Fix PvP on Elysium or it will die guaranteed

[Sanders 3]

Two problems at the moment:

 

- Lack of Horde

- Lack of RP given to certain standings

 

After every honor reset more and more people either quit the server or stop to rank. Since Elysium or the unofficial name "Emptysium" lacks population, especially on horde side, this hurts the PvP-scene.

 

You cannot have a pure-blizzlike system with NO PLAYERS. It does not work.

 

How to fix this?

 

- Get 2k more active people playing this server (unlikely)

- Faction-change (To help the queues and the dead horde)

- Custom brackets for rewarding more RP

 

At the moment it is EXTREMELY hard to even rank above 9 since more or less only one person is in bracket 1 and so on.

 

 

Come up with a fix, doesnt need to be blizzlike or suffer the consequences.

 

Peace

[Hoof 4]

Something has to be done i agree.

[Kadir 136]

Let's get info from administration about the quantity of ppl in honor standing first, then we could know if we can deal with it alone by organising pvp raid fighting /low lvl bgs / events etc or require adjustments in the system. So we need to know the real number for both factions every week.

[levran 146]

Long time at Valkyrie we had command .bg (ws,ab,av) for remote battleground registration, this was good mitigation low population problems for standing and lack low level battlegrounds.

 

Here only standing you need, but how about newbies who wanna play on low level batlegrounds, wanna do battleground quests or get items? They out of Elysium now.

 

Kadir, I hate the artificial standing extension.

Edited October 26, 2016 by levran

[Sanders 3]

Long time at Valkyrie we had command .bg (ws,ab,av) for remote battleground registration, this was good mitigation low population problems for standing and lack low level battlegrounds.

 

Here only standing you need, but how about newbies who wanna play on low level batlegrounds, wanna do battleground quests or get items? They out of Elysium now.

 

Kadir, I hate the artificial standing extension.

 

This does not solve anything. You actually think the pvpers at 60 are not queuing because they cant be bothered going into a major city? 

And even if we get a few more people in queue, the RP rewards for current standings is pure dogshit due to the population.

[Motorbreath 923]

Better dead than whine like that.

[Sanders 3]

Better dead than whine like that.

Ok.

[levran 146]

This does not solve anything. You actually think the pvpers at 60 are not queuing because they cant be bothered going into a major city? 

And even if we get a few more people in queue, the RP rewards for current standings is pure dogshit due to the population.

On Valkyrie it worked with lower population. Yes, more people at lvl 60 will queuing more frequently and faster, and much many at low levels. When more ppl in standing , then more RP you will get.  But ofcourse, before all, we need to know how many people we need in standing to get at least one r14, and how many we really have.

[Xudojnik 904]

You don't really need to know exact amount of players on the battlegrounds to organize low lvl pvp.

[levran 146]

I don`t really need low lvl pvp or better standing now and especially don`t need someone to organize, especially the opposite faction for war.

 Just little more life in Elysium.

[Dma5122 214]

First, epic PvP sets are too OP on the current status of opened content. So, consequently, increasing number of high ranked players will make an imbalance. Second, you must deserve high rank, even if that EXTREMELY hard. Third, on Valk (with same rank system) we had MUCH less population, but that was not a problem for PvPers (proof: https://elysium-project.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22054). Howewer, i believe "Blizzlike" Alliance->Horde transfer would be a good idea.

[Sanders 3]

You do realize that only one person is granted into bracket 1 right? One person...

[killerduki 54]

You do realize that only one person is granted into bracket 1 right? One person...

That makes it more challenging and tasty .

[Kadir 136]

 

 

You don't really need to know exact amount of players on the battlegrounds to organize low lvl pvp.

 

We don't have armory to check it right now. It's always better to operate with real numbers and not act blindfolded, or we'll just get disappointed.

 

 

 

Kadir, I hate the artificial standing extension

 

I don't like it either, but if administration will neglect improving the pvp side of the server completly, we will have no choice but to take the matter into our hands. By improving I mean making it popular enough to not need any adjustments. There's one big difference between Valkyrie and Elysium, here on Ely pvp system is formed according to opinion of ppl who do not pvp at all and suggestions of pvpers are constantly ignored.

 

Example: https://report.valkyrie-wow.org/issue/154

 

Also on Valkyrie we used to have temporary adjustments which were turned off when population increased, turned on when decreased, and so on.

 

Some GM's had the idea of making pvp event, which was right path to take, but it seems that others sabotaged it. Too bad they couldn't agree even on such irrelevant thing like an event. They're probably debating in closed part of the forum how to deal with another pvp topic Answer is not very complex. Pvpers need 4 things: short queues, wide standing, working spells and good company on bg. We don't care about the methods used by the administration to achieve first 2 of those, don't be afraid to change methods if those which you picked are currently not working.

