Announcement #2 — Realm Names, Launch Order, Stress Testing, and the Future

[Elusive 1]

Tbh I understand that people want their characters back, but let's be realistic.. Nost PvP might die out after a few months when the fresh pvp server arrives as all new players will join the fresh one, not to mention people who don't care about their characters and want a fresh start either way.

 

I think it's for the greater good of the community if we start with 2 fresh PvP servers, launching at the same time. The PvE server should be added shortly after.

That way we will be on the pace, we'll all have started at the same time, that way even server transfers might be possible.

 

I hope the team changes their opinion and listens to the community, especially when the majority of people want a fresh start.

[Holystrike 2]

I  like the idea of old pvp first and fresh start ~1 month later

but i think it would be wiser to open up the pve realm around the same time of old pvp or inbetween old and  fresh

i'm not a pve player and most certanly wont play there but i think it would be healthier for the pve community if the server dind't start so late

 

 

mmm it could be something like:

Original PvP Server ~ Release

Original PvE Server ~ 2 Weeks Later

New Player Server ~ 4 Weeks Later

Edited November 13, 2016 by Holystrike

[Summer 26]

Ye, PvE has to be 2nd realm. Don't forget, the PvE realm had 4k peak as well before the shutdown. Both strong horde guilds from Elysium came from the PvE-Realm. Some people here write as only 500 people played the PvE realm.

[nametakenwtf 3]

 

The team should consider opening up the PvE server second.

 

• The hardware is already there (the current Elysium server, and used for the stresstest with the Nost. core so it is already halfway prepared).
• The population is small enough that it will really lose a big opportunity by being launched after the fresh start-server.
• It just had a new content patch (AV) so you can just push it live as-is and then not look back for a few weeks.

 

exactly

[Shibaki 30]

I'm going to PvE, has old char* but going to start a new one (other faction - like something new) and there is no need in fresh realm, cause we haven't problems like pvpworld

 

I w8 for PvE realm on Valkyrie too long, i don't even need nostcore lol, this server was better (my opinion)

"Member Since 10 Aug 2010"

 

and soon i can say: they wait is OVER

[Keala 28]

Tbh I understand that people want their characters back, but let's be realistic.. Nost PvP might die out after a few months when the fresh pvp server arrives as all new players will join the fresh one, not to mention people who don't care about their characters and want a fresh start either way.

 

I think it's for the greater good of the community if we start with 2 fresh PvP servers, launching at the same time. The PvE server should be added shortly after.

That way we will be on the pace, we'll all have started at the same time, that way even server transfers might be possible.

 

I hope the team changes their opinion and listens to the community, especially when the majority of people want a fresh start.

 

Honestly, I think I wouldn't even try those realms if they were fresh ones. I would just feel disappointed and play another game.

But hey, that's just what I would do. What really bothers me is that most people keep asking the team to not give our old characters back, because they think it's for the greater good (and keep in mind, you're still getting a fresh one, I seriously can't see why would you deny the people who want to go back).

[Kolinahr 0]

Shenna, could we have a clarification of the release time of the PvE realm? There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding, here, and on Reddit.

[rickadmiraal 1]

Im so hyped ! and i am happy to wait 3 or 4 more weeks for a more bug free pvp server that is fresh and stress tested and ready for all of us that want a fresh start ^^

[rohirrim 2]

What about pve? You know pve had 5k online too right?

[Trinity 1]

What about pve? You know pve had 5k online too right?

 

One time, at its very peak, when AV was released, yes. Average player count was around 3000.

[honeybunny 0]

Great news guys, really looking forward to stress testing later this month!

[scypheroth 0]

Watch and learn...this is a bad move to divide the community and damage the Nos name as a whole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Doqi_az4t4

[scypheroth 0]

The OFFICIAL Scypheroth verdict: Old PvP server launches everyone hops back on! Old players go on GANK FEST of all the new players causing them to quit the server and leave. Fresh PvP servers launch and 80% of the population from old PvP server jump over and make new chars along with ALOT of new players causing VERY bad lag and overarming of quest mobs.(anyone remember hogger on Nos? waiting upwards of 1hr to kill him?) Old PvP server becomes a ghost town with a few dedicated players who refuse to abandon there chars. Fresh PvE server launches and no one but the hardcore PvE players go and ppl who got a bad gankfest done to them on the Fresh PvP server...roughly 25%. This is not a good move on there part at all! I for one do not want my old char back as i know what will happen to the server. The economy i going to IMPLODE and there will be nothing but entitled pricks ganking low lvls and new players. What they need to do is just have 2 servers...2 FRESH start PvP and PvE servers...bringing back the old chars will only cause problems for the server they are on plain n simple...there is NO good outcome to bringing the old chars over.

