фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.wowhead.com/item=12632#comments By QFred (8,824 – 2·15·55) on 2012/09/10 (Patch 5.0.4) Report Back in the days, the damage from this proc was affected by crit chance and spell power. So it would do more than 3 damage on each attack, often. Plus, it had a quite awesome lightning sound and visual effect. Перчатки со схожим спеллом. - By Cake (232 – 2) on 2008/04/08 (Patch 2.4.1) Report Does spelldmg increase the 3 lightning damage done on melee attacks? upvote -3 downvote Airyn on 2008/05/29 (Patch 2.4.2) Yes, they do making these a great asset to Shockadins. upvote -3 downvote Chillin on 2008/06/09 (Patch 2.4.2) yeah this goes well with fiery retributer also cuz bam bam you crit alot and these can dish out alot of damage Нека и сворда используют один и тот же спелл http://web.archive.org/web/20070629130555/http://thottbot.com/s7711 https://db.valkyrie-wow.org/?spell=7711 Хватит демагогию разводить найди что-нибудь по делу, так же не в каждом мувике стреляли сковозь пеньки на варсе, но стреляли же. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.wowhead.com/item=12631/fiery-plate-gauntlets#comments By sasuci (108 – 0) on 2010/02/01 (Patch 3.3.0) Report The SP affect the 4dmg something around 30-50% of ur SP. My holy pala have them and are AWESOME!I wanna know if the 4dmg work in ranged upvote 5 downvote Asmodoues on 2010/02/03 (Patch 3.3.2) I tested this, and SP is not added to the 4 damage in any way. upvote 1 downvote QFred on 2010/06/14 (Patch 3.3.3) The bonus spell damage (before SP existed) used to matter on the early early days of Vanilla. These kind of procs, like the one on Essence of Pure Flame, used to pack quite a punch because improved with spell damage. On a patch, still in Vanilla, they were deemed too powerful and so they removed the improve with spell damage. Еще одни перчатки. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 the early early days of Vanilla Spell Damage has no effect on the Lightning Strike proc. У нас конец ванилы. Твои же пруфы. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 Хватит демагогию разводить найди что-нибудь по делу Ты даешь ссылки на какой-то чит форум, где обсуждают абуз багов на пиратках, даешь ссылки, где пишут, что они скалировались от спд, но это было пофикшено где-то на ванили(последние цитаты) и говоиршь про демагогию ^^ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yxo 8068 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.wowhead.com/item=18815#comments Тут пишут про триньку на 16 фаер урона рефлектом "в конце ваниллы" как про самую бесполезную. Один из комментов гласит следующее: Ithuraen on 2011/03/08 (Patch 4.0.6) A long time ago Blizzard stopped sp from affecting all items reflecting dmg. This one is no different. А когда именно закончилось добавление спд к предметам, я так понял, неизвестно пока что? Ну кроме как "ранние ранние дни Ваниллы"? Я думаю, если это фиксили, то довольно "ёрли ёрли", как только заметили абуз через набор спд. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 QFred on 2010/06/14 (Patch 3.3.3) The bonus spell damage (before SP existed) used to matter on the early early days of Vanilla. These kind of procs, like the one on Essence of Pure Flame, used to pack quite a punch because improved with spell damage. On a patch, still in Vanilla, they were deemed too powerful and so they removed the improve with spell damage. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 http://web.archive.org/web/20070331193026/http://www.thottbot.com/i18815 nice trinket for tanking. Score 0.98 Vote: [-] [+]by Menestrel, 9.3 months ago Last edit: 9.3 months ago It is affected by ur +dmg gear, helped me a lot when i was farming rep with AD (Cauldrons) - 5mobs on u/ http://thottbott.com/?i=39255/ this item and it was hitting 50-60dmg per tick. (Im a lock and was using Imp for mana tap) Снимок за март 2007, коммент за август 2006. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yxo 8068 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 Анрей оперирует прямыми доказательствами, я болею за него! