Why fresh server should release at the same date

[Pmizz 0]

Why would they risk launching three server simultaneously.

 

Sounds like asking for trouble.  DDOS protection needs some adjustments etc, launching 3 servers is just risking more than they should.

 

Although we're dealing with people who have the entitlement to demand

Vanilla WoW free to play after months of hiatus from risking their bacon,

a fresh server to begin the experience on

that fresh server released immediately alongside the old server ignoring and technical complications it may have.

 

 

Many of us are just happy to play, so the whiners can whine and go play elsewhere.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Pmizz

[Dralek 5]

That's cool. I just meant that returning all the players accounts wasn't a necessity. I'm sure they would have lost some players but not that many. At least I think. Ya never know

 

However, the hype train would still have been real as there are so many players out there that want ONE.. just 1 community. One place they can go to, to play Vanilla WoW. Which is why I think we all can agree that if Blizzard started quality legacy Vanilla servers we'd all go there immediately. We want one place where all of us who love Vanilla WoW can play. Nostalrius is the next best option. No one wants to see the Vanilla player base get scattered amongst a dozen free Private Vanilla Servers.

 

~ Faith ~

Yeah I rather agree with Faith here. I had a lvl 60 in nost, but I will most likely play the fresh pvp because it seems more likely to have a higher population. I really don't care about my previous character.

 

I mean, the reason that everyone is betting on fresh server to have the higher pop numbers, was because of the whole Kronos/Kronos II debacle, in which everyone new went intro Kronos II.

 

Despite the nost pvp server being released before, I don't really see why any new player without an existing character would play it considering a fresh server is supposed to open a few weeks later.

[Faith 5]

Yeah I rather agree with Faith here. I had a lvl 60 in nost, but I will most likely play the fresh pvp because it seems more likely to have a higher population. I really don't care about my previous character.

 

I mean, the reason that everyone is betting on fresh server to have the higher pop numbers, was because of the whole Kronos/Kronos II debacle, in which everyone new went intro Kronos II. <-- yap i was on Kronos I for about a week before II came out. Which is how I ended up with my hunter River there. It was VERY populated. First Vanilla Private server I had played. It was quite fun.

 

Despite the nost pvp server being released before, I don't really see why any new player without an existing character would play it considering a fresh server is supposed to open a few weeks later.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Faith

[Dralek 5]

 

Yeah I rather agree with Faith here. I had a lvl 60 in nost, but I will most likely play the fresh pvp because it seems more likely to have a higher population. I really don't care about my previous character.

 

I mean, the reason that everyone is betting on fresh server to have the higher pop numbers, was because of the whole Kronos/Kronos II debacle, in which everyone new went intro Kronos II. <-- yap i was on Kronos I for about a week before II came out. Which is how I ended up with my hunter River there. It was VERY populated. First Vanilla Private server I had played. It was quite fun.

 

Despite the nost pvp server being released before, I don't really see why any new player without an existing character would play it considering a fresh server is supposed to open a few weeks later.

 

 

When nost fell apart, I went to K1 in the first few days. A lot of players from nost joined there. Then K2 opened, and almost everyone went there. Population in K1 began to deplete quite fast after that.

 

Honestly I agree a 100% with your posts. I think the best thing would have been to just open 2 or 3 fresh realms, forget about the old chars, and try to attract the entire vanilla population given that Nostalrius had the name and renown in the private server world. Its highly likely that every other vanilla server would loose most of their player base to nost.

 

To be fair, my 60 in nost was a mix of pre-raid BiS blues and epics, nothing fancy, so I can understand why someone with T2/PvP epic gear would rather return to their previous char. To me is just the fact that I already considered my character gone, and I favour a high pop server rather than an old one.

 

But well, thats just my opinion, I'm happy nost is returning

Edited December 6, 2016 by Dralek

[Jimmy 2]

That's cool. I just meant that returning all the players accounts wasn't a necessity. I'm sure they would have lost some players but not that many. At least I think. Ya never know

 

However, the hype train would still have been real as there are so many players out there that want ONE.. just 1 community. One place they can go to, to play Vanilla WoW. Which is why I think we all can agree that if Blizzard started quality legacy Vanilla servers we'd all go there immediately. We want one place where all of us who love Vanilla WoW can play. Nostalrius is the next best option. No one wants to see the Vanilla player base get scattered amongst a dozen free Private Vanilla Servers.

 

~ Faith ~

 

Not a necessity, but I think it goes a long way in giving these servers an air of authenticity. If you remember when Nost made the announcement of the partnership they didn't mention giving Elysium the player database (they let Elysium announce it), and the backlash was unreal. So many people were writing it off because they weren't getting characters back.

 

I understand a lot of people want the fresh start, but I'm a grown попа man with grown попа man responsibilities and can't be spending all the time releveling. I have a toon I have an attachment to, and that toons journey isn't complete yet. For reference, I also went to Kronos when Nost went down, and I stayed on K1 and didn't jump to K2, so that probably says something. My time is limited so I value each of my toons and would rather have 1 60 than 5 40s.

[Faith 5]

Yes all new servers under the Nostalrius name was the way to go

 

~ Faith ~

[Uncle Ganus of Clan McAnus 0]

I understand a lot of people want the fresh start, but I'm a grown попа man with grown попа man responsibilities and can't be spending all the time releveling. I have a toon I have an attachment to, and that toons journey isn't complete yet. For reference, I also went to Kronos when Nost went down, and I stayed on K1 and didn't jump to K2, so that probably says something. My time is limited so I value each of my toons and would rather have 1 60 than 5 40s.

 

By Nozdormu's broken pocket watch, I say !! If I could get back to being young again you'd be my idol on this forum, Farthalone !!!

[Faith 5]

Well I'm glad Dralek agrees with me !!!

 

LOL

 

~ Faith ~

[Pishy 0]

Please, Faith, tell me you are rolling Horde on the Nost PvE realm?!

 

Thanks

[rikkisix 0]

I feel A lot of these Fresh Start players are False flag opertives i've seen tactics like this while playing Call of Duty  ugh... Rush something hour?, it was pre 2 if i remember right, What happens is (This was also big in the femminist movment) They will SCREAM the loudist about a foolish topic, Like for Call of duty it was teamkilling, and for Feeminist it was some bullshit thing about the internet or art or videogames. Then they go insane, and slowly they devaule the "Good Fight" So to speak, Its honestly a good tactic to use on a few things although if they're working for Blizzard or other servers they're doing it in a whole wrong way, honestly if this is just a False flag operation and people are getting paid to complain like this, Let me know i can help, i need the money!  Hell i'll even whip these fools into shape and make them the best Naysayers you've ever seen!

Edited December 6, 2016 by rikkisix

[Pmizz 0]

Why not release the new server at the same so the population evens out and everyone can enjoy a smoother release?

 

Because many new players will try the old server and realize it kicks попа because there's just as many levelers and people mid game as them. And after staying up for weeks traight trying Vanilla for the first time, they won't reroll on the new server after already being lvl 27 and being stoked on what they have.

 

Then the new server won't be flooded and both will have healthy populations

[Faith 5]

Please, Faith, tell me you are rolling Horde on the Nost PvE realm?!

 

Thanks

 

I dunno I was getting grief because people think if you roll rogue you like HAVE TO BE undead.. or if you roll warr you HAVE to be tauren .. blah blah..

 

I'll play whatever I like

 

It's usually been my experience that Horde players are younger are more immature. So if you really want to know why I play ally that is usually why.

 

That is just in my personal experience.

 

I personally like some of the horde areas and they're mounts are much better. However I really like the human rogue animations (female Pirate Rogue ftw).

 

~ Faith ~

[aristotheron 0]

lol you have to be kidding me. Get out of here with your entitlement.

Who is entitled here? Are the devs entitled to do what they want with the community for no reason? The server is nothing without the community. Everyone's interests should be served, and the "old guard" should be smart enough to do what is right for the future health of the community despite the minor inconvenience of re-leveling.

 

The real point is that the old players just want to feel superior to everyone else because they are failures in real life.

[aristotheron 0]

We can agree to disagree. I know for a fact my guild and I wouldn't be returning if our toons weren't there, we have no desire to start at level 1.

You say that like you are going to be able to fill a raid in the first week all with people from your old guild

[Tact 0]

A lot of the players on the old realm waited years to play on Nost as they transitioned from a french server to a public server for everyone. The Nostalrius brand name is connected to the old servers. Launching them prior to the new ones increases the longevity of the old servers and the project - try and see it from the perspective of the hundreds of thousands of people who invested many days into their characters that they just want to play again. It'll also be better for the fresh server because there will be less players rolling there. Nostalrius launch day had 4,000 players and got up to 5,000 the next week and questing wasn't really possible with those numbers, and I'd guess that the fresh start is going to get 10,000 players on launch day.. so good luck tagging anything that first week. This isn't just about the new players who want to play or the people wanting to start anew, it's about the community and what's best for it - and prolonging the launch in order to launch all three servers simultaneously isn't what's best for the community, so sit back, relax and grab yourself a beverage and make a twink on the old pvp server while you wait for the fresh one. Cheers. 