Edited November 13, 2016 by scypheroth

[Holystrike 2]

Scypheroth is the exact type of "troll" who didnt even play on nostalrius and is attempting to spread hysteria and misinformation while proving he knows absolutely nothing and hasnt even taken the time to do any research before trolling,

 

As many people have pointed out already nostalrius was a great place to level and at no point, did anyone who actually played there feel left behind due to gear or gold because the established community made it easier and the gameplay more accessible to anyone who joined

a quick realmplayer's search of Scypheroth reveals:

 

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Scypheroth

 

Scypheroth Level 9

First Seen: 29-12-2015

Last Seen: 29-12-2015

 

What can we take from this? not only did he not even play on the server, he played for a day during its most popular period; didnt even make it out of the starting zone... and then never logged in again

 

meaning he didnt even see a horde player during the one day he played on nostalrius... Just lol...

 

I advise anyone to actually either read comments from people who actually played, or look at the countless first hand sources of video footage and nostalrius forum posts before making any conclusions, and especially before reading posts like the ones previously mentioned.

 

Think about the good of the community, and the balance of population; ask any nostalrius player, scratch that go and look directly at the nostalrius forums, and you will see that the number one complaint which anyone on the server had was that the pvp server was over crowded.

 

In fact I remember one announcement and there was like a 40 page hype train surrounding the possibility of a second realm being released which would relieve the overpopulation the realm faced, and the disappointment when i didnt happen.

 

The decision made by the admins is not only calculated and carefully considered; it is the literal best possible move for the server to preemptively account for these issues which we may eventually face. through an equally dispersed community we will have a better quality of gameplay on every server, and the best and most effective way to achieve this is through a staggered release of the realms for Elysium.

 

Pros (of staggering the release):

Through releasing the pvp server first it will mean that new players who have been deterred from joining the original realm due to the rumours and misinformation spread by people who didnt play on it; or are trolling, will be able to see that in reality it isn't a bad environment to play on at all and through playing with members and guilds who have already geared up, with content on farm and an established economy they themselves will be able gear up faster and get money faster while having access to content on the pvp server faster and a year ahead of the fresh server.

Cons (of not staggering the release):

People who are new to the server assume rumours and speculation are true and as a result dont even try to play on it leading to an infulx of players on one server and a defecate on the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_effect

 

 

The decision being made in regards to realm release is about population dispersement, ideally the best server will be one where we have a 50-50 split over both realms and through a staggered release, it means that new players wont all immediately jump on the fresh server and we will hopefully achieve this balance, through staggering the release we will hopefully achieve two servers with a 50-50 population split which will last many years which could potentially have cross-realm battlegrounds as opposed to one sever snowballing the other imploding and one realm eating the other

Edited November 13, 2016 by Holystrike

[Syff 23]

detective Holystrike

[illitari 1]

I'm new to the server but after reading everything in this thread I think delaying the fresh server is definitely best for the community and it makes sense to restore peoples characters since they are the community we are joining

[xXDzepniXx 0]

You may all call me a speculator, a player spreading misinformation, whatever, this is my opinion.

First off I believe that the Nostalrius characters should be deleted, I will state why later. The sheer amount of people who bashed Nostalrius team for not being SURE whether they will get their old characters back or not was not only unnecessary but inappropriate. I will get the quick fact out now, Nostalrius players have already experienced losing their characters 100%, hear me out, the reason I say is because when the shutdown was announced people did a whole bunch of stuff (jump off buildings, give all their gold and gear, etc) and I have pictures of it on my phone, I personally was amazed at what I saw. Any who Nostalrius players have already gulped down most if not all of the sour taste of losing their characters, because when the announcement happened they all believed their characters will be gone forever. People got over it, many rolled on different servers like Kronos for example in fact Kronos was flooded with Nostalrius players after the shutdown. If the characters are deleted and there is no worry of an old PvP server and fresh one, instead there could be fresh PvP and PvE and old server for the Elysium characters with their progression, would this not be a better outcome? Ultimately Nostalrius players have mostly gotten over losing their characters, and if they lose them now they will be only pissed because they were announced at one point they WILL (unfortunately) get it back, this promise is the only thing keeping them happy. I wish the Nostalrius team was more prudent and DID NOT promise getting their characters back, perhaps not directly but never simply implied it or said anything. I think the character deletion is the best way because then the PvP fresh realm and PvE can be released on the same day (I feel it can be, I do not see why it can't be), and it would be better for the Nostalrius community.

