants in 1347 running from the black plague.

seriously... you gotta weed out the BADmins.

[MikeHunt 0]

how about this analogical hypothetic: "Some people happened to get gassed, and therefore are not alive anymore - it is only fair that the rest of you should be gassed too"

 

see where i'm going?
you were like "shit the town is burning, better drop a nuke on it".

Fucking amazing.
are the admins above the age of 18?
i am genuinely wondering.

Edited April 22, 2018 by DespawnworldbossLOL
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[krueh 0]

On 20.4.2018 at 5:30 PM, Multiz said:

IN EITHER WAY you guys had a fair chance to take down Azuregos after it was respawned and login server was back up.
But as usual we won due to our coordination being at a higher level compared to yours. 

Keep spreading salt - it makes my day even better.


 

wow dude, u always jizz in ur own face when u kill azu with 120people, dont u ? tasty bro !
ur lack of being a decent social human being definitely shows up here.

I personally wasnt online this weekend, but the pure fact that GMs despawn a boss while its being killed sounds just stupid as fuck to me. 

[Bovine1320 1]

On 20 Квітень 2018 р. at 1:44 PM, Goodlilprick said:

I feel robbed

 

On 20 Квітень 2018 р. at 12:53 PM, Cowkingpin said:

This is complete bullshit.

Welcome to Lysium version of classic WoW, enjoy your stay, remember that you can change your realmlist if you're not happy anymore.

[MikeHunt 0]

4 hours ago, Bovine1320 said:

 

Welcome to Lysium version of classic WoW, enjoy your stay, remember that you can change your realmlist if you're not happy anymore.

"Lmao why don't you just deal with the fact GMs are being openly unfair you shit hordie lol"

This is what you sound like

Edited April 23, 2018 by DespawnworldbossLOL
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[Bovine1320 1]

13 hours ago, DespawnworldbossLOL said:

"Lmao why don't you just deal with the fact GMs are being openly unfair you shit hordie lol"

This is what you sound like

No, it sounds like "Lmao, how comes it's 2018 already and you still don't know Lysium staff is being openly unfair in addition to being openly corrupt and will stay this way because it's intended to be so" but I liked your interpretation as well. Nice avatar!