[Undertanker 88]

You say that like you are going to be able to fill a raid in the first week all with people from your old guild

 

Expect at least 50+ Nef kills before the weekly reset. 80+ Rag kills, 100+ Onxyia kills. 

[aristotheron 0]

maybe im just a weird individual but to me vanilla is only fun to me because I had never raided it on retail and had never been good enough at the game to enjoy pvp / industrial farming etc

 

now I've done it I have no intention of doing MC / BWL farming again where every boss has a single mechanic,

 

vanilla pvp feels like unbalanced twink pvp balanced around who has more engineering gadgets and cheese items,

 

raiding is 1 button spamming and whoever has more consums / pots / gets lucky rng top the meter.

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Vanilla is still fun but you have to look at it for what it is which is a massive time sink

 

would I really want to invest 100+ days /played to get to same point again, probably not.

 

It's weird because I enjoy ladder resets in games like diablo2 / poe but something about starting fresh when there is no end goal in sight bugs me. This being said I would gladly roll on a vanilla server that offered all content and reset to zero every 3-4 months so it would feel like a race type thing.

 

im just rambling now and im not even sure if my post will make sense

 

 

TLDR: I dont want to spend another 1 year farming boring brainless mechanic bosses to get to what id like to do, the stuff I haven't seen, maybe I would make a new character once AQ / naxx were on the horizon if nost was totally fresh but there's no way in hell id play a complete fresh start from the get go

TL;DR you actually hate the game and only use it to support your self esteem by having better gear than most people

[sojs123 0]

You say that like you are going to be able to fill a raid in the first week all with people from your old guild

 

You will be surprised how many guilds stuck together

 

mine for example has 45 on the roster missing 2 priests from a full raid team

[Pishy 0]

I dunno I was getting grief because people think if you roll rogue you like HAVE TO BE undead.. or if you roll warr you HAVE to be tauren .. blah blah..

 

I'll play whatever I like

 

It's usually been my experience that Horde players are younger are more immature. So if you really want to know why I play ally that is usually why.

 

That is just in my personal experience.

 

I personally like some of the horde areas and they're mounts are much better. However I really like the human rogue animations (female Pirate Rogue ftw).

 

~ Faith ~

 

i second this notion, a lot. i think what contributes to my inability to play a horde character (and my god have i tried......) is the fact that the people seem far more childish. obviously this is a personal experience and not to be taken as a fact. i do disagree with the fact that horde mounts are better though.... you cannot go wrong with kitty cat mounts

Or rather less facile - not too serious about themselves .

 

But let's not take this discussion too far .

[Pishy 0]

..... death to all hordes! burn them all! make them suffer!

See what you did there

[Undertanker 88]

..... death to all hordes! burn them all! make them suffer!

[Dralek 5]

Because many new players will try the old server and realize it kicks попа because there's just as many levelers and people mid game as them. And after staying up for weeks traight trying Vanilla for the first time, they won't reroll on the new server after already being lvl 27 and being stoked on what they have.

 

Then the new server won't be flooded and both will have healthy populations

 

Thats unlikely. History points out that the fresher servers usually end up getting a huge chunk of the population, and will grow at the expense of the old more established server.

 

The first example comes from nost itself, when it released the PVE realm which slowly grew, eventually reching a peak of 4k online. And this is considering that PVE realms are really not as popular in the private server community as the pvp ones, and still managed to absorb a huge layer of players that were looking for a more even start. If it had been a pvp realm it might have taken more people.

 

The second example comes from Kronos I and Kronos II. After the shutdown everyone took refuge in kronos I, and a few weeks later when kronos II was released, a huge chunk of the population (both from nostalrius and previous kronos players) went there.

 

Following this pattern it is likely that the fresh server will absorb a huge amount of the existent playerbase, and slowly become the favourite for the new comers. Someone joining the server in February will probably go to the fresh server (MC progression) instead of the old pvp server (AQ progression). This deminishes the amount of monthly new characters joining the old pvp server.

 

And this are facts  of things that happened in known servers, not speculation or inventions. This is why the hype is for the fresh pvp server. A lot of current members dismiss the poll that showed a lot more people interested in joining the fresh pvp server rather thaqn the old one, and I'm not sure why. Sure it does not take into account the whole possible community, but it shows a sample of those who bothered to vote.

 

Hopefully, the 3 servers will get a rather even population spread, which seems to be the staff's plan. It is unlikely this will happen, because eventually the new comers starting in January, will most likely head for the fresh one. But lets hope for the best!