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Близзы потихоньку убирали скалирование от спд с некоторых предметов, тот же щит, тандерфурри, перчатки(?) но на некоторых оно могло остаться вплоть до бк. http://www.wowhead.com/item=18815#comments By Swinny (2,604 – 7·27) on 2011/01/09 (Patch 4.0.3) Report I was fooling around in MC today and this dropped. But when I looked at it, the tooltip said that it dealt 15 damage per hit. when I linked it in guild chat, a guildie said that the tooltip said 17 for him. Does this item scale with something? Or is it just a bug? upvote 8 downvote Octayvius on 2011/01/14 (Patch 4.0.3)It scales with masteryupvote -1 downvote itszutak on 2011/01/15 (Patch 4.0.3)oh wow, that is...truly bizzare. Does it stack for all masteries or just mage ones or what?upvote 1 downvote Octayvius on 2011/01/17 (Patch 4.0.3)I'm not entirely sure, It works with my warlock when I'm in fire spec, So i'm guessing Fire damage will scale with all fire based masterys. It even works on the Reign of Death trinkets from anub, the normal one hits for 2800 for me when it consumes its mote of flames.upvote 1 downvote Williamcarlos on 2011/01/19 (Patch 4.0.3) does spell power effect this?upvote -2 downvote Octayvius on 2011/01/20 (Patch 4.0.3) It does not from what I've seen. Or if it does it's very minuteupvote 3 downvote Ithuraen on 2011/03/08 (Patch 4.0.6) A long time ago Blizzard stopped sp from affecting all items reflecting dmg. This one is no different. Edited February 4, 2014 by фткyн 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yxo 8068 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 Анрей, в твоей цитате есть: So i'm guessing Fire damage will scale with all fire based masterys Бейс мастерис это вроде таланты. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 Угу, такие штуки, например как тф, скалируются с талантами которые добвляют урон. https://db.valkyrie-wow.org/?spell=14159 например. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 Да, так же, как и все остальные такие(слэинги у хантера, например), поскольку они увеличивают весь урон против определенного типа целей. Так же огненный урон увеличивается от таланта у мага, окторые увеличивает весь фаер дамаг и т.п. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 http://web.archive.org/web/20070331193026/http://www.thottbot.com/i18815 Снимок за март 2007, коммент за август 2006. Он варлок с импом и этой триней. У импа есть спелл на рефлект. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 13+13*1.3=29.9 1.3 это 30% с талантов. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) A pair of 60 rogues wearing at least 100 or more fire resist gear can acquire one to two Aces of Elementals in about two hours doing Incendius farming in Lower Blackrock Spire. Stealth in, and down the highway straight to Incendius. One rogue being an enchanter for disenchantment of useless drops. On the up side of farming him you'll also likely acquire some very strong fire resist gear for your class. He drops the best rare FR bracers for every class levels 52-whenever you get an epic fr item(or a rare one giving better than a +10 fr bonus). Cinderhide Armsplints, Pyremail Wristguards, Emberplate Armguards, and Flameweave Cuffs of the Eagle/Monkey/Bear/etc. Two level 60 rogues, equipped with the adequate protection gear and average level rare weapons can kill him and reset the instance about every eight minutes. This is a perfect trinket for a proc set. Proc sets are incredibly powerful when multiple procs activate, and make for above average "all the time" gear with the proper enchantments. They do generate huge amounts of aggro, which is either a good or bad thing depending on circumstances and class. Plus damage to nature spells and effect items do influence trinkets, weapon procs, and even rogue poisons which are nature based effects. Btw, this trinket worn with dual Ebon Hand maces and a 5/5 Mace Specialization build is very effective. http://web.archive.org/web/20100316052026/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19289#Comments Проки прокают с проков. Some useless information for you: - DOES crit - With improved Kidney Shot its damage will increase - It is unique, cant be worn 2 of them - Requires lvl 60 - Doesnt need reputation - Procs quite often and a nice dmg-boost for rogues Весь дамаг, в том числе и с проков чантов и всяких шмоток, должен увеличиваться с подобных талантов. Spell DmgPosted: Oct 3rd 2006 1:46am| IP: Logged | Reply to this By: nicknackolous Score: Decent Link to this post I want to know if this item does more damage with +spell dmg gear. If so, dual wielding shamans are going to pwn with it 1 reply Spell DmgPosted: Oct 29th 2006 10:40am| IP: Logged | Reply to this By: nmeye Score: Decent Link to this post No, this was nerfed like 1 year ago - together with the Arcanite Champion's Proc and Crusader enchant - soon after its