Vanilla vs WotLK

[meddlingmage 3]

I dabbled in WotLK emulation years ago and don't quite remember much. I missed the actual vanilla train altogether. My question really is about Vanilla vs. WotLK. I currently hate the state of retail as I feel everything is just easy mode and a rush to endgame treadmill more or less, nor do I have time for it. So when looking at vanilla vs WotLK what are some of the major differences I would notice from one server to the next.

 

For instance, I'm under the impression that vanilla is quite difficult in many areas where it really shouldn't/doesn't need to be. Questing for instance will take you running from one end of the map to the other, have you missing quest chains altogether if you don't "explore" and having to run to actual dungeon instances. I know some people look at this as pure fun which is totally fine. Doesn't WotLK address many of these "issues" (again, I realize many like this feel)? These are the types of things I would like to know before selecting a server. If you would care to elaborate.

[Tjaz 11]

Download the vanillaguide addon and you won't have trouble with questing or useless runs.

[BlackBear 1]

@Lurker do you have a link to the vanilla guide addon?

[meddlingmage 3]

Download the vanillaguide addon and you won't have trouble with questing or useless runs.

Would you please elaborate? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. How exactly does it work? And more importantly, would you please explain how I may utilize it (instructions on use) to get it up and running?

[maverick 11]

i wish they would remaster vanilla the way wotlk is not add skills but lets say for warriors, make it so that they can charge in combat, drop the cooldown on shield wall to 5 minutes because vanilla is just plain broken, frost mages play around with melee classes like theyre target dummies they hit them with frost nova cone of cold and just pump them with spells while they cant take 3 steps before dying and the 1 minute sheep / sap should be cut down aswell to 10 seconds the way it is now is just unbalanced thats why on nostalrius the #1 class people played was a frost mage, its the same as when you play another game and choose the easy difficulty mode vanilla can be improved so much with minor changes

[Shaylin 6]

i wish they would remaster vanilla the way wotlk is not add skills but lets say for warriors, make it so that they can charge in combat, drop the cooldown on shield wall to 5 minutes because vanilla is just plain broken, frost mages play around with melee classes like theyre target dummies they hit them with frost nova cone of cold and just pump them with spells while they cant take 3 steps before dying and the 1 minute sheep / sap should be cut down aswell to 10 seconds the way it is now is just unbalanced thats why on nostalrius the #1 class people played was a frost mage, its the same as when you play another game and choose the easy difficulty mode vanilla can be improved so much with minor changes

This is the way it was in Vanilla, BEFORE it was toned down for the masses who thought it was unfair. They aren't going to change and "tone down" skills to make it fair for the people who can't handle the pvp. That's the whole point of the vanilla experience, to go back to when it was fun and it required skill and things were not handed to you on a silver platter.

 

Also, Shagu.org has some built for the legacy community addons. Really enjoy his overhaul and ShaguQuest+Cartographer imo are much better than questie. But yes to the Vanilla Guide addon, works for both horde and alliance

[maverick 11]

This is the way it was in Vanilla, BEFORE it was toned down for the masses who thought it was unfair. They aren't going to change and "tone down" skills to make it fair for the people who can't handle the pvp. That's the whole point of the vanilla experience, to go back to when it was fun and it required skill and things were not handed to you on a silver platter.

 

Also, Shagu.org has some built for the legacy community addons. Really enjoy his overhaul and ShaguQuest+Cartographer imo are much better than questie. But yes to the Vanilla Guide addon, works for both horde and alliance

thats what you think your not making sense at all. theres a reason blizzard doesnt wana  dig up this game and re launch it, one of the reasons is what i stated above (even tho i love vanilla) i admit that it is broken you cant tell me that giving a warrior the ability to charge in combat is having things handed to him, would you rather he sits in a frost bolt debuff and gets kited hopelessly? thats a 99.9% chance the frost mage will win a fight thats not balance buddy, things got fixed up till wrath your seriously convinced vanilla is *pure* skill lmfao ....... vanilla is just a fun adventerous game and i love it but dont get on the pvp side you got no idea.

[Undertanker 88]

30 shield wall CD = broken?

You have more tanks per raid now than then as well. You can still have SW for each fight if you wanted by rotating tanks if desired. By the time you are on the 5 th boss. First tanks SW would be up again.

Engineering helps counter mages kiting.

Classes have PVP weaknesses and counters, drawls and favorable matchup. It is how it was intended. Cries for "balance" broke this.

[maverick 11]

30 shield wall CD = broken?

You have more tanks per raid now than then as well. You can still have SW for each fight if you wanted by rotating tanks if desired. By the time you are on the 5 th boss. First tanks SW would be up again.

Engineering helps counter mages kiting.

Classes have PVP weaknesses and counters, drawls and favorable matchup. It is how it was intended. Cries for "balance" broke this.

everyone has their own opinion, my opinion is that i think vanilla would be even better if it were remastered and im talking about pvp not pve, i wont make a warrior as much as i would love to because im not gona get kited by a terrible player thats got a 100% chance to kill me just because he plays a frost mage comparing vanilla pvp to wotlk pvp is idiotic vanilla has all the aspects i look for in a mmo but does it need fixing? i wont lie about that it sure does.

[Shaylin 6]

thats what you think your not making sense at all. theres a reason blizzard doesnt wana  dig up this game and re launch it, one of the reasons is what i stated above (even tho i love vanilla) i admit that it is broken you cant tell me that giving a warrior the ability to charge in combat is having things handed to him, would you rather he sits in a frost bolt debuff and gets kited hopelessly? thats a 99.9% chance the frost mage will win a fight thats not balance buddy, things got fixed up till wrath your seriously convinced vanilla is *pure* skill lmfao ....... vanilla is just a fun adventerous game and i love it but dont get on the pvp side you got no idea.

Are you kidding me right now? Warriors have intercept for that very reason.. You don't even get intercept in the "fixed" version of wow, you can charge all day and night if you feel like it. Hell, even 2x in a fight /s

 

You won't get killed if you know what you are doing and use your CD's wisely. Mages are some of the squishiest out there, you can't tell me that every warrior automatically dies to mages. That's insane thinking and reasoning.

 

"Toning down" wow for the masses is what caused us to have people running around with a million gold, and full heirloom gear and not talking to anyone because of random dungeon finder and LFR because people couldn't get groups together because they didn't want to join a guild. That's what's wrong with WoW today.

 

The way you "remaster" WoW, is by polishing up and fixing all the scripts, lag, bugs, etc.. and that's how you do Vanilla WoW remastered.

[maverick 11]

Are you kidding me right now? Warriors have intercept for that very reason.. You don't even get intercept in the "fixed" version of wow, you can charge all day and night if you feel like it. Hell, even 2x in a fight /s

 

You won't get killed if you know what you are doing and use your CD's wisely. Mages are some of the squishiest out there, you can't tell me that every warrior automatically dies to mages. That's insane thinking and reasoning.

 

"Toning down" wow for the masses is what caused us to have people running around with a million gold, and full heirloom gear and not talking to anyone because of random dungeon finder and LFR because people couldn't get groups together because they didn't want to join a guild. That's what's wrong with WoW today.

 

The way you "remaster" WoW, is by polishing up and fixing all the scripts, lag, bugs, etc.. and that's how you do Vanilla WoW remastered.

like i said in my last comment, we can argue nonestop but everyone has their own opinion, i think alot more needs to be remastered in vanilla than just scripts and bugs if you talk to a honest frost mage player they will tell you that warriors are ez pz, and im not talking about millions of gold and heirlooms im specifically talking about the pvp side ,i doubt you pvp much because anybody who can be against blizzard adding spell reflect,shattered throw is clueless in that field they gave the warrior more opportunities that is all which means the frost mage cant play around with the opponent and do what ever they like to them it gets abit more challenging for both classes ,btw this line *Warriors have intercept for that very reason.. You don't even get intercept in the "fixed" version of wow, you can charge all day and night if you feel like it. Hell, even 2x in a fight*   these words show that you dont pvp at all, if you knew anything you would know the rotation that happens almost  every time in a warrior>frost mage 1 on 1 , the warrior charges, mage pops frost nova, ur pinned frost nova breaks u intercept, the mage blinks ur movement speed is slowed by 50% already >frost bolt>frost bolt>fire blast ur dead. where as in wotlk you can charge in combat and not get kited mindlessly. i play a paladin and i get begged by rank 13's to give them freedom, they have trouble against lvl 55 mages in lvl 40 blues. dont be silly.