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Undertanker 88]

The second example comes from Kronos I and Kronos II.

 

The issue most vets had with K-1 was the previous 7x exp event which allowed for top guilds to have TONS of summoning alts, tranmutes, and multi camping lotus spawns.

 

Didn't stop us though, C'Thun down  while people afraid of this imaginary "uneven playing ground" went and farmed MC/Onxyia.  While we had ZG x2 AQ20 x2, BWL, MC, Onxyia, AQ40 we could do each week.    Can say 100% we had a lot more fun having raids available to do EVERY night, rather than 1 MC run a week.

 

Keep in mind, the War Effort was almost done when we went there.   C'Thun down a few weeks after the guilds that had been prepping for it for MONTHS had him down (a few on opening night).    Did I have less fun because they did it first?  Nope.    #BuildYourOwnLegecy

[Dralek 5]

The issue most vets had with K-1 was the previous 7x exp event which allowed for top guilds to have TONS of summoning alts, tranmutes, and multi camping lotus spawns.

 

Didn't stop us though, C'Thun down  while people afraid of this imaginary "uneven playing ground" went and farmed MC/Onxyia.  While we had ZG x2 AQ20 x2, BWL, MC, Onxyia, AQ40 we could do each week.    Can say 100% we had a lot more fun having raids available to do EVERY night, rather than 1 MC run a week.

 

Keep in mind, the War Effort was almost done when we went there.   C'Thun down a few weeks after the guilds that had been prepping for it for MONTHS had him down (a few on opening night).    Did I have less fun because they did it first?  Nope.    #BuildYourOwnLegecy

 

I don't disagree with that. But it is a matter of perspective. K2 still got the higher influx of new players slowly joining, and K1's population began to dwindle in the long term. The first few weeks after K2's release both realms were pretty even.

 

If the fresh pvp server releases in, lets say, January, then the old pvp server might have the higher population in the short term. But in the long term, once the fresh pvp is established it will act as a filter for new players joining the server, just like it happened with K1/K2. The problem is that without the influx of new players, the server becomes stagnant. A lot of people simply stop playing or take breaks because of real life commitments, and without a sufficient amount of players joining to replace them, the population will slowly fade.

 

We also need to account for the fact that K2 was a "surprise" realm created to handle the high influx of nost players. In contrast, the fresh pvp realm was announced way before the actual launch so a lot of players are already saving themselves for the fresh server, and while they might create characters in old pvp realm, they already plan to put their efforts into the fresh realm.

 

Honestly, I hope that all 3 realms get an even spread, but given that this things can be predicted (which in turn compells players to focus on the fresh realm to avoid facing this problems in the long term), it is more likely that the fresh realm will absorb the highest amount of people.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Dralek 5]

Well TBH Kronos was already kinda dying. The nost closure sent loads of refugees there which resulted in the opening of Kronos 2 with which I can nearly 100% assure you was mostly (70 - 80%) nost refugees. (Kronos 2 will die over night on nost release.....) Which makes perfect sense. And PVE realms are way more popular then people think they are for the most part. There is just so few of them out there that the "Care Bears" are forced on the pvp realms. I have a feeling the PVE realm here is going to shock people. (It's the only option people have for PVE so if anything it's likely to out populate the old nost given time)

The population probably isn't going to be an even spread, it's obviously going to be fresh > PVP > PVE. though none of the realms are going to have a low pop. This much I can assure you. My estimate? The lowest will be average 3k. Which is already insane. We will see though lol there's no way to really know.

The straw poll you are talking about is discarded because 1. People don't care to vote 2. The ones that do are the ones that are interested in that topic, which is no surprise mostly the fresh rollers who are the most hyped and who have been delayed. Expected results from such a demographic. 3. Only takes into account about 10% of the dam population if that LOL not really a valid sample size to infer anything from at all. 4. People can just ваууing re vote and distort actual numbers very easily to push their agenda, (which is a waste of time I might add)

 

Yes, the PVE realm can grow because of the special quality it provides. I have no doubts about that. In fact since its release, it only grew. And considering it is still pretty new (MC progression) it also has the factor of being rather "fresh".

 

I agree the poll has many flaws, and must be taken with skepticism regarding its results, as most polls do. But it is still reasonable to assume it provides a tiny sample view of what the majority wants. I don't agree people don't vote in it. Most prolly do (takes 2 seconds to do it). And most of the community is following the conversations so its fair to assume most have seen it. But again, I concede that it is not something to use as prime evidence, I just don't think it can be dismissed altogether.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek