Censorship gone autistic

[Morathe 5]

Sorry you do not have permission to speak about your own server and if you do then you're only allowed to say what we want to hear. Guys this is lame as fuck. I'm outta here. 

[Shiamorah 20]

[killerduki 54]

In b4 Stodola called me wrong :)

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Morathe 5]

31 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

Haha thats actually funny:P If I had a dog I'm sure that would be his reaction. So much fucking time wasted on this shit hole board with nazi mods.  Although its sad that we had, sure, edgy, but polite conversation and its still enough to get deleted because subject discussed is not welcome. Thats one of the problems we have. Dialog is not harmful, your reaction to the dialog is. If you don't accept merits of the dialog you're free to argument against it. Its not like there are many potential newcomers that could be discouraged by it anyway lol... 

[Morathe 5]

Anyways topic got deleted after I suggested that Elysium + Anathema merge could look like that: 

Elysium timeline accelerated resulting in more activities for Elysium playerbase and merge soon after Ely get on same stage. Elysium would have to accept change of pace but with a merit of saving crumbling Anathema thus increasing its own chances to last a bit longer... even after taking a hit by accelerating its progress it could gain in longevity due to more pop from Anathema.

Elysium players might be against it because they planned their activity with current timeline in mind but I think its fair that Elysium take responsibility for Anathema also since Anathema play tests content before Elysium and thus actively benefit quality that Elysium gets/will get. 

P.S I'm taking screenshots of full topics from now on so go go delete topics I'll repost with screenshots. Autism awaken. 

 

[futurehendrix 2]

The delete was unnecessary because the discussion was civil and people were trying to find a solution. Nice job here! SMH

[Morathe 5]

18 minutes ago, futurehendrix said:

The delete was unnecessary because the discussion was civil and people were trying to find a solution. Nice job here! SMH

Its just the subject was inconvenient. And I agree its not a very convenient no matter how you look at it but if you don't wanna act upon it due to lack of manpower / lack of whatever... at least let people talk about it to remedy the pain. 

P.S putting matters under carpet doesn't make subject go away, it just makes people talk on other platforms and it still have an impact on the game so truly, stop with censorship as you only make things worse. I'm not the enemy. 

[Morathe 5]

Let me guess you are Elysium player that want to stay in its protective bubble without acknowledging you actually owe something to Anathema right? 

Thats fine, being a coward is not a sin although please just do me a favor and don't address me, its both insulting and embarrassing. 

[Haestingas 30]

I'm pretty upset they deleted that thread when we kept it civil (especially for this forum). Not even a lock, they just deleted my thread.

What are you so against Anathema discussing the issues with our server, WITHIN OUR OWN FORUM! What the fuck, the NA side of this server is in serious trouble and you are censoring our discussions?

I posted a pretty dope idea on how we could speed up Elysiums timeline AND STILL REMAIN BLIZZLIKE. Sadly the staff here isn't interested it seems, even though this idea is viable and is CLOSER to #blizzlike than the current timeline. I'll post it below because why the hell not.

 

In retail the patch's either came out faster or the world first clear took forever. Retail had 8 months between WoW release and BWL coming out for the US, for EU they had 7. Nost had 6.5 months. On retail Ragnaros took longer to kill after his availability than any other boss ever made in WoW. He wasn’t killed until 5.5 months after the release of the game. That means for the world first retail guild they had 2.5 months of Rag gear before BWL came out. On Nost it took 2 weeks for the no lifers, and by 2 months in a fair amount of guilds were killing Rag. So the average Nost raider had 4.5 months of Rag gear.

On retail the time between BWL release and the start of the war effort was a bit less than 6 months. On Nost/Anathema we had 9 months.

You then couple that with the fact that a ton of guilds killed nef in the first 3 weeks on Nost. The WORLD FIRST kill on Nef for retail took 2.5 months. So if you just compare the average raider on nost to the world first raiders on retail from a gear perspective, the average nost raiders had 8.25 months of nef gear, the world first guild had 3.5 months of nef gear.

