Warrior t1/2 on PVE server

[Nirinia 0]

I have a question about the T1/2 sets on the pve server. Are they not meant to have 50% more def on them than what they have atm?

[Undertanker 88]

Many items have more DEF at the 1.4 patch, than they will later on.  Some don't have any DEF at all.  This is not just limited to Tier gear.   Draconic deflector has loads of DEF on it in the early patch, though T2 legs have no DEF on them, so you'll actually use T1 over T2 legs if you get them before the they get updated.    Other than that the other Tier 1 for warriors pretty much stays the same.    Mages/locks initial T1 is LoL, more so than it already is.

Edited January 2, 2017 by Undertanker

[Nirinia 0]

the reason I was asking was that I read in some of the old patch notes for vanilla that they nerfed all +def items by 33% because they handed out defense far too cheaply.

[Undertanker 88]

Right.  This is in regards primarily to 5-man blues.  Just off the top of my head here, Draconian Deflector got hit the hardest with +15 def down to +10.   Force of Will from 10 Def to 7.  Many other blues.   At the same time, only deathbone chest will have +def on it in the early patches the boots/legs/belt/gloves will all be green pieces of crap that you will bank if you win.

The Tier 1 gear doesn't really get hit much with this +Def item squish, and it occurs before BWL.  T2 helm should remain untouched, and T2 legs actually get buffed to have Def as they start with no Def at all.

[Nirinia 0]

I found the patch notes for the defence drop - it was patch 1.7.0 and it affected all items.

"We have determined that the defense statistic was being applied to items too liberally, causing those items to be stronger than they should have been relative to other items of the same level with different effects. As a result, we have reduced the amount of defense points on all items with bonuses to defense by approximately 33% in order to bring those items in line with other similar items." Patch 1.7.0 notes

Edited January 2, 2017 by Hadesshadow

[Roflcakes 7]

8 hours ago, Undertanker said:

Right.  This is in regards primarily to 5-man blues.  Just off the top of my head here, Draconian Deflector got hit the hardest with +15 def down to +10.   Force of Will from 10 Def to 7.  Many other blues.   At the same time, only deathbone chest will have +def on it in the early patches the boots/legs/belt/gloves will all be green pieces of crap that you will bank if you win.

 Undertanker, is 1.4 when the deathbone boots/legs/belt/gloves got buffed to blue quality? The blue boots were pretty exceptional as they were the only ones with defence pre-raid if i remember correct.

Edit: I think it was 1.10 when they were buffed I believe.

Edited January 2, 2017 by Roflcakes

[Undertanker 88]

I"m thinking it was the BWL patch.

[Taurior 2]

 

18 hours ago, Roflcakes said:

 Undertanker, is 1.4 when the deathbone boots/legs/belt/gloves got buffed to blue quality? The blue boots were pretty exceptional as they were the only ones with defence pre-raid if i remember correct.

Edit: I think it was 1.10 when they were buffed I believe.

1.10 is correct

Here you can see the deathbone stats over time:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060415023256/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=124

Just shift through the dates by clicking on the arrows on the top of the page and match that date with the date of a patch :)

[Roflcakes 7]

1 hour ago, Taurior said:

 

1.10 is correct

Here you can see the deathbone stats over time:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060415023256/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=124

Just shift through the dates by clicking on the arrows on the top of the page and match that date with the date of a patch :)

Thanks for that, works nicely. 

That chest pre-defence nerf  has 25 defence, that's absurd,  the 2 set bonus is +5 def. Boot have always been a bad slot pre-raid to get defence; so using the boots and the chest nets you 30 defence.

This is the same amount of defence that you would get even after the boots get buffed to blue quality(17 from chest, 3 from 2 set and 10 from boots).

Post defence nerf you get a total of 20 defence from the 2 set. So if the information above is correct and the defence nerf occurs in 1.7 then, the chest and boots of that set provide highest defence pre-raid in their respective slots. 

 

[Nirinia 0]

I'd like to steer the conversation back towards my original post about the t1/2 defence values, all other gear ingame has the correct amount of defence on it except the t1/2 which has the postnerf values (ie the ones aowow shows on their database). Is this correct or not?