introduction. I have Heroism (Pala) and it doesn't benefit from +heal as well to make it fair for classes which (usually) don't wear +damage/heal gear. Posting from Germany Еще до 1.12 было понерфлено, надо на главной написать что еще близзлайк заплатки, лол. Edited February 5, 2014 by фткyн 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 Весь дамаг, в том числе и с проков чантов и всяких шмоток, должен увеличиваться с подобных талантов. Всё так и есть. Проки прокают с проков. Нет, они пишет, что когда проков много - что-то постоянно, да прокает, что логично исходя из тервера 13+13*1.3=29.9 1.3 это 30% с талантов. Остается 20 урона с гира, к сожалению не указана дата, когда он их фармил(мб застал время скалирования), не указано спд, не понятно, есть ли у него еще вещи на рефлект, типа кольца из БРД, например или баффа корней друида и т.п. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ignimortis 1496 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 Поцоны, я вам намекну - masteries - это mastery, такая вещь в Клизме, где у тебя в зависимости от спека особая фишка. Для фаермагов и дестролоков это +фаердамаг. Комменты с патча 4.0.3, между прочим. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Перестали критовать триньки и прок т2 паладина так же перестал критовать. Кстати, интересно, все что скалировалось - критовало, а что не скалировалось - не критовало, хотя должно было. Edited February 5, 2014 by фткyн 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shuraken007 345 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 Подкину инфы для размышления - на фениксе столкнулись с точно такими же проблемами : https://github.com/FeenixServerProject/Phoenix_1.12.1_Issue_tracker/issues/3652 https://github.com/FeenixServerProject/Phoenix_1.12.1_Issue_tracker/issues/3690 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 И что мы должны там увидеть? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shuraken007 345 Report post Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Как ты думаешь - на серве накипела такая же проблема - завязались обсуждения, выкладывание всяких пруфов/соображений/механик - неужели ничего полезного не найти? Through patches from 1.6 to 1.12.1 they rebalanced most of the procs with the following system: [*] All procs (spell damage and melee damage) scaled with talents. If you had 10% physical damage talent, physical damage procs would do 10% more damage. If the physical proc strikes critically, it triggers talents like Flurry. Same applied for elemental talents and elemental procs (elemental devastation, vengeance, elemental fury). Shamans elemental fury made fire, frost and nature damage crits do 2x damage instead of the 1.5, etc. [*] Some trinkets and some weapons scaled with SP/AP similar to how HoJ works. The rule was that if the weapon has, on average, less than 2PPM, it would scale with spell damage and attack power. This puts f.ex MSA, lifestealing, fiery, Maelstrom, etc outside spelldamage scaling, but items like Fallen Star and Neretzek within that. So trinkets like mentioned above need to scale with spell damage. Items like Blazefury Medallion, Storm Gauntlets and other stuff need not to scale with spell damage but trigger relevant talents (Vengeance, Elemental Devastation), much like all physical damage procs trigger physical damage talents. I'll try to pile up evidence on this later this week, but it's really hard since a lot of these fixes were undocumented and finding it would require one to sift through waybackmachined official forums for players reactions when a patch hit their items. Вобщем ознакомиться стоит Edited February 5, 2014 by shuraken007 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 6, 2014 Насчет х2 крита не уверен, а все остальное верно описно 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
фткyн 1469 Report post Posted February 6, 2014 А если триньки скалируются от талантов увеличивающих урон, то почему на них не могут влиять другие таланты? Хотя пруфы на это найти будет наверное очень сложно. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Av_vA 3044 Report post Posted February 6, 2014 Написано же - влияют таланты, увеличиваеющие в % урон от натура для маэлстрома, например. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yxo 8068 Report post Posted February 6, 2014 So trinkets like mentioned above need to scale with spell damage. Мы находили пруфы косвенные на Маелсторм, что фиг. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites