Banned for joining the gold spammer guild?

[Dwadler 0]

I believe, a few hours ago, everyone who accepted the invite to the guild that was labeled as one of the gold selling websites was banned. Can anyone confirm this? My account was banned and it was the only reason I can think of as none was given to me. I joined the guild specifically to avoid being spammed as there is no default option to turn off guild invites as far as I know (does /dnd solve it?).

 

Anyways, there were around 100 members in the guild at the time I got banned. I submitted my ban appeal the way mentioned on the site but wanted to know if anyone else was curious about this or has any information on allowing those players back into the game? I only saw one officer, and the leader, both with similar names that were part of the spam process. Everyone else seemed to just be a usual player trying to level.

[Shiamorah 20]

Joining an obvious gold seller guild implies intent... there have been multiple ways of approaching this issue that have been floating around. 

If you have any way to prove innocence then you might have a chance, but you engaged in contact with known gold sellers which is a violation of their terms

Edited January 3, 2017 by Shiamorah

[Dwadler 0]

Well I was unaware of a fix at the time and it wasn't until about 10 minutes before I was banned that I even realized my guild name was visible to everyone. It's been a very long time since I've played WoW. I don't remember all the mechanics of the game and so on. Yes, I realize that it is technically my fault for accepting the invite, but it was the best way I had of getting it to stop as I declined multiple times, so did many others who ended up joining.

I don't know what you mean by proving my innocence, I don't even know what site it was (nor would I say as I don't want to advertise for them on purpose). However, I have no knowledge of it even being a legitimate gold selling site. For instance, if my I make a joke guild called www.gold4u.com, which (in this scenario) does not even exist, am I still promoting gold selling and violating some term?

I will do all I can to double check the terms of service for Elysium, but I do think this mass banning should be reverted for anyone who was not specifically trying to advertise the gold sellers. I simply wanted to quest in peace. If anyone who works / volunteers for Elysium can give me an update about this, that would be great. Until then, I'll wait for my ban appeal to be read. Does anyone know if you receive an email update or anything once the ban appeal has been looked into? I'd like to know where to check for an update on my account.

 

Edit: I've read the ToS, and this is all I found involving gold selling.

"

VI. Trading Virtual Goods/Services

 

Elysium does not condone the trade of virtual goods or services appearing or originating from the Game, or any other attributes associated with an account or any component thereof for real money, or exchange those items, currencies or services for value outside of the Game.

 

Elysium staff reserves the right to close any account involved in such transaction.

"

Based on this information, I don't believe I've broken the terms. I still apologize for joining the guild as it does mean I did accidentally advertise for them. However, I don't believe I did anything that requires my account be / stay banned.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Dwadler

[MemberVanilla 0]

Same things happened to me last night... Made my Ban appeal and got no help. 

[Dwadler 0]

Considering the immense number of bans from this happening, I'm sure it'll take time for them to get through all the ban appeals. I'm just hoping that it's well known that most of them are due to people not wanting to be spam invited, and therefore should have the ban lifted as it's an unfair punishment for simply trying to play in peace.

[Microdots 7]

I'm curious as to why you would join a guild that clearly was pushing a website in the first place. 

[Glenzig 34]

1 hour ago, Dwadler said:

Considering the immense number of bans from this happening, I'm sure it'll take time for them to get through all the ban appeals. I'm just hoping that it's well known that most of them are due to people not wanting to be spam invited, and therefore should have the ban lifted as it's an unfair punishment for simply trying to play in peace.

Who knows. Maybe they will be lenient. Can't really blame them for banning people that clicked the Accept button to a blatantly obvious gold seller advertisement. There are several ways you could have dealt with the problem that didn't involve accepting the invite. 

1. Join a different guild.

2. Gather up some people and make a antispam guild and let people know they can join you to escape the spam. 

3. Log off and see if there is some sort of filter for this.

[Dwadler 0]

Microdots, if you read my entire post, you'd see my reasoning for joining. However, I'll say it again here. I joined to have the spam invites come to and end.

Clenzig, two things to note. Some people may have accepted by accident and not realized what happened or how to leave a guild. You have to remember, not everyone is well versed in the MMO genre. Secondly, which is what happened in my case, is that I simply wanted to avoid the spam. I was curious as to who else may have had the same idea, apparently around 100 players did. I don't blame them for banning someone who is technically advertising a gold spammer, but your solutions are not fully viable either.

