Announcement #2 — Realm Names, Launch Order, Stress Testing, and the Future

[etsuri 2]

Your reasoning for launching the established PvP realm first is deeply flawed.

You are worried too many people will leave the established PvP server based on your polls. But your polls dont actually prove anything besides the fact that many people want to make a new character.

 

Lots of people do want to make a new character and will be trying to do so when you release your servers. The starting locations will be nearly unplayable. I Remember the last time you guys released a server it took me about 8-10 hours to get to level 10. It was an experience i somewhat enjoyed because i was with friends, but i do not want to go through it again.

 

Funneling all the new players who are waiting for nost into one server instead of distributing the load evenly across all your servers is just going to make the experience of people making new characters that much less fun. If you did release both servers at a time then the people who want to make new characters would end up deciding that spending a half an hour on a single quest in the starting zone is not worth a "fresh start server" and they will make their fresh start on the established server or go back to their mains on that server.

 

For the new players nost is bringing in they will find the starting locations to be unplayable they will ask "why are there no other servers? isnt there anywhere else we can go?" and the answer whether you stagger your servers release  or not is yes, there are other servers that are well populated and scripted out right now.

 

I had 2 60s on nost, that i have already gotten over. I wanted to make a new character on nost and i want to do it on a fresh vanilla server. but If you are going to be making sure that the release of your servers is going to be as unfriendly as possible for new players/characters then i would rather just sit the release of your servers out and play one of the other servers that are well populated and very well scripted.

 

 

[papakoko 13]

Another perfect example of the players who complain about the pvp realm being released first in order to benefit the entire server and dont care about elysium at all.

All the players who are complaining about the release schedule, dont care about the server at all and what is actually best for the server. All they care about is what they can get and when they can get it.

 

In reality these are the exact players who will quit after a month when they realise vanilla doesnt hand out free epics.

Any way we could get an explanation on how exactly launching the old server first will benefit all 3 ?red tring to get all the DB worked out would be alot harder then launching a fresh server but I admit I dont know a whole lot about it .. I am just a lowly player of games .. In turn though I wouldn't tell you that samich A was better for everyone to eat the samich B without telling you why .. Just me though.

[Holystrike 2]

@Etsuri

I love etsuri's post I dont think he actually read his own post, first he claims that people will chose low pop over high pop regardless of fresh start or not, then instantly contradicts himself saying he refuses to play unless its on the new server... that contradictory circular logic. If he actually cared about this server at all he would either:

A ) start a new character on the pvp server as he claims others would or

B )wait until the release of the server

Instead he refuses to and says he wont play if he doesnt get his way... just lol dude...

 

 

 

 

@Papakoko

I suggest actually reading the first post thoroughly but anyway; briefly summarised this decision has been made to accomodate basic trends in social dynamics:

Pros (of staggering the release):

Through releasing the pvp server first it will mean that new players who have been deterred from joining the original realm due to the rumours and misinformation spread by people who didnt play on it; or are trolling, will be able to see that in reality it isn't a bad environment to play on at all and through playing with members and guilds who have already geared up, with content on farm and an established economy they themselves will be able gear up faster and get money faster while having access to content on the pvp server faster and a year ahead of the fresh server.

Cons (of not staggering the release):

People who are new to the server assume rumours and speculation are true and as a result dont even try to play on it leading to an infulx of players on one server and a defecate on the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_effect

 

 

The decision being made in regards to realm release is about population dispersement, ideally the best server will be one where we have a 50-50 split over both realms and through a staggered release, it means that new players wont all immediately jump on the fresh server and we will hopefully achieve this balance, through staggering the release we will hopefully achieve two servers with a 50-50 population split which will last many years which could potentially have cross-realm battlegrounds as opposed to one sever snowballing the other imploding and one realm eating the other

Edited November 12, 2016 by Holystrike

[papakoko 13]

@Etsuri

I love etsuri's post I dont think he actually read his own post, first he claims that people will chose low pop over high pop regardless of fresh start on not, then instantly contradicts himself saying he refuses to play unless its on the new server... that contradictory circular logic. If he actually cared about this server at all he would either:

A ) start a new character on the pvp server as he claims others would or

B )wait until the release of the server

Instead he refuses to and says he wont play if he doesnt get his way... lol.

 

 

 

 

@Papakoko

I suggest actually reading the first post thoroughly but anyway; briefly summarised this decision has been made to accomodate basic trends in social dynamics:

Pros:

Through releasing the pvp server first it will mean that new players who have been deterred from joining the original realm due to the rumours and misinformation spread by people who didnt play on it; or are trolling, will be able to see that in reality it isn't a bad environment to play on at all and through playing with members and guilds who have already geared up, with content on farm and an established economy they themselves will be able gear up faster and get money faster while having access to content to servers.

Cons:

People who are new to the server assume rumours and speculation are true and as a result dont even try to play on it leading to an infulx of players on one server and a defecate on the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_effect

 

 

The decision being made in regards to realm release is about population dispersement, ideally the best server will be one where we have a 50-50 split over both realms and through a staggered release, it means that new players wont all immediately jump on the fresh server and we will hopefully achieve this balance, through staggering the release we will hopefully achieve two servers with a 50-50 population split which will last many years which could potentially have cross-realm battlegrounds as opposed to one sever snowballing the other imploding and one realm eating the other

Ty Holystrike for that informative and insult free response .. I fell like we all might be getting along alot better now .. Still wonder about the name of that other server though .. Wont be out for another few weeks i think .. Was mentioned somewhere on the old nos forums ... 

[Holystrike 2]

Mmm sorry if i seem hostile in some posts, but as you can see through the majority of the posting in this thread its just people complaining harassing and insulting... 

 

I think realm names have been covered:

 

 

The PvP realm hosting the Nostalrius character database will be named “Nostalrius PvP” exactly as you knew it from the previous realm. The same goes for the PvE realm, that will be named “Nostalrius PvE”.

 

The last realm, that will be running the beloved Nostalrius core, and offering a completely fresh start, will be named in memory of the, now defunct, realm: Elysium PvP

 

[papakoko 13]

Mmm sorry if i seem hostile in some posts, but as you can see through the majority of the posting in this thread its just people complaining harassing and insulting... 

 

I think realm names have been covered:

No your good .. Most folks, myself included, get bad news like waiting months for the fresh start server to open and we come here to the forums and complain.. It sucks your right .. But statics show that once a person vents their frustrations they feel better.. Calmer. And forums are a good place to do it ... I mean I feel better having voiced my opinion/concerns. Will I wait the months it takes for the server to launch . Yes, prolly. Am I disappointed its not coming sooner .. Yes of coarse..  But I posted and vented and complained and now I feel better...

 

See you get that Holystrike .. And thats why I like you .. Now there are some folks , I wont mention any names ( Sha cuck yss ) who don't understand that . They yell insults and flame like they have more of a right to be here on ELYSUIM then the rest of us do... I look forward to playing with you MR. Holystrike.

 

EDIT:

On a personal note I am just excited to get my vanilla fix on a proper server .. I am juest bored waiting is all .. I am so bored that the other day i was walking around the house kicking the cat .. When my darling wife asked me what the hell I was doing . I replied  matter of factly. Gaining experience points. 

Edited November 12, 2016 by papakoko

[etsuri 2]

@Etsuri

I love etsuri's post I dont think he actually read his own post, first he claims that people will chose low pop over high pop regardless of fresh start or not, then instantly contradicts himself saying he refuses to play unless its on the new server... that contradictory circular logic. If he actually cared about this server at all he would either:

A ) start a new character on the pvp server as he claims others would or

B )wait until the release of the server

Instead he refuses to and says he wont play if he doesnt get his way... just lol dude...

Your reading comprehension is garbage.

[Steamedbeave 0]

Dear community,

 

We have been working very hard since our last announcement to get things running, and it's time for an update! Thank you very much for the patience you have all shown thus far. We know it is not easy to wait for something as exciting as the return of your long lost characters. So let's take a look at what's been happening, and what you can expect in the upcoming few days.

 

We should be thanking you, I 100% accepted that I'd never get back my time I spent on Nostalrius, was all worth it easily my favorite time in a MMO since pre-WotLK.  Look forward to helping out with the stress tests, I bet your servers are going to melt, I hope the server was as alive as it was before the shutdown.

[Triumph 0]

According to the strawpoll (Yes it matters even if you lose) a lot of people are waiting for the fresh server, yes this is about bring nostalrius back, but they promiss a new fresh server, first they said they going to launch all servers at the same time, then they said fresh server will be delayed 2 or 3 days and now 3-4 weeks? it seems like a poor move to grab server to the old pvp nost to avoid the death

Edited November 12, 2016 by Triumph

[Cipherr 1]

@Etsuri

I love etsuri's post I dont think he actually read his own post, first he claims that people will chose low pop over high pop regardless of fresh start or not, then instantly contradicts himself saying he refuses to play unless its on the new server... that contradictory circular logic. If he actually cared about this server at all he would either:

A ) start a new character on the pvp server as he claims others would or

B )wait until the release of the server

Instead he refuses to and says he wont play if he doesnt get his way... just lol dude...

 

 

 

 

@Papakoko

I suggest actually reading the first post thoroughly but anyway; briefly summarised this decision has been made to accomodate basic trends in social dynamics:

Pros (of staggering the release):

Through releasing the pvp server first it will mean that new players who have been deterred from joining the original realm due to the rumours and misinformation spread by people who didnt play on it; or are trolling, will be able to see that in reality it isn't a bad environment to play on at all and through playing with members and guilds who have already geared up, with content on farm and an established economy they themselves will be able gear up faster and get money faster while having access to content on the pvp server faster and a year ahead of the fresh server.

Cons (of not staggering the release):

People who are new to the server assume rumours and speculation are true and as a result dont even try to play on it leading to an infulx of players on one server and a defecate on the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_effect

 

 

The decision being made in regards to realm release is about population dispersement, ideally the best server will be one where we have a 50-50 split over both realms and through a staggered release, it means that new players wont all immediately jump on the fresh server and we will hopefully achieve this balance, through staggering the release we will hopefully achieve two servers with a 50-50 population split which will last many years which could potentially have cross-realm battlegrounds as opposed to one sever snowballing the other imploding and one realm eating the other

 

Absolutely everything here follows reasonable logic. Except.... for the fact that the PvE server seems to be coming last??? There is no fresh start PvE server; so it really seems like not having it launched besides the Nost PvP server sends the message that the population for that server is completely unimportant.

 

I mean.. I'm with you. I understand wanting to give a 50/50 shot for the two PvP servers to thrive. Except that there's not just two servers launching. There's a third, and its being launched as late as February. Its even coming after a fresh start server. That's going to hurt man.

 

Edit: Honestly, Im thinking its a technical thing. I think they may just have so much on their plate launching these servers that there's only so much they can do in ~2 months. And something has to be sacrificed. Its gonna have to be the PvE realm because its understandably the lesser priority. Otherwise I feel like they would launch both Nost realms side by side since neither of them are fresh start realms.

Edited November 12, 2016 by Cipherr

[rhwuaiupwgr 0]

Where are the servers hosted exactly? Only thing that is worrying me Ive heard its in Russia but is that confirmed?

 

 

How is the server protected at all and whats stopping it from being shut down just like it was in April?

Edited November 12, 2016 by Rizzen420

[Vuralyon 3]

Just my opinion, but i suggest you open one fresh PVP and one fresh PvE and call it good. I think you are trying to please way too many groups of people (which I respect) but you guys are asking for trouble with all this nonsense with bringing back old characters. Please just consider this and make this launch as smooth as possible, one fresh PvP and one fresh PvE will satisfy the core of the community and it will be an easy transition and it will encourage our community to grow even stronger.

Edited November 12, 2016 by Azothan

[JediExile90 0]

Thanks for the update guys and for all the hard work you are doing.

For me personally, I was going to start a fresh new character regardless of what realm came first. 

 

Best of luck moving forward and see you in game

[chilaverde 0]

so PvE would be dead... according to the post, that PvE will be released after fresh one. So those who cant wait will roll on PvP, then all who wait for fresh and could start on PvE (cuz only Ony/MC progression + no world pvp for newcomers,no high population) will roll for Fresh PvP. And PvE will be the shittiest crowded, cuz there ll stay only old characters + casuals. gj

Edited November 12, 2016 by chilaverde

[rhwuaiupwgr 0]

Lets think about this real hard for a second then. It seems like over 70% want a fresh start so it seems to me the best idea would be to do exactly what they said they're doing. Nos old pvp launches first yea that will be popular and that will bring the most players back initially just because well its the old nos server and its coming back. The fact that its coming first isn't going to kill off the new realm if over 70% of the people want it. Just be patient. If the community is going to be as big as it was both servers will have at least 3-5k and beyond and thats good for vanilla. My only worry is the old nos pve realm I feel like that will most likely be dead.

 

I wouldnt mind either if it was a fresh pvp and pve realm and just that, most of you accepted already that the server was shut down and your characters were dead. Cant please everyone

[Holystrike 2]

People still seem to lack the ability to see the big picture as i explained before this is undoubtedly the best move for the entire server.

 

Dont be a member of the community who demands as much as they can get as fast as they can get it... That literally directly led to the state of current retail wow.

 

Be a member who wants whats best for the server.

 

Think about the good of the community, and the balance of population; ask any nostalrius player, scratch that go and look directly at the nostalrius forums, and you will see that the number one complaint which anyone on the server had was that the pvp server was over crowded.

