Update the pvp gear on Zeth/Ely with BWL patch

[QQsya 4]

In actual retail they weren't updated until Naxx.  But they kind of suck, most of them are barely on par with MC gear and will only get worse as time goes on until there's no point in ranking anymore unless you push all the way to the top.  On old Nost,  many "non-rankers" would queue just for a few weeks just to get 2 or 4 pieces of the set for the set bonuses and because of that Nost always had a very active PVP community. 

The updated blues also already exist on Anathema.

This is probably the one non-blizzlike change that Nost made to pvp that actually worked out for the better.

 

EDIT: It didn't occur to me at the time of writing this post, but later in this thread I was made to realize that having BWL equivalent gear on BWL launch would indeed be an unfair advantage in initial progression.  Instead, we should wait until a month or two after 1.6, or even until ZG release, and then update the gear.  I will edit this into the OP, but not into the title, in order to avoid breaking the URL and any old links to this thread.  Thank you for reading.

 

Edited June 14, 2017 by QQsya

[Masteridley 3]

Or you can go fuck off. If you want viable gear from casual pvp then go play on a TBC or WOTLK server. Blizzard stated back in the day they wanted to reward team work, which is why raid gear that requires the cooperation of 30+ people to obtain is far superior to the gear you can get by AFKing in BG's a couple hours a day. 

[QQsya 4]

Pressing '1' in MC for an hour a week more difficult than pvping 40-80 hours a week for 3-4 months?  Are you high or just retarded?

>Blizzard stated back in the day they wanted to reward team work,

which is why the current gear that requires playing with the same people for 8+ hours a day for months is complete trash.  KYS yourself out of my thread if you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

>requires the cooperation of 30+ people to obtain is far superior to the gear you can get by AFKing in BG's a couple hours a day. 

This is where you reveal that you know nothing about either raiding or pvp, and probably aren't even level 60 yet.  How's farming preraid BiS blues treating you?

 

Btw, the r14 weapons already get updated in the BWL patch.  Because Blizzard realized even then that the items people had spent months grinding for had become lackluster compared to the items from showing up to PvE faceroll for an hour a week.  TUB drops from the easiest boss in BWL and only misses about 11 topend compared to the current(pre-buff) r14 2handers.  It's only logical to apply it to the armor as well. 

[Storfan 24]

*cough*... reroll on Anathema.

*Clears throat* There we go.

[AciDTRiP 2]

2 hours ago, Storfan said:

*cough*... reroll on Anathema.

*Clears throat* There we go.

that server is worthless to roll on. simply too many people are already geared

Oh and twink pvp is dead on there

Edited May 26, 2017 by AciDTRiP

[QQsya 4]

Anathema is worthless to roll on indeed but not because of that.  It's just the server for nost fossils to raidlog on, in fact I already have a mage there that I transfered from nost.  The problem is not mine personally, but a big part of the reason brackets are shrinking and less people are pvping is because:

-the pvp gear sucks

-content is released at the pace of a snail with two broken legs

[Haestingas 30]

Oh look another person that's trying to change their servers timeline despite there being a post specifically saying Elysium and ZK were not getting buffed pvp loot early.

Enjoy being in your absolute crap gear for the next year +, you chose to switch to that server and now want everything changed?

P.S. Not our fault you chose the easiest pve class in the game to raid with, and I'm sure you are not worth anything in a raid to begin with.

[QQsya 4]

You seem needlessly upset.  What's the deal with 59 IQ shitters coming into my threads and immediately spewing vitriol everywhere?  I'm not insulting people who disagree with me, I'm insulting people who've insulted me first.  Is no one here capable of a calm and rational discussion?

>you chose to switch to that server and now want everything changed?

I switched because Anathema is a fossil and playing there is worthless.  Want *everything* changed, no, I just want the PvP gear changed to be the same way it's been on literally every private server since the beginning of time.  The weapons were already updated in the same patch because at that point Blizz realized that the gear people had spent months grinding for was being made obsolete by items that drop from fucking Razorgore and the 3 copypaste drakes.  But they didn't go far enough with it, the armor needs to be updated too. 

>P.S. Not our fault you chose the easiest pve class in the game to raid with

What?  I play priest.  I haven't played on Anathema since February.  Even if I still played my mage, literally what does that have to do with anything?  Pressing the right buttons in the right order has never been the main challenge of raiding.  Also I already have the updated PvP gear on my mage there. That's what I meant by "the problem is not mine personally".  If all I wanted was to have some nice PvP gear for myself I'd just go back and raidlog on Anathema.  I want to see PvP revitalized on Ely and Zeth.  That is the purpose of this suggestion. 

>and I'm sure you are not worth anything in a raid to begin with.