So why is this even relevant to this thread? Because I'd like to suggest that there's a BLIZZLIKE solution to catching up Elysium to Anathema for a merge before Naxx. You just take the time between the world firsts of retail and the next patch on the retail timeline and apply that time to Elysium. People complain up and down how easy raiding is on Elysium vanilla compared to retail, and this is one of the main reasons its so damn easy. Because you have time to farm full BiS before the next content comes out, which in retail FOR THE WORLD FIRST GUILDS they didn't have half the time generally.

So applying this to Elysium, you would want to release BWL ASAP since it should have been out in early April to be Blizzlike. For BWL-AQ there should be 3.5 months between the first Elysium Nef kill and the start of the war effort. This solution gives a far more blizzlike experience to raiders on Elysium, and catches up Elysium to Anathema within ~6months. We then wait for a couple of weeks for Elysium to get some Cthun kills, and merge the servers for the eventual release of Naxx.

[BadnewsBetty 0]

Hi, just started playing on Elysium 2 weeks ago

Can someone do a tl;dr as to what happened to Athenema? The old Nostalrius characters were transfered here, right?

[BadnewsBetty 0]

And here's a suggestion; why don't you raidlog on your server and create a new main on Elysium? I understand it sucks if you have 100 days played, but that's I would do

[Morathe 5]

Because that would be 6th time I'd farm mc + bwl for months having aq and naxx stage in mind all the time and while I'd be ready to do that grind as an investment I'm not hopeful toward Elysium actually surviving that long, especially if they refuse to solidify community by merging all their servers together... maybe except pve server, I don't know I can't speak for pve centric people if its bigger deal for them to be pvp free or having bigger pop. 

Anyway as I said for me it would be 6th or 7th time I put months into different servers that ultimately failed before naxx or got to naxx in really dire state. This includes 3x grinding for r13 and 1x r14 blizzlike way... there is a time you just say "enough" and instead rerolling like everybody else you just start to fight for it. This is exactly where I'm at right now. Its either I do whatever I can to make it happen or I'm gone for good. 

If this gonna upset some people then I'm sorry but thats it. 

But all above is just my personal gain for the whole thing and outside of that I genuinely think that merging servers together, while being a logistical hassle would only help both servers in the long run. But window to act is short already as Anathema is below 1k pop often and its only getting lower. 

[Haestingas 30]

Once you have farmed MC + BWL for ~2.5 years you REALLY don't want to revisit that crap. I have geared up a warrior to full BWL BiS or better 2x now, a priest to full bwl bis, and a mage to full MC + ZG bis. No way on gods green earth am I going to do that again. That content after a while is boring as hell even if you are in a top guild that is done with MC in ~35mins, and BWL in ~50. I've cleared each of those instances 100+ times by now.

Instead I'd like to think of a way to preserve the server that BIRTHED this entire project, the server that without the scripting developed for Anathema/Nost, Elysium would still be a ~500 pop mediocre server with horrible scripting. You can speed up Elysium to #blizzlike patch releases, you can stop new character creation on Elysium, you can more heavily advertise Anathema and not just the Elysium Project as a whole.

Or you can do nothing, and watch the NA Anathema scene get decimated over the next ~month. Maybe EU will get hit hard as well, but I can't speak towards how they are being effected recently. Unfortunately 1.10 offers very little to revitalize the server, since all the content added gives ZERO extra content to established guilds and players. There's zero upgrades from the .5 gear for people in BWL or better gear, at best it's a way to gear your new alts if you are too lazy to join the BWL or AQ pugs. It's incredibly ironic that THE ENTIRE POINT OF 1.10 was to provide catch up gear to new players, too bad Anathema has none.

Meanwhile normal wow burnout is occurring to our player base, with essentially zero new blood to replace them. For the last ~2months, our entire recruitment pool is from other guilds that died. NA is down to ~6 guilds from 15, with Dank budz, Titans, Untold Story, Reign, Team Blackout, and Pantheon being the last guilds standing. Every single one is struggling to fill raids. So right now we essentially have to hope that another guild dies that isn't our own if we are to survive to see naxx.

You then add in the fact that a new and promising NA TBC server is launching in 2 weeks, and an already extremely fragile scene will get rekt. Learning from history on Kronos 1 we will be lucky if 3 guilds survive, AND THEY HAD A MERGE TO LOOK FORWARD TO!

