Quality of Life Changes?

[Antipatra 0]

Assume for a moment that Blizzard never released expansions, not even TBC. What changes would have eventually been made? Should certain things be considered for a vanilla server if they were talked about for a long time and just not implemented until later dates? One I can think of off the top of my head was Ret Paladin overhauls.

 

And let's forego the use of the word "blizzlike". Let's face it, if we were "blizzlike", we'd be 6 expansions deep and pissing off our playerbase until it steadily declined to a dead game. There's a reason there are a lot of people like us that still wish to play on a vanilla server, and that's because anything "blizzlike" is an insult. It's a stupid buzzword thrown around for no good reason except to immediately shutdown any discussion about proposed changes.

[Antipatra 0]

I'd also like to point out that an argument could be made that any changes off the beaten path could help keep this server alive.

[Worldstar 36]

Should certain things be considered for a vanilla server if they were talked about for a long time and just not implemented until later dates? One I can think of off the top of my head was Ret Paladin overhauls.

Lol no

[Destron 2]

Anything that modifies game files is currently not allowed. Operative word being currently. 

I responded to the wrong thread!

[Antipatra 0]

Lol no

 

Care to elaborate on why you think this way?

 

This wasn't even a call to change Retribution, either. It was just an example. You ignored the actual question.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Antipatra

[Glenzig 34]

Emulation. Look up the definition.

There are servers out there that do this already. If it was "good for the game", they would be more popular than they are.

[Worldstar 36]

Care to elaborate on why you think this way?

 

This wasn't even a call to change Retribution, either. It was just an example. You ignored the actual question

Well first, a QOL change is not buffing/nerfing certain classes. I'm not really sure why you said a QOL change would be changing ret pallys.

 

Second, QOL changes are part of what ruined the game over time.

 

Maybe you should clarify what you mean by QOL changes. The only QOL changes I can think of would be changes that are made client side (ex. FOV fix).

[Antipatra 0]

Well first, a QOL change is not buffing/nerfing certain classes. I'm not really sure why you said a QOL change would be changing ret pallys.

 

Second, QOL changes are part of what ruined the game over time.

 

That looks a lot like an opinion.

[Worldstar 36]

That looks a lot like an opinion.

 

You're arguing that buffing/nerfing classes is a QOL change? I want some of what you're smoking.

[Antipatra 0]

You're arguing that buffing/nerfing classes is a QOL change? I want some of what you're smoking.

 

You're arguing that "fixing" a long awaited/debated class isn't?

[bangkapow 0]

You're arguing that "fixing" a long awaited/debated class isn't?

 

Are you retarded or some фекал?

 

[Glenzig 34]

You're arguing that "fixing" a long awaited/debated class isn't?

How many people play a Paly as a main? It's only available to one faction, and only a out 20% of that faction will play play over warrior. The only QoL change would be for that minority of people.

If you're talking actual QoL changes, you're talking about overall gameplay changes, not just tweaks to your favorite class.

[Antipatra 0]

Are you retarded or some фекал?

 

Very constructive, thank you random newbie.

 

I'm not going to continue arguing the definition of a word, series of words, or with people that refuse to contribute anything other than their own half-assed opinions about something said offhand and/or completely off topic.

 

Let's go back to this;

 

What changes would have eventually been made?

 

And start over.

 

favorite class.

 

I don't even play a Paladin.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Antipatra

[Glenzig 34]

No changes would have ever been made. If there were never any expansions, WoW would have remained exactly as it was before TbC launched. For 12 years.

[Antipatra 0]

No changes would have ever been made. If there were never any expansions, WoW would have remained exactly as it was before TbC launched. For 12 years.

 

There was discussions and patches long before TBC. If you don't remember any, I don't know why you're still here.

[Xadaver 0]

Unfortunately the developers care more about "protecting the economy" than the legitimacy of their server. The recent DM E farming nerf is proof of this, essentially hurting regular players farming DM if it hurts the chinese gold farming mages as well, heaven forfend they actually go after those accounts instead of heavily nerfing a legitimate farming strategy.

The GMs also are particularly worrying, our domo loot chest despawned on Tuesday and despite having multiple screenshots and actual raidlogs of the kill and not receiving loot from the event we were told that we needed a video of the chest despawning, very unprofessional, kind of kills any incentive when poor scripting hurts the players yet again. Very disheartening!

[Tholren 7]

Oh boy, have you come to the wrong forums for this. Most people here will want to stab you based on the heretic topic of conversation you have brought up. Many here will only see you as a "retail kid" that wants free epics and an easier time to play the game. 

 

That aside, I still disagree with the overall idea, I'd rather see the server move unto TBC once it's done with Vanilla. You'll get a ret pally overhaul then (for example, of course)

[Glenzig 34]

There was discussions and patches long before TBC. If you don't remember any, I don't know why you're still here.

It's all speculation. My speculation is as valid as your speculation.

[Antipatra 0]

It's all speculation. My speculation is as valid as your speculation.

 

You clearly didn't play at launch.

 

Oh boy, have you come to the wrong forums for this. Most people here will want to stab you based on the heretic topic of conversation you have brought up. Many here will only see you as a "retail kid" that wants free epics and an easier time to play the game. 

 

That aside, I still disagree with the overall idea, I'd rather see the server move unto TBC once it's done with Vanilla. You'll get a ret pally overhaul then (for example, of course)

 

Probably, but discussion doesn't hurt anyone. These aren't changes that will be made, they are changes that could be made if the community would stop being stupid and just talk about it without throwing a fit.

 

Personally, I would rather the server stay vanilla. There are other servers in development that will start with TBC.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Antipatra

[Olé 0]

yo bout class fixing

 

only way to balance classes is to normalise everything and give everybody equivalent abilities

thats what happend to classes in retail

and theyre crap

[Tholren 7]

Probably, but discussion doesn't hurt anyone. These aren't changes that will be made, they are changes that could be made if the community would stop being stupid and just talk about it without throwing a fit.

 

Personally, I would rather the server stay vanilla. There are other servers in development that will start with TBC.

 

The server can have both, can't it? They will finish Vanilla eventually, and if willing, they could open up a TBC realm in which you could continue your progress, maintaining the old Vanilla realm for those who wanted to stay. Sounds pretty amazing to me.

[Tholren 7]

yo bout class fixing

 

only way to balance classes is to normalise everything and give everybody equivalent abilities

thats what happend to classes in retail

and theyre crap

 

Very untrue. Class balance is a mess in retail, a lot of specs (even entire classes, RIP locks) are currently useless for the most of it. Blizzard's incompetence isn't in their ideas (to provide class balance), it's in their failure to do execute them properly.

[Antipatra 0]

yo bout class fixing

 

only way to balance classes is to normalise everything and give everybody equivalent abilities

thats what happend to classes in retail

and theyre crap

 

It isn't so much about balance really, but I suppose it could be seen that way. It's more about changes that were always in the works and just got shelved until a later date or expansion.

[Glenzig 34]

You clearly didn't play at launch.

Probably, but discussion doesn't hurt anyone. These aren't changes that will be made, they are changes that could be made if the community would stop being stupid and just talk about it without throwing a fit.

Personally, I would rather the server stay vanilla. There are other servers in development that will start with TBC.

You asked us to assume what might have happened. Not sure why you're mad that someone might assume something differently than you.

I'm not sure why you're looking to make changes to the game though. This is a Vanilla WOW project with clearly set goals to emulate vanilla up to 1.12.1

There are actually servers that have chosen to implement custom changes. They tend to be less popular than classic styled servers.

[Xadaver 0]

Unfortunately the developers care more about "protecting the economy" than the legitimacy of their server. The recent DM E farming nerf is proof of this, essentially hurting regular players farming DM if it hurts the chinese gold farming mages as well, heaven forfend they actually go after those accounts instead of heavily nerfing a legitimate farming strategy.

The GMs also are particularly worrying, our domo loot chest despawned on Tuesday and despite having multiple screenshots and actual raidlogs of the kill and not receiving loot from the event we were told that we needed a video of the chest despawning, very unprofessional, kind of kills any incentive when poor scripting hurts the players yet again.