Is dps warrior valued in raids at the beginning?

[flowqz 34]

2 hours ago, Bagger said:

We'll find people with the same mindset as yours, surely the thing you wanna do is min/max everything, which is fine, but I'm not hardcore raiding anymore, I'm gonna have a smooth and loose approach to this. 

Even though the others do crap damage, it doesn't mean that they aren't doing progress. If you're on the same page with 40 others then there shouldn't be a problem to have 1 fucking retardin. 

However if you wanna go min/max way, yea sure then it may be retarded, and then it is lame, surely. 

Again this is a private server, so I think it is reasonable to test what you actually can do in the game.

and btw I rolled a warrior. And probably gonna do a retardin as an alt.

funny that being a retardin can get on your nerve 13 years after the game. Also funny that you mention that you don't want to debate and then proceeds, but there you go ^^

can you explain the reasoning to me, playing something like a ret paladin? dealing less dmg while putting in more effort doesnt seem very appealing to me.

 

is it some strange "they said it cant be done, im gonna prove them wrong" mentality?

[Bagger 0]

2 hours ago, flowqz said:

can you explain the reasoning to me, playing something like a ret paladin? dealing less dmg while putting in more effort doesnt seem very appealing to me.

 

is it some strange "they said it cant be done, im gonna prove them wrong" mentality?

The idea is that you can be a tier 2 damage dealer, meaning you are behind rogues and warriors. As you can see, some people freaks out just the thought of a retardin. But it can be done (at least in the beginning), because of skill, determination, time, etc. it's just a challenge overall, and it probably feel more satisfying than spamming frostballs. So that mentality is partially right, but also that it just can be the different style of gameplay (hence why some people would rather prefer to be melee rather than caster and vise versa. 

Sure if you wanna hardcore it, and go for top10 as the best raiding guild on the server, it is not optimal to take a gamble in a retardin, but if you're casual about, then there shouldn't be a problem of giving it a shot, and see if the person can deliver. Plus buff, area, off heal, off tank in certaint situations is not bad to have either. 

And I'm kinda curious to see, if a retardin can be competitive, within the guild, from mc to naxx, if you give them a fair shot at it.

The reason why I decided not to try it is, that it might be difficult to even get a shot at it, I've only seen like 2-3 guilds who is willingly trying it, but they only run like 1 max 2 so their spot is taken. However I'm gonna alt it, and maybe in the future, I can do an alt run and see if it works out, if not, I can just use it in pvp.

[flowqz 34]

57 minutes ago, Bagger said:

The idea is that you can be a tier 2 damage dealer, meaning you are behind rogues and warriors. As you can see, some people freaks out just the thought of a retardin. But it can be done (at least in the beginning), because of skill, determination, time, etc. it's just a challenge overall, and it probably feel more satisfying than spamming frostballs. So that mentality is partially right, but also that it just can be the different style of gameplay (hence why some people would rather prefer to be melee rather than caster and vise versa. 

Sure if you wanna hardcore it, and go for top10 as the best raiding guild on the server, it is not optimal to take a gamble in a retardin, but if you're casual about, then there shouldn't be a problem of giving it a shot, and see if the person can deliver. Plus buff, area, off heal, off tank in certaint situations is not bad to have either. 

And I'm kinda curious to see, if a retardin can be competitive, within the guild, from mc to naxx, if you give them a fair shot at it.

The reason why I decided not to try it is, that it might be difficult to even get a shot at it, I've only seen like 2-3 guilds who is willingly trying it, but they only run like 1 max 2 so their spot is taken. However I'm gonna alt it, and maybe in the future, I can do an alt run and see if it works out, if not, I can just use it in pvp.

so basicly its "i want to be something special". comparing a ret to a frostmage isnt fitting at all. id rather compare it to a warrior, while still should be way more fun (more abilitys).

 

"buff"

yea i get that. mb you can take 1less healpaladin than.

"off heal"

not possible in a raidenviroment

 "off tank"

you dont even have a taunt and offwarriors / druids are way better doing that.

 

as someone in this thread already said, yes you can be competetive from mc to naxx, if the other dmg dealers are basicly shit or put in way less effort than you do.

[Bagger 0]

1 hour ago, flowqz said:

so basicly its "i want to be something special". comparing a ret to a frostmage isnt fitting at all. id rather compare it to a warrior, while still should be way more fun (more abilitys).

 

"buff"

yea i get that. mb you can take 1less healpaladin than.

"off heal"

not possible in a raidenviroment

 "off tank"

you dont even have a taunt and offwarriors / druids are way better doing that.

 

as someone in this thread already said, yes you can be competetive from mc to naxx, if the other dmg dealers are basicly shit or put in way less effort than you do.

Then it shouldn't be a problem, if you're on the same page as the others, and you're in an environment where there is space for it, I honeslty don't see the problem. Is just a video game, so if one has more fun doing that thing, I honestly don't seeing that being "too special". 

And it doesn't have to effect you at all, you can just be in a different environment where you min/max everything. 

To some, the playstyle and class just simply appeal more to them, and that's just a matter of different taste.

And granted we live in a time where many wish to be a special snowflake, and personally it's to the extend where you fucking choke on it, but being a dps paladin in a vanilla private server, come on, there should be space for it somewhere out there. That shouldn't be hard to accept. 

Furthermore I think it's a vague statement to make "for being special", because you can imply that to everything really, in that context. "oh you wanna be rogue/warrior, so you can be top dps ... you're so special", "oh you wanna be main tank so you can get all the loot you want, that's so special" etc. difference is one thing is required the other is a niche. But that's not the point I'm trying to make. 

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[Esfand 0]

Bagger, play what you want to play and do it the best that you can!

Also anyone who thinks that Ret Paladins can't DPS feel free to watch my stream with Drakova, Wednesday and Thursday nights at 04:00 server time or 9 PM CST American time :)

 

YouTube.com/DrakovaEsfand

[Garun 9]

Ret paladins can do decent dps, though they won't top the meters in most situations. The biggest problem you will face is the bad stigma ret paladins have, but they are not bad like people say they are. I don't know this for sure since I mainly play horde.

[SpottedCow 2]

Here's where the special snowflake thing comes from.  What you're saying is "I know that Retribution Paladins are a gimped spec.  But I want to play one anyway.  And I think it's silly that I'm looked down on for expecting 39 other people to have their raid gimped, to spend more time clearing raids and wipe more, so that I can play out my fantasy."  You want to play Ret, play Ret.  If you find a guild that will take you to raids as Ret, congratulations.  Nobody here is going out of their way to keep you from raiding.  But you can't force them to let you raid with them, any more than they can force you to not play Ret.  And as offended as you're getting at them telling you not to play a failadin, that's how offended they are when you tell them that they should accept you wasting their time.  I play a prot warrior.  And I can throw on a set of dal'rends and some leather and dps.  But that doesn't mean that I'm expecting a guild to take me as a dps warrior with 38 points in the protection tree.  If I chose to do that and a guild chose to take me, that's on them, but it would be monumentally arrogant of me to expect them to do that as a matter of course.  Much like you're being monumentally arrogant, Bagger.

[Whitewolf 1]

On 5/3/2017 at 3:47 PM, SpottedCow said:

Here's where the special snowflake thing comes from.  What you're saying is "I know that Retribution Paladins are a gimped spec.  But I want to play one anyway.  And I think it's silly that I'm looked down on for expecting 39 other people to have their raid gimped, to spend more time clearing raids and wipe more, so that I can play out my fantasy."  You want to play Ret, play Ret.  If you find a guild that will take you to raids as Ret, congratulations.  Nobody here is going out of their way to keep you from raiding.  But you can't force them to let you raid with them, any more than they can force you to not play Ret.  And as offended as you're getting at them telling you not to play a failadin, that's how offended they are when you tell them that they should accept you wasting their time.  I play a prot warrior.  And I can throw on a set of dal'rends and some leather and dps.  But that doesn't mean that I'm expecting a guild to take me as a dps warrior with 38 points in the protection tree.  If I chose to do that and a guild chose to take me, that's on them, but it would be monumentally arrogant of me to expect them to do that as a matter of course.  Much like you're being monumentally arrogant, Bagger.

"ar·ro·gant

ˈerəɡənt/

adjective

having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

Bagger hasn't exaggerated anything or written any expectation of people accepting anything except those that don't care about it. 

This is a game, not a job nor enslavement. There are people who think differently than you. Not everyone thinks efficient is fun. You seem ignorant of the facts that there is more than one person who thinks that way and more than one way to play a game.

If you want to have a min/maxed raid, go right ahead, but there is no reason for you to impose your limitations on others when you can clear almost all content without them.