For instance, you may not have the option to join any other guild very quickly. Maybe nobody will invite you. If you don't have friends or friends online, making your own guild can be a little difficult at the lower levels. Lastly, logging off during my free time to play isn't something I really intended to do.

Like I said, in my specific case, I joined out of curiosity and to stop the spam as an immediate solution. It worked fine, I wasn't getting any spam, and I was able to quest for about 15 minutes. Then I was banned. I know this happened to other people and my only goal is to see how many and let our voice be heard, that's the purpose of the forum.

 

[Microdots 7]

7 minutes ago, Dwadler said:

Microdots, if you read my entire post, you'd see my reasoning for joining. However, I'll say it again here. I joined to have the spam invites come to and end.

Still, it falls on you for joining to get away from the spam invites. 

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Wait... wait.. let me understand this..... he joined a guild that was an obvious gold selling advertisement................................................ to avoid spam???? So I might be a little ill informed, but if they made a guild to promote gold selling, what made him think that they wouldn't spam the crap out of him in guild chat? Give this kid a safe space, because he just went full r-tard.

[Erjh8765 19]

The way to block the guild invites from the Chinaman goldseller (what a surprise) was simply to put him on ignore.

I am sure you knew that and you are now wasting our time by trying to pose as little red riding hood.

 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Erjh8765

[Dwadler 0]

It's sad the community on here is so bad. If you had an understanding of English, you'd see I said I was curious about whether or not they spammed their own chat and who else had joined. It turned out that nobody was spamming in the guild, it was actually rather quest aside from me talking to a couple others who joined for the same reason. I do not understand what is so complicated to you guys and why you're so rude about it.

 

Edit: Just read the post above this one. I had no idea ignoring would prevent it actually, and considering they could just keep using different bots, it doesn't seem like a very viable answer. If you think I'm wasting your time, simply don't answer. This thread was made purely to bring attention to a large group of banned players who didn't break the terms of service and just want to play the game.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Dwadler
Confusion

[Microdots 7]

Just now, Dwadler said:

It's sad the community on here is so bad. If you had an understanding of English, you'd see I said I was curious about whether or not they spammed their own chat and who else had joined. It turned out that nobody was spamming in the guild, it was actually rather quest aside from me talking to a couple others who joined for the same reason. I do not understand what is so complicated to you guys and why you're so rude about it.

Your curiosity killed your account. As for people not understanding English, players are reading your post and wondering why you would even think about joining in the first place. It just wasn't smart to join in the first place and as Elysium has a zero policy for anything related to gold selling / trading or real money transactions. So it was your own fault for joining in the first place so just start over and learn from your mistake. 

As for players being rude there is a saying that most everyone knows and it goes like this, "The truth hurts."

[Dwadler 0]

Then they should make it clear about wondering rather than just name calling and blatant misunderstanding. Secondly, calling me a retard is actually just rude. There is no place for pointless insults. You guys seem to just pretend you're better than anyone who made a mistake and you're acting as if I should be banned for good. If that's the case, why do you want your server to lose players who are simply trying to play and enjoy the game?

Legitimately I am curious as to what the thought process is that goes into your replies. What is wrong with bringing attention to something that happened that I think should be reverted? As I said already, if it's making you that upset and it's a waste of time, you have absolutely no obligation to spend your precious time replying to the thread. It's actually that simple.

[idontcareforfsake 0]

Yeah, actually I will not miss this community and to be honest I thought it was much better. Mistakes can happen, but all they say is that you are an idiot, because you haven't done this, or that, etc.. I wish the same people saying that, taste the ваууig ban and then see and feel the ignorance of the so called volunteers and фекал... I am done with this server, yet I really hope it changes for the good of the future players and the non toxic current ones. 

I like how it's our fault, because they can't manage their problems. I've been hacked many times in retail, yet I didn't hav to complain in forums and to be honest, right now I ваууing hate myself saying this, because I love private servers. The sad truth is that the management of most private servers is ваууing фекал. I really liked this server, but i prefer to play with less people in a server where i know that this wouldn't happen.

 

[Glenzig 34]

4 minutes ago, Dwadler said:

Then they should make it clear about wondering rather than just name calling and blatant misunderstanding. Secondly, calling me a retard is actually just rude. There is no place for pointless insults. You guys seem to just pretend you're better than anyone who made a mistake and you're acting as if I should be banned for good. If that's the case, why do you want your server to lose players who are simply trying to play and enjoy the game?

Legitimately I am curious as to what the thought process is that goes into your replies. What is wrong with bringing attention to something that happened that I think should be reverted? As I said already, if it's making you that upset and it's a waste of time, you have absolutely no obligation to spend your precious time replying to the thread. It's actually that simple.

You started the thread. Don't get mad if people point out your poor decision making. Mistakes often times have serious consequences. I have seen one rude reply. The others have been more or less pining out that instead of doing something thoughtless and asking to have your ban overturned (which would be perfectly fine with everyone here if they did), you could have taken steps to avoid both the guild spam, and a ban.

If you're not happy with honest direct feedback, don't start a thread about it. Just keep it to yourself.

[Dwadler 0]

Like I mentioned, not everyone has the option to join a guild. I, myself, was one of those poor souls. I didn't have a guild waiting to invite me or anything like that. Maybe I should have messaged in general chat to join any other guild, but I didn't think about that at the time. However, that doesn't even mean someone would invite me to begin with. The logic of having any guild open to join is flawed, especially if the people running them act like the people who have been replying to this thread. Thanks for the hat though, I've been needing a new one.

[Dwadler 0]

I was never mad about anything. I even started the thread off saying it was clearly the wrong choice. There's an obviously large misunderstanding between my posts and what people are reading, because, clearly, nobody can comprehend that I actually stated I shouldn't have done it. So they are essentially doing something thoughtless as you put it. It may be honest feedback, but it's very indirect. If you can't comprehend that I just wanted to bring attention to a large group of bannings that didn't necessarily need to happen, then why are you here? This was meant to be a thread for others to reply that had the same issue to show that it is an issue. Instead, it is flooded with people looking to insult someone on the internet and I simply don't know why.

[Pokecão 0]

Are People taking ban simply by joining a guild? This is real?

[Microdots 7]

 

Just now, Dwadler said:

Like I mentioned, not everyone has the option to join a guild. I, myself, was one of those poor souls. I didn't have a guild waiting to invite me or anything like that. Maybe I should have messaged in general chat to join any other guild, but I didn't think about that at the time. However, that doesn't even mean someone would invite me to begin with. The logic of having any guild open to join is flawed, especially if the people running them act like the people who have been replying to this thread. Thanks for the hat though, I've been needing a new one.

There are tons of social guilds out there always recruiting saying you didn't have the option is a cop-out. Also, after doing some investigating I found something out for those of you who are banned because of this or the ban wave. 

Elysium reserves the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to increase a sanction, suspend or terminate your use of the service at any time, for any reason or for no reason, with or without prior notice to you.

2 minutes ago, Dwadler said:

I was never mad about anything. I even started the thread off saying it was clearly the wrong choice. There's an obviously large misunderstanding between my posts and what people are reading, because, clearly, nobody can comprehend that I actually stated I shouldn't have done it. So they are essentially doing something thoughtless as you put it. It may be honest feedback, but it's very indirect. If you can't comprehend that I just wanted to bring attention to a large group of bannings that didn't necessarily need to happen, then why are you here? This was meant to be a thread for others to reply that had the same issue to show that it is an issue. Instead, it is flooded with people looking to insult someone on the internet and I simply don't know why.

Not everyone is being insulting towards you. Some just don't understand why you would in the first place. We know you told us but it's just common logic not to get involved with gold sellers period otherwise you could be flagged and banned in association to them. 

9 hours ago, Dwadler said:

I believe, a few hours ago, everyone who accepted the invite to the guild that was labeled as one of the gold selling websites was banned. Can anyone confirm this? My account was banned and it was the only reason I can think of as none was given to me. I joined the guild specifically to avoid being spammed as there is no default option to turn off guild invites as far as I know (does /dnd solve it?).

 

Anyways, there were around 100 members in the guild at the time I got banned. I submitted my ban appeal the way mentioned on the site but wanted to know if anyone else was curious about this or has any information on allowing those players back into the game? I only saw one officer, and the leader, both with similar names that were part of the spam process. Everyone else seemed to just be a usual player trying to level.

