Nogar 5 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 hunter running into my blizzard to flag me as pvp, is this considered griefing? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ellipsea 36 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Nope. That's pvp on a pve server. Totally legit. Personally, I never use any aoe effects when opposing faction is around unless i want the possibility of some pvp. Edited January 5, 2017 by Ellipsea 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aderlass 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Ellipsea said: Nope. That's pvp on a pve server. Totally legit. Personally, I never use any aoe effects when opposing faction is around unless i want the possibility of some pvp. You are wrong. This is, in fact, considered griefing as this is the exploitation of a bug, which was confirmed to us by a GM. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ellipsea 36 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 You're going to have to show me that confirmation my friend. Neither aoe spells or self flagging are a bug. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Microdots 7 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Aderlass said: You are wrong. This is, in fact, considered griefing as this is the exploitation of a bug, which was confirmed to us by a GM. Link to post so I can bookmark it for future references. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aderlass 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 Unfortunaetly I don't know if this was stated here in the forums, but a GM told us this ingame. One of my guildmates who leveled a AoE-mage reported several players for this kind of behaviour and they were indeed banned. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ellipsea 36 Report post Posted January 5, 2017 I don't doubt a GM might take this stance, and I hate saying "Blizzlike", but honestly to ban someone for using the /pvp command in a dbag way doesn't make any sense at all, it's part of the reason the command exists and has been used in this exact way since day one. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTL 6 Report post Posted January 6, 2017 It's really hard to believe you can get banned for this... I'd hate to be someone targets with AoE and starts attacking me, having me kill them just so they can open a ticket lol. Not sure how they would even prove this. If AoE is flagging people and shouldn't be, make AoE ability/weapon procs do no damage to enemy yellow name players or whatever... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelythia 44 Report post Posted January 6, 2017 This is allowed. As long as you don't intentionally flag someone with using items its fine. Running in your AOE is reasonable flagging 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gamemechanic 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2017 On 05-01-2017 at 11:43 PM, Aderlass said: You are wrong. This is, in fact, considered griefing as this is the exploitation of a bug, which was confirmed to us by a GM. This could be considered griefing. But this isn't a bug..... Trust me. I am a Gamemechanic. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeTosc 1 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 On 5/1/2017 at 10:53 AM, Nogar said: hunter running into my blizzard to flag me as pvp, is this considered griefing? This is griefing through bug using, if I were you I would open a ticket to report him. AoE shouldn't hit flagged players or pets if you are not flagged. This has always been the case. Unfortunately it was not working properly with all spells from the beginning of Vanilla. Blizzard fixed these spells, i.e. please see Patch 1.7.0 http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.7.0 Consecration and other similar spells can no longer be used by non-PvP flagged players to damage PvP flagged enemies. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gamemechanic 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 3 hours ago, DeTosc said: This is griefing through bug using, if I were you I would open a ticket to report him. AoE shouldn't hit flagged players or pets if you are not flagged. This has always been the case. Unfortunately it was not working properly with all spells from the beginning of Vanilla. Blizzard fixed these spells, i.e. please see Patch 1.7.0 http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.7.0 That source only confirms a change in patch 1.7. It doesn't confirm it is a bug. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syff 23 Report post Posted January 11, 2017 Thanks for the suggestion! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ujjayi 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2017 Hehe, clever use of game mechanics - be careful out there! ;) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charistoph 1 Report post Posted January 26, 2017 One time on Retail, I was starting a new Orc character and a NElf Charmed Sarkoth, Flagged, and then used his Stealth Racial to hide in the same area waiting for newbies to come hunting the Quest Mob. It had been a while since I had started an Orc character and thought it was odd that Sarkoth had a Focus bar. I then found out why he had a Focus bar when I went to go hit him for the Quest and then got 1-shotted by that griefing NElf. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxysocks 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Is not Allowed, not clever use of game design - Griefer's beware Edited January 27, 2017 by Foxysocks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luxon 5 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/ I cant find anything about this situation under section D (griefing), very promising when they enforce nonexistent rules or maybe just this GM doesnt know what hes talking about 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxysocks 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Luxon said: https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21966-terms-of-use-rules-regulations/ I cant find anything about this situation under section D (griefing), very promising when they enforce nonexistent rules or maybe just this GM doesnt know what hes talking about Immediately attacking the GM's credibility is a very shallow argument in defense of the griefing. While various forms of griefing may be allowed. Griefing other players may not warrent action in certain situations depending on how its done. But completely disallowing them from using AoE abilities, which sometimes a mage has to use (Frost Nova) on a PVE server is abusing a known vanilla bug that was later fixed. Timeline wise if it existed on vanilla and was later deemed a bug then it is indeed a bug and a KNOWN bug. Just because said bug exsit's on the server and hasn't been fixed "ahead of schedule" in the patch timeline does not mean it is allowed and by definition would be abusing a KNOWN bug 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelythia 44 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 It is not a bug. What this GM says is actually not true. He either missunderstood the situation/question or he doesn't know it himself correctly. It got changed in a later vanilla patch, until then its not a bug. It is blizzlike. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luxon 5 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Foxysocks said: Immediately attacking the GM's credibility is a very shallow argument in defense of the griefing. While various forms of griefing may be allowed. Griefing other players may not warrent action in certain situations depending on how its done. But completely disallowing them from using AoE abilities, which sometimes a mage has to use (Frost Nova) on a PVE server is abusing a known vanilla bug that was later fixed. Timeline wise if it existed on vanilla and was later deemed a bug then it is indeed a bug and a KNOWN bug. Just because said bug exsit's on the server and hasn't been fixed "ahead of schedule" in the patch timeline does not mean it is allowed and by definition would be abusing a KNOWN bug Going with this line of thought summoning stones not working is a bug cause it was implemented in a later patch. Either way, GM won't be able to quote any rule from their own ruleset so if it is indeed their standpoint on this matter then they should include it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxysocks 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 Blizzlike = bug and deemed a bug at later time = PRIOR KNOWLEDGE KNOWN BUG You people flat out do not understand the concept of prior knowledge. If you know something is a bug and was changed and or fixed at a later time, and abuse it it. It is abusing a KNOWN BUG, whether that bug is in the game to be blizzlike / classic / vanilla or however you wish to convince yourself otherwise. Think of it... in Vanilla WoW you could change the game files of Ahn Quiraj 40 to fall thru the ground at after the first boss and skip the entire zone right to C'thun. Say this was made possible on Elysium to be "Blizzlike". However doing it would still be abusing a known bug, you have prior knowledge of things that where fixed or changed and deemed bug's in later patches, thus abusing them is by definition abusing a known bug, just because it was a bug during X patch to Y patch doesnt mean it's ok to abuse during that timeline, nor is it the servers resposibility to fix these known bugs out of timeline sequence (AKA = earlier than the patch they where fixed) But that doesn't mean that's its still not a BUG and being ABUSED I find it funny that you all immediately attack the GM's credibility and simply state again your dry opinion that it is blizzlike and not a bug, when it indeed was a known bug and that's why it was changed. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxysocks 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Luxon said: Going with this line of thought summoning stones not working is a bug cause it was implemented in a later patch. Either way, GM won't be able to quote any rule from their own ruleset so if it is indeed their standpoint on this matter then they should include it. To remain blizz-like in timeline some known bugs or things implemented in later patches should not be included, because they where not fixed until later on the orginal timeline - however that doesnt omit them, they are still considered a bug, and a known bug at that. However to remain timeline specific certain bugs may remain for several patches AQ40 skip was a bug on vanilla , do you think that will be not bug abuse if a guild decides to change their game files to skip directly to C'thun? How about the paladin DI skipping Razorgore Phase 1? These things exsisted on Vanilla WoW do they get a free pass, should guilds get a free pass to exploit these bugs until the patch they where fixed? Prior knowlege of these bugs and the fact that they exsisted does not equate them to not being bugs, And if they are known about and done with intention knowningly, that by definition of abuse of a known bug Edited January 27, 2017 by Foxysocks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luxon 5 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 AQ40 skip required every player to change the MPQ files and the textures. Its not really a bug since its not possible without the modification of the game. It is quite clear that you was on the receiving end of this "griefing", just calm down and wait for a clarification. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxysocks 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Luxon said: AQ40 skip required every player to change the MPQ files and the textures. Its not really a bug since its not possible without the modification of the game. It is quite clear that you was on the receiving end of this "griefing", just calm down and wait for a clarification. Already got clarification, the players where removed from the area, delayed me for all of like 3minutes - which Is why I am warning all the players that have convinced themselves otherwise TLDR; If a bug existed on the vanilla servers from patch (A) to patch (D). And it exsist's on this server to remain "blizz-like" does not mean that it is not a bug. It is still a bug that is allowed to remain on the server to remain "blizzlike" however abusing said bug for personal gain or griefing is just that... abusing a known bug - the griefing is not specifically against the rules of the server, but abusing a known bug is, regardless of these bugs are allowed to remain intentionally on the server to remain "Blizz-like" or correct within the vanilla timeline. That does not mean it gets a free pass to abuse said bugs from patch (A) up until the end of patch (C) you have knowledge that it was a bug and changed during original vanilla WoW However it is ok for these bugs to exists on the server in order to remain "blizz-like" and true to the timeline , as moving up their fixes several patches prior would not be true to the original patch timeline Your understanding of prior knowledge and the fact that certain bugs can be put on the server inentionally does not mean they are not a bug, and abusing said bug is the rule violation. Edited January 27, 2017 by Foxysocks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aderlass 1 Report post Posted January 27, 2017 Luxon is right though, they should definitely add this to the griefing section of the TOU. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