 

[Shiamorah 20]

26 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Once you have farmed MC + BWL for ~2.5 years you REALLY don't want to revisit that crap. I have geared up a warrior to full BWL BiS or better 2x now, a priest to full bwl bis, and a mage to full MC + ZG bis. No way on gods green earth am I going to do that again. That content after a while is boring as hell even if you are in a top guild that is done with MC in ~35mins, and BWL in ~50. I've cleared each of those instances 100+ times by now.

Instead I'd like to think of a way to preserve the server that BIRTHED this entire project, the server that without the scripting developed for Anathema/Nost, Elysium would still be a ~500 pop mediocre server with horrible scripting. You can speed up Elysium to #blizzlike patch releases, you can stop new character creation on Elysium, you can more heavily advertise Anathema and not just the Elysium Project as a whole.

Or you can do nothing, and watch the NA Anathema scene get decimated over the next ~month. Maybe EU will get hit hard as well, but I can't speak towards how they are being effected recently. Unfortunately 1.10 offers very little to revitalize the server, since all the content added gives ZERO extra content to established guilds and players. There's zero upgrades from the .5 gear for people in BWL or better gear, at best it's a way to gear your new alts if you are too lazy to join the BWL or AQ pugs. It's incredibly ironic that THE ENTIRE POINT OF 1.10 was to provide catch up gear to new players, too bad Anathema has none.

Meanwhile normal wow burnout is occurring to our player base, with essentially zero new blood to replace them. For the last ~2months, our entire recruitment pool is from other guilds that died. NA is down to ~6 guilds from 15, with Dank budz, Titans, Untold Story, Reign, Team Blackout, and Pantheon being the last guilds standing. Every single one is struggling to fill raids. So right now we essentially have to hope that another guild dies that isn't our own if we are to survive to see naxx.

You then add in the fact that a new and promising NA TBC server is launching in 2 weeks, and an already extremely fragile scene will get rekt. Learning from history on Kronos 1 we will be lucky if 3 guilds survive, AND THEY HAD A MERGE TO LOOK FORWARD TO!

 

You are openly explaining here the exact reason why a majority of the population would be opposed to a merge. Anathema literally has a 2 year headstart on everyone else. If that wouldn't be considered an extreme advantage over the majority of the server, then I don't know what is. The extremely easy part of a merge has been discussed and proposed, but the obvious and most complicated issue here is very apparent. How do you alleviate such a significant upper hand?

[Morathe 5]

1 hour ago, Toradh said:

Actually my only characters are on Darrowshire, I just don't like you

So fuck yourself.

P;S being on Darrowshire makes you owe Anathema and Nost also ree

[BadnewsBetty 0]

1 hour ago, Morathe said:

Because that would be 6th time I'd farm mc + bwl for months having aq and naxx stage in mind all the time and while I'd be ready to do that grind as an investment I'm not hopeful toward Elysium actually surviving that long, especially if they refuse to solidify community by merging all their servers together... maybe except pve server, I don't know I can't speak for pve centric people if its bigger deal for them to be pvp free or having bigger pop. 

Anyway as I said for me it would be 6th or 7th time I put months into different servers that ultimately failed before naxx or got to naxx in really dire state. This includes 3x grinding for r13 and 1x r14 blizzlike way... there is a time you just say "enough" and instead rerolling like everybody else you just start to fight for it. This is exactly where I'm at right now. Its either I do whatever I can to make it happen or I'm gone for good. 

If this gonna upset some people then I'm sorry but thats it. 

But all above is just my personal gain for the whole thing and outside of that I genuinely think that merging servers together, while being a logistical hassle would only help both servers in the long run. But window to act is short already as Anathema is below 1k pop often and its only getting lower. 

Reroll on another server or take a break from the game. I understand it must really suck for you, but there isn't any simple fix around this. 

[Haestingas 30]

28 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

You are openly explaining here the exact reason why a majority of the population would be opposed to a merge. Anathema literally has a 2 year headstart on everyone else. If that wouldn't be considered an extreme advantage over the majority of the server, then I don't know what is. The extremely easy part of a merge has been discussed and proposed, but the obvious and most complicated issue here is very apparent. How do you alleviate such a significant upper hand?