Nice projection.  I have no idea who you are in game, but let me guess.  Judging by your unwarranted self importance, baseless aggression, and poor reading comprehension, you play a male Orc fury warrior, right? 

[Caber 4]

Protip: If your immediate reaction to this suggestion is "fuck off I dont want pvp gear to be as good as pve gear" you should eat a dick take a step back and think about why you think so. Explain why you think so that it can be discussed, evaluated, and (this is probably why you dont do it), potentially proven wrong.

 

On 26.5.2017 at 6:54 PM, Haestingas said:

there being a post specifically saying Elysium and ZK were not getting buffed pvp loot early.

Source? All I remember there happening is the updated pvp sets being in since release by mistake. IS this what you're talking about?

 

 

[Sabre 5]

"Make PvP gear overpowered so premades can completely eradicate the battleground scene".

No.

[Caber 4]

5 minutes ago, Sabre said:

"Make PvP gear overpowered so premades can completely eradicate the battleground scene".

No.

By which logic will it only increase premades will to pvp, rather than... everyones?
What singles out premades like this?

[Sabre 5]

Just now, Caber said:

By which logic will it only increase premades will to pvp, rather than... everyones?
What singles out premades like this?

People like to do battlegrounds for fun which might shock you. Take a look at Kronos and you can see the dead bgs there because constant of premades wanting their overpowered gear.

[QQsya 4]

More like:

"Make PvP gear actually worth getting so that casual PvPers can queue and meet someone besides dedicated PvPers (ie, the people most likely to form premades and to not care that the current PvP gear is shit)"

The current mage chest/head doesn't even have spellpower.  0mp5 on the entire priest set.  It's just lol.

[QQsya 4]

BGs on Kronos are dead because Kronos itself is dead, lol.  Not an argument.  Take a look at old Nost which had a hugely vibrant PvP scene with plenty of casual rankers, because the gear was updated in 1.6. 

I'm sorry but if your entire PvP experience is queueing one BG a week and then crying on the forum about it for the rest of eternity when you lose, you are not the PvP community.  You are not the target of the "hey PvP community please give us your opinions" thread. You are an afterthought.   Deal with it.

[QQsya 4]

I agree, Blizzlike is best.  That's why we should remove the PvP honor system entirely until 1.4, remove AB until after AV release, and remove the battlemasters.  Everyone should queue from the portal in Ashenvale like they had to for most of live vanilla.  Oh, and don't forget to un-link the faction auction houses.  If you wanna see all the listings you can hop your happy ass on the zeppelin to make sure no one listed the item you're looking for from UC. That is blizzlike.

Also BWL is not "early PvE content". 

[Caber 4]

15 minutes ago, Sabre said:

People like to do battlegrounds for fun which might shock you. Take a look at Kronos and you can see the dead bgs there because constant of premades wanting their overpowered gear.

People also do battlegrounds for gear.

Give me your argumentation as to why making the gear adequate would only increase premading, rather than EVERYONE queueing.

 

7 minutes ago, Sabre said:

Wrong. Blizzlike is best.

This server isn't blizzlike. If it was, you couldn't play AB right now, and you wouldn't be able to queue from capital cities.

7 minutes ago, Sabre said:

We don't want overpowered gear in early pve content. Bugger off.

Patch 1.10.0: The Bonereaver's Edge's triggered effect has been changed. Instead of lowering your victim's armor, it will cause you to ignore a portion of your victim's armor. Its triggering rate was substantially increased as well as the magnitude of the effect. In addition, the item now has 16 stamina.

They decided to leave the weapon like that and make it function like it did it in 1.10. You're getting overpowered PvE gear in non-blizzlike progression.

Sources:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.10.0

https://www.engadget.com/2011/08/23/wow-archivist-patch-1-10-storms-of-azeroth/

Rank 14, suck my dick and choke on it

[Sabre 5]

Just now, QQsya said:

I agree, Blizzlike is best.  That's why we should remove the PvP honor system entirely until 1.4, remove AB until after AV release, and remove the battlemasters.  Everyone should queue from the portal in Ashenvale like they had to for most of live vanilla.  Oh, and don't forget to un-link the faction auction houses.  If you wanna see all the listings you can hop your happy ass on the zeppelin to make sure no one listed the item you're looking for from UC. That is blizzlike.

Your argument is wrong. That's false equivalency. Overpowered gear does not compare to queueing at a BG entrance.

You're obviously a premader. You are the 1% of WoW vanilla so we don't listen to you.

[Sabre 5]

2 minutes ago, Caber said:

People also do battlegrounds for gear.

Give me your argumentation as to why making the gear adequate would only increase premading, rather than EVERYONE queueing.

Premades stomp pugs. All the time.

 

What do pugs do? Stop queueing.

 

No thanks.

[QQsya 4]

How is it overpowered when it's literally on par with BWL gear and I'm suggesting to update it with the BWL release?  How is having the PvP honor system which should not even be in game until 1.4 not overpowered? 

[Caber 4]

1 minute ago, Sabre said:

Premades stomp pugs. All the time.

 

What do pugs do? Stop queueing.

 

No thanks.

So if you made any sense at all, why are there more than 0 pugs queueing right now?

[Sabre 5]

Just now, Caber said:

So if you made any sense at all, why are there more than 0 pugs queueing right now?

Due to PvP gear not being overpowered at the moment, there is less incentive for premades to form. This encourages pugs to play since they are less likely to face a premade.

 

2 minutes ago, QQsya said:

How is it overpowered when it's literally on par with BWL gear and I'm suggesting to update it with the BWL release?  How is having the PvP honor system which should not even be in game until 1.4 not overpowered? 

I would equate it to AQ gear. For the latter part of your post, Elysium would die without PvP. But Elysium will not die wihout having overpowered PvP gear.

[Caber 4]

1 minute ago, Sabre said:

Due to PvP gear not being overpowered at the moment, there is less incentive for premades to form. This encourages pugs to play since they are less likely to face a premade.

 

I would equate it to AQ gear. For the latter part of your post, Elysium would die without PvP. But Elysium will not die wihout having overpowered PvP gear.

Dawg it seems you skipped a post.

 

8 minutes ago, Caber said:

This server isn't blizzlike. If it was, you couldn't play AB right now, and you wouldn't be able to queue from capital cities.

Patch 1.10.0: The Bonereaver's Edge's triggered effect has been changed. Instead of lowering your victim's armor, it will cause you to ignore a portion of your victim's armor. Its triggering rate was substantially increased as well as the magnitude of the effect. In addition, the item now has 16 stamina.

They decided to leave the weapon like that and make it function like it did it in 1.10. You're getting overpowered PvE gear in non-blizzlike progression.

Sources:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.10.0

https://www.engadget.com/2011/08/23/wow-archivist-patch-1-10-storms-of-azeroth/

Rank 14, suck my dick and choke on it

You got nothing to say to this? We're already on non-blizzlike progression when ti comes to pvp stuff. We're already on non-blizzlike pve itemization. BRE is supposed to be a FRACTION of its power right now, IF IT WAS BLIZZLIKE.

 

WHY DOES THIS NOT BOTHER YOU? Because you think "well for a warrior raiding would be pretty pointless without BRE so I guess it's fine and beneficial to keep people playing and raiding"

but

that's the argument made here, except for pvp. You're just butthurt because you're no good at it or something, or can't dedicate yourself to it enough to rank.

[Sabre 5]

Just now, Caber said:

Dawg it seems you skipped a post.

 

You got nothing to say to this? We're already on non-blizzlike progression when ti comes to pvp stuff. We're already on non-blizzlike pve itemization. BRE is supposed to be a FRACTION of its power right now, IF IT WAS BLIZZLIKE.

 

WHY DOES THIS NOT BOTHER YOU?

Blade of Eternal Darkness also should have a proc but this is due to limitations of the team. These old proc spells are missing from the game files mostly.

[QQsya 4]

Elysium will die without PvP.  PvP will die without people actually having an incentive to queue.  Thanks for proving my point. 

 

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Due to PvP gear not being overpowered at the moment, there is less incentive for premades to form. This encourages pugs to play since they are less likely to face a premade.

 Lol?  Dedicated PvPers are still PvPing and forming premades right now.  They are basically the only ones doing so.  They are the ones who PvP for the fun of it and don't care that the gear is shit.  Pugging basically means fighting premades in 9/10 games right now, there are stretches of 12+ hours at a time on Zeth where literally the only alliance in the queue are the premade.  Horde pugs are guaranteed to fight a premade during those hours because the premade has the only people  who can be bothered queueing.

At any rate, anti-premade whining by S-key clicker warlocks is not what this thread is about. 

[Sabre 5]

1 minute ago, QQsya said:

Elysium will die without PvP.  PvP will die without people actually having an incentive to queue.  Thanks for proving my point. 

 

 Lol?  Dedicated PvPers are still PvPing and forming premades right now.  They are basically the only ones doing so.  They are the ones who PvP for the fun of it and don't care that the gear is shit.  Pugging basically means fighting premades in 9/10 games right now. 

We have reputation to gain and some blue gear PvP set bonuses to get to be BiS in PvE. Nothing overpowered.

I only face premades 10% of the time.