 

In fact I remember one announcement and there was like a 40 page hype train surrounding the possibility of a second realm being released which would relieve the overpopulation the realm faced, and the disappointment when i didnt happen.

 

The decision made by the admins is not only calculated and carefully considered; it is the literal best possible move for the server to preemptively account for these issues which we may eventually face. through an equally dispersed community we will have a better quality of gameplay on every server, and the best and most effective way to achieve this is through a staggered release of the realms for Elysium.

 

Pros (of staggering the release):

Through releasing the pvp server first it will mean that new players who have been deterred from joining the original realm due to the rumours and misinformation spread by people who didnt play on it; or are trolling, will be able to see that in reality it isn't a bad environment to play on at all and through playing with members and guilds who have already geared up, with content on farm and an established economy they themselves will be able gear up faster and get money faster while having access to content on the pvp server faster and a year ahead of the fresh server.

Cons (of not staggering the release):

People who are new to the server assume rumours and speculation are true and as a result dont even try to play on it leading to an infulx of players on one server and a defecate on the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_effect

 

 

The decision being made in regards to realm release is about population dispersement, ideally the best server will be one where we have a 50-50 split over both realms and through a staggered release, it means that new players wont all immediately jump on the fresh server and we will hopefully achieve this balance, through staggering the release we will hopefully achieve two servers with a 50-50 population split which will last many years which could potentially have cross-realm battlegrounds as opposed to one sever snowballing the other imploding and one realm eating the other

Edited November 12, 2016 by Holystrike

[zithax 0]

Is there any idea of a launch window the staff is aiming to release in? That's truly what I'm interested in learning right now. I'm a PvE player as well boys, wouldn't mind a fresh one of those but the old one is fine too.

[ryssk 1]

Great update! Keep ut the good work

[Talkha 1]

Another 2 Months of waiting for fresh? Really? Cmon!

 

Why do you "EA" us so hard?

Edited November 13, 2016 by Talkha

[Keala 28]

I wonder why the people here keep forgetting that this project is about bringing back the old nostalrius realms and not to start from scratch. I didn't even think they would give us a third option (which is a completely new server), but they did (which is awesome, don't get me wrong).

They gave us this third awesome option and not only you're complaining that it gets a delayed release (which I can understand the reasons behind your complaints), but you're also literally asking them to simply ignore the idea of giving the old nost players their characters back? Are you even thinking straight or? Feels like you're literally ignoring many people's wish.
 

In the end this team is doing everything they can to give us what blizzard doesn't want to, but you are still finding ways to complain, unbelievable.

 

P.S. I forgot to mention that I would be happy EVEN IF the old nost pvp would have been released last among all those 3 realms. How about most of you stop being spoiled?

Edited November 13, 2016 by Keala

[nametakenwtf 3]

I  like the idea of old pvp first and fresh start ~1 month later

but i think it would be wiser to open up the pve realm around the same time of old pvp or inbetween old and  fresh

i'm not a pve player and most certanly wont play there but i think it would be healthier for the pve community if the server dind't start so late

Edited November 13, 2016 by nametakenwtf

[peho.hol 1]

I  like the idea of old pvp first and fresh start ~1 month later

but i think it would be wiser to open up the pve realm around the same time of old pvp or inbetween old and  fresh

i'm not a pve player and most certanly wont play there but i think it would be healthier for the pve community if the server dind't start so late

 

This.  ^

[Cipherr 1]

I  like the idea of old pvp first and fresh start ~1 month later

but i think it would be wiser to open up the pve realm around the same time of old pvp or inbetween old and  fresh

i'm not a pve player and most certanly wont play there but i think it would be healthier for the pve community if the server dind't start so late

 

All of this. Wish I could give it reputation but I havent figured it out yet. PvE realm launch should come before the Fresh Start.

[Athena 3]

The team should consider opening up the PvE server second.
 

• The hardware is already there (the current Elysium server, and used for the stresstest with the Nost. core so it is already halfway prepared).
• The population is small enough that it will really lose a big opportunity by being launched after the fresh start-server.
• It just had a new content patch (AV) so you can just push it live as-is and then not look back for a few weeks.

[Corsair44 0]

I'm concerned that the PVE server population will be affected badly by releasing it last. It was a part of the Nost mission statement, to have a PVP and PVE realm just like we had 10 years ago. I don't know how much it costs to keep a server running but I just imagine that the Nost/Elysium devs will eventually shut it down because hardly anyone plays there and its no longer viable.