So just looking at your other post the one you started with you clearly didn't state that you did the wrong choice. You explained why you did it but there was no admission to it being the wrong choice. 

[Microdots 7]

2 minutes ago, Vuash said:

Are People taking ban simply by joining a guild? This is real?

Some players so far have been banned for joining a guild which is associated with gold sellers. But, I honestly believe their is more to the story than we currently have otherwise there would be 50+ posts about this not just one or two.

[Dwadler 0]

I guess it's possible that everyone who joined, other than me, was someone purchasing gold or something similar. However, from talking to some of them, I doubt that's the case and the likelihood of that is extremely low. It's much more likely that those players don't know about the forum or not many want to post, especially after seeing the way someone who mentions it is treated.

And yes, I know they reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason, that would also be known as a cop-out. However, it doesn't mean that I specifically broke any terms of service. I never once mentioned it was wrong of them to ban me, I simply asked for it to be reverted. There may be social guilds out there, but there were none in my general chat at the time and I am unaware of any other chat channels that help with recruiting. I am new to this server and I really don't know much about it, and have not played WoW in many years.

And you're correct, I mentioned it was my fault in my second post, not my first post. However, this was still long before most of the replies were made, so what is the difference there?

[Shiamorah 20]

Dwadler, I think the extremely obvious point here is that you did exactly what players intending to break the rules did. 

 

I am very sorry if this was an innocent mistake on your part, but the point is that there is no way to tell if it was indeed an innocent mistake, or if you had malicious intent and was surprised to see how quickly your actions could get you banned.

The problem with your argument is that even if it is the truth, every single legitimate rulebreaker can say the same exact thing. I've only been here for a short time, but there is already a very obvious trend that rule breakers pose as innocent and ignorant players.

if you have proof that distinguishes you from these malicious liars that say the same exact thing you are, then you have a chance at being unbanned. The point everyone is trying to make here (and admittedly some less professional than others) is that your argument holds no ground, because virtually every actual rule breaker can say the same exact thing.

[Glenzig 34]

31 minutes ago, Dwadler said:

Like I mentioned, not everyone has the option to join a guild. I, myself, was one of those poor souls. I didn't have a guild waiting to invite me or anything like that. Maybe I should have messaged in general chat to join any other guild, but I didn't think about that at the time. However, that doesn't even mean someone would invite me to begin with. The logic of having any guild open to join is flawed, especially if the people running them act like the people who have been replying to this thread. Thanks for the hat though, I've been needing a new one.

Every time you post, you're just making yourself look worse. There are always tons of guild recruitments in general, trade, world. Most of them are for social guilds that would gladly take anyone. You're not a poor soul. You just didn't stop for five minutes to think, and now you want people to feel bad for your banned account.

[Dwadler 0]

Shiamorah, it may not be known to anyone other than myself that it was innocent or malicious. However, does that mean that I shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt? I know it's not up to you guys (this community) to decide whether or not I get unbanned, however, am I guilty until proven innocent in this case? I simply hope that even if I am not unabnned, the Elysium support is more courteous than what I'm seeing here. I do not see how everyone is making that point though, you're the only one to come out with an actual explanation and I respect that. However, there is absolutely no evidence of me buying / selling gold. The only thing that can be found is I joined the guild and a few messages I posted into the guild chat about how joining stopped the spam. I hope chat is logged somewhere for that to be looked into, but otherwise it is simply up to the support team. All I wanted was to raise awareness. If someone had malicious intent and was unbanned, they'll get banned again and not be treated the same. However, if someone who was innocent is being banned and does not get unbanned, that's just a good way to keep people from joining. I have yet to see any point where it is any sort of clear rule violation that I pressed accept on a guild invitation.

As for Glenzig, I legitimately believe you cannot comprehend what this thread is about. I don't have much to say to you other than you're clearly misunderstanding what is going on. There were no recruitment messages in the general chat I was in at the time (Ashenvale). Furthermore, I don't care whether or not people feel bad for me, I just wanted a place to see if anyone else was having this issue. I even asked for someone to confirm my suspicions in my first post. Clearly you can't, so why are you here?