 

P.S. Inb4 Motorbreath will accuse me of whining. So I'll end with positive accent. Valkyrie was famous for its scripting for years (thanks Sid) and I know that we can expect even better scripts on Elysium with time. Also gm support in game works better then before and the main site design is much better. Ok, no more licking ;d

Edited October 26, 2016 by Kadir

[Av_vA 3044]

Ppl got r14 on Valk even at lower population, so problem isn't in pvp system

[levran 146]

Ppl got r14 on Valk even at lower population, so problem isn't in pvp system

Most of the time on Valkyrie we had .bg command for remote queuing, low level battlegrounds and world bosses.

[Av_vA 3044]

Most time but not always - there was a time when .bg was disabled(bad times for pvp actually) but ppl still made progress.

Can't check armory, seems like standing 300+ that is enough for 1 r4 every week or even better if cap reduced like on Valk

[earth 3]

Whole day without wsg on a new server,hmm? dead sry

[Motorbreath 923]

Also on Valkyrie we used to have temporary adjustments which were turned off when population increased, turned on when decreased, and so on.

 

One of this "temporary adjustments" managed to abuse our hospitality and stayed for many years though.

I remember the time after player database merger with another classic emu we've had around 400 ppl playing for some months. And our guest was still there - every attempt to get rid of it was met with the very same "it will kill pvp, it will kill the server, we'll all leave if you do that".

People got relaxed and now painfully getting used to fairly doing everything themselves.

Levran here still wants it back. I, in the other hand, didn't use it even back then, so no problem for me really.

 

Inb4 Motorbreath will accuse me of whining.

 

A hint: I will keep accusing you until you

 

take the matter into [y]our hands.

 

 

We don't have armory to check it right now. It's always better to operate with real numbers and not act blindfolded, or we'll just get disappointed.

 

Hahahah! Hello, armory! Long time no see.

Hello standing monitor offline without a need to even log in - let along actually inspecting people's honor so they would not outfarm you.

Now that's the guest that won't abuse our hospitality!

That will make PvPers ACTIVE! Make HARD TO GET ranks BLIZZLIKE HARDCORE again!

[Sanders 3]

Alright boys i tried, seems the problem isnt only with the developers but with the Valkyrie-playerbase that jumped over to Elysium.

"People got rank 14 on Valkyrie with even less pop" is the most retarded thing i have read. It has nothing to do with the reason why this thread was created.

 

Have fun in queue and peace!

[levran 146]

That will make PvPers ACTIVE! Make HARD TO GET ranks BLIZZLIKE HARDCORE again!

 What? Hard to get? Maybe you wanted to say - BLIZZLIKE IMPOSSIBLE?...  Impossible to done PvP quests, impossible to get PvP items at low level, impossible to get rank 14. But why "again" and why BLIZZLIKE? 

Armory need to see is it possible to rank 14 or not. You know about these issues at retail vanilla? In 1.12, with crossrealm battlegrounds?

Edited October 27, 2016 by levran

[Motorbreath 923]

Do you really need me to spell it out for you... what - third or fourth time now?

Even the post you're quoting has a HINT. Try reading for a change.

[killerduki 54]

I'd rather suggest server start Banning those who says "Dead", since it is already "Dead" we don't need someone to preach us how server is progressing .

 

All we see is Toxic by CF Agents spilling negative moral against Elysium , meanwhile Kronoss is even worse than Elysium but nobody doing that there like they do here.

 

See Discord,Reddit,Forums,In Game .... Full with Toxic "Dead dead" .

 

I think it is time to ban and release from those, will make server twice better than currently is.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited October 27, 2016 by killerduki

[levran 146]

 

Do you really need me to spell it out for you... what - third or fourth time now?

Even the post you're quoting has a HINT. Try reading for a change.

Ok, then try understand more sarcasm, your hint is broken, reality have more sarcasm here 

Edited October 27, 2016 by levran

[Kadir 136]

 

 

Ppl got r14 on Valk even at lower population, so problem isn't in pvp system

 

System is different already.

 

 

 

All we see is Toxic by CF Agents spilling negative moral against Elysium 

 

Everyone who posted in this topic was present on Valkyrie since 2010-2012 except the topic starter, when there was no Nostalrius or Kronos or Crestfall. I know them all in game, all who posted here are either ppl who made r12 - r14  HERE or were very successful in endgame pve content. (Including Earth who's trolling everyone always, because Nost opened in the moment when he was progressing through ranks here, so standing was ruined.) But discord is a jungle right now, that's true.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Kadir