sub raiding

[simppi 3]

Hello guise, anyone has any experience on when (if) sub overtakes combat for raid dps?
I'm thinking specifically of the Deadliness talent. I'm assuming that 10% AP will outweigh the other talents sooner or later.

[Undertanker 88]

Hemo Rogue PVE Spec:

 

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhecoxzZZArckhhoq

 

Used when you have T3 and a lot of BiS items.

[simppi 3]

Hemo Rogue PVE Spec:

 

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhecoxzZZArckhhoq

 

Used when you have T3 and a lot of BiS items.

So basically the answer is: in naxx?

[Undertanker 88]

Yes

[Lootolf 0]

The margin isnt that big tho once you got t2 and proper daggers. If your raid is nice you can respecc in BWL

[Aslan 0]

The margin isnt that big tho once you got t2 and proper daggers. If your raid is nice you can respecc in BWL

You never use daggers in a hemo spec, the ability isnt normalised, which makes it most depending on a slow weapon.

 

The only thing that eventually overtakes combat in dps output would be seal fate in naxx and even thats quite debatable.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Aslan

[Lootolf 0]

You never use daggers in a hemo spec, the ability isnt normalised, which makes it most depending on a slow weapon.

 

The only thing that eventually overtakes combat in dps output would be seal fate in naxx and even thats quite debatable.

 

My bad mixed up assasination and subtlety in my head, cause i only focused on the dagger aspect of the question. xD

[simppi 3]

My bad mixed up assasination and subtlety in my head, cause i only focused on the dagger aspect of the question. xD

there was no mention of daggers in this thread

[Awayguy 0]

Noob style question about sub: Is it possible to use resist gear (on magic bosses at least) to make "Setup" feed you CPs? Viable?

How much resist would be needed to 'fully resist' something? (Adding both Sleigh of Hand and racials.)

[Undertanker 88]

Not viable to put on resist gear unless the fight calls for it.

315 resist cap 75%

[Aslan 0]

Imp eviscerate for 100% of vanilla content, even up to AQ when all you have is r8 which doesnt even scale with AP yet? A point in dodge over a point in parry? Sometimes murder isnt wrong, as weird as it sounds. Lethality for daggers, how awesome must it be.

Forums... where everyone can claim anything, the better the layout, the more accurate the content.

Edited December 17, 2016 by Aslan

[Soyoen 0]

Roll Human & ez points: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhecoxZMhE00Vzxs

 

Also: Why does every private server board lack proper text alignment options?

[Aslan 0]

Irrelevant how it feels, since its not accurate. Tasty insults .

R9 evisc book doesnt drop in ubrs before the actual patch, so no, it wasnt available on nost pvp and wont be on the fresh realm. Also world of roguecraft sends its regards concerning the ap scaling. Was evisc reworked completely (all ranks) or was it just the latest added rank? If evisc was reworked as spell, that would make it scale due to 1.12.1 mechanics even if it shouldnt.

Parry... parryhaste..? Even if you never heard of that, youd rather parry a warrior trying to gank you in BRM instead of dodging him. Small overpower-asset.

Better places for murder, aslong as you arent talking about imp eviscerate.

For daggers it would come down to lethality vs ruthlessness, you could go 4/5, feel free to provide math.

Edited December 17, 2016 by Aslan

[kawalovesyou 1]

Irrelevant how it feels, since its not accurate. Tasty insults .

I just love how he calls you retard at one point when I saw even in your first post this thread you alrdy won the argument Xd

[Mansikki 0]

>Was evisc reworked completely (all ranks) or was it just the latest added rank? If evisc was reworked as spell, that would make it scale due to 1.12.1 mechanics even if it shouldnt.

 

I don't know, I am only going by http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=2098 where it still says "Increased by attack power". 

 

>Parry... parryhaste..? Even if you never heard of that, youd rather parry a warrior trying to gank you in BRM instead of dodging him. Small overpower-asset.

>care about pvp in pve dragonkiller spec

 

>Better places for murder, aslong as you arent talking about imp eviscerate.

like?  I play Horde so imp poisons is trash.

 

Murder is ok, but over the course of one 1SND -> 5EVISC dps cycle, it comes down to ~200 extra damage on the final evisc versus 2% extra on all hits vs most common mobs, but notably, this talent won't function for like 50% of MC.  would probably help on dps vs trash when you don't have time to go through a full evisc cycle before mobs are dead.

 

>For daggers it would come down to lethality vs ruthlessness, you could go 4/5, feel free to provide math.

I misunderstood, I thought you were saying NOT to take lethality AT ALL as daggers, that's why I wtf'd hard.  I don't really have any math for 2/3 ruth 4/5 lethality vs 3/3 ruth 3/5 lethality which I assume is what you are disagreeing with about the spec I posted. I've tried both ways (on Kronos tbf, also why I was confused about r9 evisc book since AQ is released there since some time) and I don't have any hard numbers but they felt pretty comparable. 

Context of discussion is 

hi, here is the spec you will be using for 100% of vanilla content

And not your personal spec that is reliant on patch that isn't available and your personal faction.