Scumbag Hunter

[Fisher 5]

1 minute ago, Zimmerman said:

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Cool story, bro.

In all seriousness, congratulations. Well done not complaining that someone tried to ruin it for you and well done doing what was necessary to get it for yourself. 

Need more folks who don't whine every time something negative happens. Need more folks who suck it up and deal with it.

[Perkalov 0]

9 hours ago, Fisher said:

Things raid leaders care about:

• Are you a ninja?

 

Yes, well. If you truly live by the standards you suggest, then you are a ninja.

[Fisher 5]

15 hours ago, Perkalov said:

Yes, well. If you truly live by the standards you suggest, then you are a ninja.

Not really. Your raid leader isn't going to say "Okay here, looks like you're in full T2, have a decent pet, have logs showing you do great DPS... OH! Wait... says here you tamed Broken Tooth by pulling it off another hunter. Sorry, we can't have you in our group."

They're going to care about things that matter, like ninjaing epics you can't use, or weren't supposed to get, like rolling Need when everyone else agreed to roll Greed.

[Bjornson 0]

I call the police !

[Perkalov 0]

5 hours ago, Fisher said:

Not really. Your raid leader isn't going to say "Okay here, looks like you're in full T2, have a decent pet, have logs showing you do great DPS... OH! Wait... says here you tamed Broken Tooth by pulling it off another hunter. Sorry, we can't have you in our group."

They're going to care about things that matter, like ninjaing epics you can't use, or weren't supposed to get, like rolling Need when everyone else agreed to roll Greed.

What you are implying is that you correct your behaviour because it has a direct and noticeable negative impact to you (you wont be running any raids). However, if you apply the behaviour you earlier suggested in raids/groups/guild, you will ninja everything, since it is beneficial to you and you do not care for the effects it might have to others. Or are you willing to share in raids because of that warm and fuzzy feeling???

[Fisher 5]

1 hour ago, Perkalov said:

What you are implying is that you correct your behaviour because it has a direct and noticeable negative impact to you (you wont be running any raids). However, if you apply the behaviour you earlier suggested in raids/groups/guild, you will ninja everything, since it is beneficial to you and you do not care for the effects it might have to others. Or are you willing to share in raids because of that warm and fuzzy feeling???

I suppose you didn't bother to read my other posts, or failed to understand the context of what I said. I never said you should ninja loot, so don't twist my words around like some conniving little snake. Everything I said was about taming rare pets and tagging quest mobs.

On 1/15/2017 at 3:36 AM, Fisher said:

These realms are a little too populated to be worrying about what some fellow hunter thinks about how you manage to steal the pet that was "his."

If you want to wait around for hours for a pet that every hunter in the game wants, be prepared to do some scummy things to get it, or you'll be making a QQ thread every few hours when someone better than you gets it instead.

As you can see, initially I said a hunter should do what they need to if they want a pet that every other hunter wants, e.g. Broken Tooth.

On 1/15/2017 at 4:23 PM, Fisher said:

It's no different than sitting around near a quest mob and racing to get the tag so you get credit. If a couple of folks get butthurt and say "that's not cool, man! What a jerk!", so be it. There are so many people on these realms, I don't really care if two or three are mad I "stole" "their" pet from them.

Honestly, I'm just trying to give you some life advice. People will not be honorable about things like rare pets, quest mobs, etc. If you are the nice guy, you will spend much of your time being upset that people didn't do the same. Save yourself the trouble and the time. Employ whatever tactics are necessary to get what you want.

Notice how in my second post, again I was speaking about rare pets, but further explained my stance on the issue by including quest mobs to describe the similarities between the two scenarios. Both are named NPCs with longer respawn times than "normal" mobs, and I personally do not believe it is a bad thing for someone to do what they have to in order to get the tag.

On 1/15/2017 at 9:29 PM, Fisher said:

There's no legal repercussions for being "dishonorable." You won't get arrested; you won't get banned from the server; you'll still get invites to groups. The one and only reason you have to be "honorable" is it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Well, sorry, but I care more about getting rare pets, quest mob tags, and leveling fast than I care about some hunter's feelings. The reason you shouldn't do the honorable thing is because it's entirely at your detriment.

Third post, repeating the same thing; never once said to ninja. However, it's at this point I can understand why you might get my words twisted. I said the reason you shouldn't do the honorable thing is because it's entirely at your detriment. I figured anyone who understands English would understand I didn't mean this logic should be applied in every scenario. Instead, I was suggesting that hunters should not bother "doing the honorable thing," i.e. let another hunter tame the pet you were waiting for.

If you sit around waiting for Broken Tooth and some other hunter runs up to tame it, you should do what you need to do to ensure you get the tame, his feelings be damned. If you come up and some other hunter is waiting there for the same spawn, there is no reason you should be nice and let him tame it first. "Steal" it from him. Tag the mob first. Taunt it off him with Distracting Shot.

Broken Tooth is a resource that many hunters will compete over, and you should treat him as such, the same way you'd treat a quest mob, quest item, etc. Take it for yourself. 

On 1/16/2017 at 9:54 AM, Fisher said:

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For one, they could just as easily do the same thing to someone else, or do it themselves in the first place to prevent aggro from being taken. ...

That's what a guild is for. If you think people actually care enough about a hunter "stealing" someone else's tame that the hunter would have trouble getting into a guild and/or finding a group, I think you grossly overestimate people's compassion for others. Try telling General that some hunter stole the pet from you. See how many people just laugh at you, and how many will actually attack you for daring to whine about it.

If anything, the fact the hunter knew how to use his class to secure the tame for himself means he's probably a better player than you are, and they want him instead of you. A jerk? Maybe. A better player? Most likely. At the very least, he has the good pet, and you don't.

... I'm not saying you have to go about being a jerk, ninjaing epics you can't even use or doing other stupid things like that, but if you want a pet, and you have a way to tame it instead of someone else, I really don't think any sensible person whom isn't an entitled child will care that you did what was necessary to get it.

WOW! What's that? The exact quote where I specifically mentioned ninjaing epics, and that I'm not saying you should do that? Whoo, that's a doozy. So when you say this:

2 hours ago, Perkalov said:

However, if you apply the behaviour you earlier suggested in raids/groups/guild, you will ninja everything, since it is beneficial to you and you do not care for the effects it might have to others.

You can kindly cram it where the Sun doesn't shine, because the behavior I suggested related exclusively to TAMING PETS, NOT NINJAING LOOT. 

[Perkalov 0]

On ‎2017‎-‎01‎-‎28 at 11:04 PM, Fisher said:

don't twist my words around like some conniving little snake. Everything I said was about taming rare pets and tagging quest mobs.

You can kindly cram it where the Sun doesn't shine, because the behavior I suggested related exclusively to TAMING PETS, NOT NINJAING LOOT. 

Not twisting your words, I am talking about the principle which your suggested behaviour stems from. Not where you applies it.

The behaviour you suggest is a principle that can be applied at any part of the game where two or more players want the same item. What you suggest is to actually "ninja loot" the rare spawn. You just don't like being called out for it.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Perkalov