Morathe you are not helping whatsoever, there's much better ways to approach this and I'd appreciate it if you stopped acting childish and derailing this thread with insults.

 

Why would Elysium guilds care about how fast Anathema guilds cleared Naxx? You are right, we are ahead in gear, so why on earth would you care about how fast we cleared Naxx compared to you? Everyone with a brain would look at the Naxx progression from the perspective of Anathema guilds and Elysium guilds separately.

But lets assume you do care. Lets look at Kronos since they dealt with this EXACT SAME SITUATION with a merge. I'll give you context, the guilds that are from K1 that had the gear advantage are Synced, Onslaught, Vanguard, Risen, Unite and Vanquished, and Friends.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/InstanceList.aspx?realm=KRO

Notice how there's a couple of K2 guilds that are beating or neck and neck with the K1 guilds? The best Alliance AND horde MC clear are k2 guilds, the 2nd best BWL clear for both factions are k2 guilds, the only instance that K1 guilds have an advantage is in AQ40 and that's because they have more experience in that instance due to more time.

The only reason Anathema wants a merge is to have access to new players for recruitment so we can have a healthy player base for naxx.

 

[Shiamorah 20]

9 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Morathe you are not helping whatsoever, there's much better ways to approach this and I'd appreciate it if you stopped acting childish and derailing this thread with insults.

 

Why would Elysium guilds care about how fast Anathema guilds cleared Naxx? You are right, we are ahead in gear, so why on earth would you care about how fast we cleared Naxx compared to you? Everyone with a brain would look at the Naxx progression from the perspective of Anathema guilds and Elysium guilds separately.

But lets assume you do care. Lets look at Kronos since they dealt with this EXACT SAME SITUATION with a merge. I'll give you context, the guilds that are from K1 that had the gear advantage are Synced, Onslaught, Vanguard, Risen, Unite and Vanquished, and Friends.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/InstanceList.aspx?realm=KRO

Notice how there's a couple of K2 guilds that are beating or neck and neck with the K1 guilds? The best Alliance AND horde MC clear are k2 guilds, the 2nd best BWL clear for both factions are k2 guilds, the only instance that K1 guilds have an advantage is in AQ40 and that's because they have more experience in that instance due to more time.

The only reason Anathema wants a merge is to have access to new players for recruitment so we can have a healthy player base for naxx.

 

I am not referring to server first or anything, that really is a moot issue when it comes to merging servers. What I meant is "ahead on gear" is an understatement. Anathema has had BWL for over a year and a half, and Elysium is just barely getting it now. Anathema is also ahead on AQ and will be ahead on Naxx. Players on Anathema are so further progressed than players on Elysium that it will just be straight up unfair for Elysium players. 

I see absolutely no way short of wiping Anathema of their gear that a merge will be plausible. So far, all you have basically said is that Elysium will just have to suck it up, which is not logical rationale for implementing a merge.

 

If we had to merge and there was no choice in the matter, the only way I could see it being plausible is reverting Anathema to Elysiums patch and removing all gear acquired from those patches. Otherwise, there will always be an extreme advantage. And of course, your personal bias will argue saying that Elysium players should just suck it up.

[BadnewsBetty 0]

10 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Morathe you are not helping whatsoever, there's much better ways to approach this and I'd appreciate it if you stopped acting childish and derailing this thread with insults.

 

Why would Elysium guilds care about how fast Anathema guilds cleared Naxx? You are right, we are ahead in gear, so why on earth would you care about how fast we cleared Naxx compared to you? Everyone with a brain would look at the Naxx progression from the perspective of Anathema guilds and Elysium guilds separately.

But lets assume you do care. Lets look at Kronos since they dealt with this EXACT SAME SITUATION with a merge. I'll give you context, the guilds that are from K1 that had the gear advantage are Synced, Onslaught, Vanguard, Risen, Unite and Vanquished, and Friends.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/InstanceList.aspx?realm=KRO

Notice how there's a couple of K2 guilds that are beating or neck and neck with the K1 guilds? The best Alliance AND horde MC clear are k2 guilds, the 2nd best BWL clear for both factions are k2 guilds, the only instance that K1 guilds have an advantage is in AQ40 and that's because they have more experience in that instance due to more time.

