Mage vs Warlock

[chiefpoko 0]

Hey guys,

I'm new to Elysium and it's been forever since I've played WoW. My main back in the day was an Elemental Shaman but I want to give either a Warlock or a Mage a try. I see my self mainly doing PVP just because I'm not sure I'll have the time for raiding. Anyway I wanted to get some insight on the pros and cons of both classes? Thanks guys!

[Fladrif 14]

The are only 2 factors that matter in the PvP-retarded-mode as most people play (meaning no team work and tryin' to be a God 1vs.1):

-how long you can fight (mage has many CCs);

-how much damage you can provide in the shortest time possible (mage kills fast);

Mage > Warlock

imo.

 

[Warl0ck 2]

15 minutes ago, Fladrif said:

The are only 2 factors that matter in the PvP-retarded-mode as most people play (meaning no team work and tryin' to be a God 1vs.1):

-how long you can fight (mage has many CCs);

-how much damage you can provide in the shortest time possible (mage kills fast);

Mage > Warlock

imo.

 

Warlock CC isn't bad -- Seduce, Fear, Coil.  Seduce can be used to chain nuke.  And lock CC doesn't heal the target to full.  I'd say both are pretty good.

[Fladrif 14]

You can't chain nuke with seduce :-D

The only viable is fear, but mage's ones are still better.

[Aethelwulf 12]

If you're playing Alliance, definitely Mage. Going up against Will of the Forsaken (when nearly half the Horde is undead) and Shaman Tremor Totems gimps your crowd control in ways that Mages don't have to worry about. If you're playing Horde it depends on what you're interested in. Mages are definitely more mobile and have better slows and more CC types whereas Warlocks depend on Fear and Seduce heavily (along with Curse of Exhaustion, if they're SM spec) to keep enemies at a distance. Mages are also more fragile whereas Warlocks are more durable, have several self-heals (drain life, healthstone, death coil, along with spec-specific Siphon Life and perhaps Demonic Sacrifice) and pets with PvP abilities (Succubus and Felhunter are your main options, unless you're alliance, in which case it's mainly just Felhunter), and pack more a lot more DoTs. In terms of damage both of them have very good burst potential.

Warlocks have better matchups against Priests and Mages (unless it's an alliance warlock against undead mages and priests, in which case your odds are looking worse). Mages have better matchups against Warriors and Rogues I think, since they can blink out of stuns, kite more effectively, and suffer much less damage pushback while casting. Orc Warlocks have a better time than normal against Rogues thanks to Hardiness though (at the cost of losing Will of the Forsaken). Given a Succubus, a Warlock also has a solid chance against Warriors (who cannot trinket out of warlock CCs, but can use Berserker Rage / Recklessness / Death Wish to stop Fear, whereas Seduce has no Warrior counter other than Will of the Forsaken).

Fladrif, Seduce lets you set up Trinket Soul Fire, which is basically the Warlock's Pyroblast, and if you want you can follow it with a Death Coil (into possibly a fear or just Searing Pain + Shadowburn) for extended CC + burst combinations or possibly Seduce multiple times in a row. Depending on DR (Fear and Seduce share diminishing returns), you can even bandage yourself for a nice heal before pyroblasting your opponent down and unlike polymorph, Seduce does not heal your enemies.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Aethelwulf

[Warl0ck 2]

On 3/1/2017 at 0:57 AM, Fladrif said:

You can't chain nuke with seduce :-D

Yes you can until you hit DR.

 

22 hours ago, Aethelwulf said:

... Mages are also more fragile whereas Warlocks are more durable...

Mages are fragile--yes and no.  They have Ice Barrier, Ice Block, Manashield.  And they are slippery with snaring nuke, blink, nova, sheep.