Black Lotus and the Flask Hype

[Ram 11]

Hey guys,

Since there are so many people thinking that Black Lotus and the flasks from it are ABSOLUTELY mandatory and a universal remedy to all problems, I feel obligated to create this thread. Yes, many raid leaders will want you to use Flasks, but unless you are trying a server first or speed run with a very good core of strong players, where everyone is minmaxing his character, these flasks are nice to have but not unnecessary. Let me give you some examples for it:

You are playing in the 4th best guild of your server and your faction and are trying a MC speed run. The top guild clears it 20+ minutes faster than your raid. Now, before forcing every raid member to use Flasks, you should better do a proper raid analysis and find strategies to skip more trash mobs, have less downtimes (e.g. handing out loot, long assignments before boss pulls, waiting with next trash pulls after a boss has been slain, waiting for slacking players, ...). All these downtimes, which are not connected to the benefits a flasks can give you, will most likely have a bigger impact on your speed run time than the Flask. So unless you have managed to get rid of all these "human errors", using flasks is not the best way to increase your performance.

Which automatically leads to the next example (already mentioned): Human errors. If you have flasked people in your raid who daydream and cast 3 frost bolts less than other mages without flask or take 2 seconds more to adobt to new situations, the gain from the flask is nullified by missing experience or skill of how to play your class. Take your time to help other, weaker players in your guild to improve, if they take your advice. Talk to them and offer them guidance. This way you will achieve a permanent performance increase, which is not based on the stress/time consumption and cost of lotus aquiration.

Using flasks for your personal performance increase and to top the meters in your guild is also a double-edged sword. Let's stick to the 4th best guild example. You got all world buffs and performance increasing stuff for your class, including a flask and are a skilled player. Most likely, you will top the meters in your own guild and will be an outstanding player. But still, you are like 100 or more dps/healing away from the server best guild, and you wonder why you can't reach those other guys in dps/healing. It's simply because your raid as a whole does not deliver enough performance. It's not your personal skill, but it's the average performance of your raid that drags your dps down. If your raid kills ragnaros within 2 minutes and the top raiding guild kills it in 1min 20s, they will OF COURSE have a higher damage per SECOND, because they spend less seconds killing the boss.

 

TLDR: Unless you are in one of the top 3 raiding guilds, you should not consider using flasks (and therefore black lotus) as universal remedy.

 

Keep your flaming for you, bring rational and logical arguments instead (yeah I know, it's the Internet and what I am asking from you is like telling a 3 year old child not to take the chocolate from the table and keeping the child alone with the chocolate on the table for two hours).

Kind Regards,

 

Ram

[judgejewdy 0]

its nice for anyone trying to progress and flasks might make the diffrence of 3% to 0% on boss

[Uglyaf 9]

If u r in casual guild you not gonna use flasks anyway. But srs pve guilds doing bwl in 50-70 mins then u have to use it. If u cant afford flask then just leave this guild, join casual guild or quit playing vanilla. There are many methods of making gold in 12 years old game, if u struggling to get gold I suppose u r newbie who has no idea what vanilla gameplay look like. 50% of the time u preparing for current/future raids. U probably one of those guys who has not prepared for aq40 yet and as soon as it opens all u gonna do is cry about prices.

Edited January 9, 2017 by Uglyaf

[noob257 36]

9 minutes ago, Uglyaf said:

U probably one of those guys who has not prepared for aq40 yet and as soon as it opens all u gonna do is cry about prices.

 

I think he is talking about the situation on Elysium-PvP. Black Lotus will be BoP until patch 1.7 and this is going to result in very high prices for flasks.

[Uglyaf 9]

1 минуту назад, noob257 сказал:

 

I think he is talking about the situation on Elysium-PvP. Black Lotus will be BoP until patch 1.7 and this is going to result in very high prices for flasks.

Open your eyes m8. He has not mentioned ely. He is just salty that some herbers making thousands of gold every week just by gathering bl.

[noob257 36]

11 minutes ago, Uglyaf said:

Open your eyes m8. He has not mentioned ely.

He didn't mention Nostalrius either.

[Ram 11]

Very "valid" and "rich" opinions amongst the replies so far. Just what was to be expected.

 

P.s. if you rely on flasking in order to bring a boss from 3% to 0%, you should propably play lego and not wow.

[Oakenlix 79]

2 hours ago, Ram said:

(yeah I know, it's the Internet and what I am asking from you is like telling a 3 year old child not to take the chocolate from the table and keeping the child alone with the chocolate on the table for two hours).

Yeah, fuck you too, I guess?

[masochisme 4]

1 hour ago, Uglyaf said:

If u r in casual guild you not gonna use flasks anyway. But srs pve guilds doing bwl in 50-70 mins then u have to use it. If u cant afford flask then just leave this guild, join casual guild or quit playing vanilla. There are many methods of making gold in 12 years old game, if u struggling to get gold I suppose u r newbie who has no idea what vanilla gameplay look like. 50% of the time u preparing for current/future raids. U probably one of those guys who has not prepared for aq40 yet and as soon as it opens all u gonna do is cry about prices.

So you think flasks and "preparation" are mandatory to clear 12 years old content... You still have a lot to learn then.

WoW PVE is easy as вау. Especially on a private server..

[Uglyaf 9]

1 минуту назад, masochisme сказал:

So you think flasks and "preparation" are mandatory to clear 12 years old content... You still have a lot to learn then.

WoW PVE is easy as вау. Especially on a private server..

I feel u my casual friend. Dont use consumables then. You can join one of those guilds with backpedaling clickers who dont use consumables so you can enjoy 5+hr mc runs.  Ah wait you might as well play Legion then.

[noob257 36]

2 minutes ago, Uglyaf said:

Ah wait you might as well play Legion then.

This is funny. I DO play Legion and you sound exactly like a typical heroic raider on retail.

[Ram 11]

12 minutes ago, Uglyaf said:

I feel u my casual friend. Dont use consumables then. You can join one of those guilds with backpedaling clickers who dont use consumables so you can enjoy 5+hr mc runs.  Ah wait you might as well play Legion then.

You do not seem to be able either communicate in a proper tone nor you seem to have ebough brain capacities to get the point of this thread. So that even you understand it: gtfo fagget!

 

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@masochisme: 100% agree with you.

[Uglyaf 9]

18 минут назад, Ram сказал:

You do not seem to be able either communicate in a proper tone nor you seem to have ebough brain capacities to get the point of this thread. So that even you understand it: gtfo fagget!

 

No worries I will leave this topic. Reading your nonsense just gave me cancer. pce

[Smiter 9]

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[Smiter 9]

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[Smiter 9]

People that are more tryhard like to use flasks boost their performance in raids. Its not always about trying to beat the top guild BC 99% of raiders will never come close to the dps of a top guild just because they are not killing the bosses in like 30 seconds. In any decent raiding guild everyone would be using consumables. A flask is enough to push you over the top of everyone else in your guild.

[Ram 11]

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Exactly. With this thread I am only trying to point out that the state of the raid being flasked or not does not decide if it's a clear run or not. Thus the flask is overrated and many people should consider this instead of using them brainlessly.

[Lifealert 19]

Enjoy your 4 hour MCs because you don't have BWL gear to get thru it fast enough and flasks are 400g. 

[Lifealert 19]

Just now, Henceforth said:

Enjoy your vanilla experience.

HEH

[Ram 11]

4hrs mc? Not even on retail back in 2005 pre BWL when Locks played in t0, which had agi on it, it took u that long. You just have a great guild!