The only reason Anathema wants a merge is to have access to new players for recruitment so we can have a healthy player base for naxx.

 

Right, but when the merge happened, K2 had been in BWL for like 6 months and I believe they also had AQ, while K1 still didnt have Naxx. 

 

[Morathe 5]

22 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Morathe you are not helping whatsoever, there's much better ways to approach this and I'd appreciate it if you stopped acting childish and derailing this thread with insults.

 

 

Sorry its just that fag that follows me around on forums just to shit post whatever I say.

[Haestingas 30]

16 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

I am not referring to server first or anything, that really is a moot issue when it comes to merging servers. What I meant is "ahead on gear" is an understatement. Anathema has had BWL for over a year and a half, and Elysium is just barely getting it now. Anathema is also ahead on AQ and will be ahead on Naxx. Players on Anathema are so further progressed than players on Elysium that it will just be straight up unfair for Elysium players. 

I see absolutely no way short of wiping Anathema of their gear that a merge will be plausible. So far, all you have basically said is that Elysium will just have to suck it up, which is not logical rationale for implementing a merge.

 

If we had to merge and there was no choice in the matter, the only way I could see it being plausible is reverting Anathema to Elysiums patch and removing all gear acquired from those patches. Otherwise, there will always be an extreme advantage. And of course, your personal bias will argue saying that Elysium players should just suck it up.

So if you don't care about the server first, then why do you care about Anathema being ahead of gear? What makes it unfair if you don't care about the server firsts and such? You need to expand upon this because you just say unfair and don't say what is unfair.

[Haestingas 30]

7 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

Right, but when the merge happened, K2 had been in BWL for like 6 months and I believe they also had AQ, while K1 still didnt have Naxx. 

 

If you read my post on how the Elysium timeline would work, you would see that Elysium would have 6months of BWL gear. We wouldn't even launch naxx until ~2months after the merge, and the merge wouldn't happen until ~1month after the first Elysium Cthun kill.

[Shiamorah 20]

8 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

So if you don't care about the server first, then why do you care about Anathema being ahead of gear? What makes it unfair if you don't care about the server firsts and such? You need to expand upon this because you just say unfair and don't say what is unfair.

This should be very obvious, shouldn't it? 

1.) PvP - server merges and all of the sudden Anathema players completely annihilate Elysium players. Not to mention brackets are ruined, even players with PvE gear would stomp on the Elysium players with PvP gear 

2.) PvE - server merges and we get a "glorified queue" that devalues all Elysium players when it comes to gear. Everyone would prefer to have an Anathema geared player over an Elysium geared player. Elysium players won't even be on par with Anathema players. You said it yourself, you've done over 100 BWL raids, while the average player on Elysium has done... About 100 times less.

3.) Economy - server merges and we will see insane effects on the economy. You are talking about a game that's only gold sink is buying a mount. And merging a server that has had an ongoing economy for more than 4 times the amount of Elysium. 

In almost every aspect of the game, a merge with Anathema and Elysium will put Anathema players at an extreme advantage over Elysium players. If you don't propose anything besides Elysium players sucking it up, I guarantee you that your ambitions will never come to fruition.

[Morathe 5]

But Elysium is a slave server that exist only out of post-Nost hype. Anathema = post Nost. So you owe us fealty :P suck it up and stop crying already. 

I'm obviously joking at this point but imagine how nice it would be:P don't use word fairness regarding server that actually IS an offspring of something bigger that came before it. Its only fair it pays the price right now. How fair it is that Elysium will get War Effort that isn't complete fiasco because Anathema play tested how bad decison played out? A War Effort that cost Anathema a fair bit of players to begin with.

Elysium will be free of those issues because Anathema made the dirty work and paid the price for hiccups. 

[Stodola 26]

It was always possible the thread would be locked or deleted, given https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/49560-addressing-rumors-regarding-possible-anathema-elysium-merge/?do=findComment&comment=412093

It's nothing to do with the way the conversation was held, and you can bet this thread will probably be deleted too.