Now to justify further my reasoning, Nostalrius players who want their characters back ultimately believe things will be just the way they were but this will not be the case. I believe that once the server starts with players getting their old characters back there will be a sort of confusion, the reason I believe this is because players will not simply know where to go but they will have to find their way back (if there is a way back). With this confusion there will be a lot of differences and ultimately it might of been better to just delete the characters and start fresh, meet new people and create guilds without having to get everyone back together which will be quite difficult. Again, I do not believe things will be simply the way they were but instead it will be very confusing, and this could also result in players just giving up and going around the world camping players who just started out because there is again that confusion and no sense of direction. Although this is indeed speculation it still should be taken into account, the simple idea that things will not be the same is ultimately true and must be put on the table.

 

Realistically speaking things will not be fun, there will be people trying to start out (especially if no fresh realm or PvE server comes at the same time as PvP old realm) and it will be tough for them and it will certainly not be fun, progression will be quite a pain because there will be a lot of raids to go through and that progression would of been better of starting fresh because people will be expected to be geared already for those raids. Getting to 60 will be a tough road to trek but furthermore the road to gearing when at 60 is probably harder, another reason why I believe a fresh realm is needed. Players are already unhappy to hear that the fresh realm and PvE realm is delayed and ultimately a big portion of those people may roll in the old server simply because of the wait. Although taking into account that a lot of the same people who say the same thing will probably just wait, but the truth is the realm will still be less populated than the old characters PvP realm. There is no denying that.

 

What is the best for the community? If you ask me, delete the Nostalrius characters, three realms Fresh PvP and PvE and old Elysium characters with their progression as the third realm. Simple and will cause no imbalance with Nostalrius community, fresh realm is the more insisted method and thus is more voted than old PvP realm. Nostalrius players who lose their characters will NOT be as sour as Elysium players who lose their characters (simply because of the long period of time without their characters whereas Elysium players would not have a long time without their characters and are guaranteed they will be with their players again). What's the big issue with deleting Nostalrius characters?

 

Please take into account this is my own opinion and my own examination, I am JUST an ignorant person trying to find the truth.

Edited November 13, 2016 by xXDzepniXx

[Pottu 290]

Yeah that is absolutely not going to happen in this universe or any other. Please don't paint imaginary demons on the walls. Nostalrius had a massive population. If even half of them come back, there will be more than enough players for 3 realms.

[Inchulk 1]

<3 Keep on doing your thing. Nothing but love from my way <3

[xXDzepniXx 0]

Considering you can simply say that it won't happen this way I assume you are wiser and know what you are doing. That or are just purely arrogant.

[Pottu 290]

I meant the character wipe - that is not going happen, no matter what.

The ultimate fate of each realm is something we cannot know.

[rhwuaiupwgr 0]

I meant the character wipe - that is not going happen, no matter what.

The ultimate fate of each realm is something we cannot know.

 

Exactly that would be a terrible idea. The current way they are doing it is still the best the fact that old pvp is launching first isnt going to stop the fresh starters and the pve realm players will get tired of being ganked and flock over there. Its not going to be dead especially if the old nost population comes back (And maybe even more).

 

Ill be getting my old nos mage from 52-60 and maybe get pre raid bis and then re-roll a rogue on the freshstart realm.

 

Thank you guys for all the hard work you've been doing no one ever expected this and you should be glad whatever their decision.

[xXDzepniXx 0]

I never said I am not grateful for what they do. They are doing a ton of stuff where only a few would do and considering how people reacted after the announcement of moving into Elysium they are doing more than was even expected out of their good will. Absolutely I agree we should be thankful no matter the decision but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't disagree with some of their actions and decisions.

Edited November 13, 2016 by xXDzepniXx

[XreaperDK 6]

I had not noticed there was a new thread so I had to catch up on this. I have a few things to put in

 

1. Thank you to Elysium for doing all of this! Most of us aprieciate all the hard work you are putting into this server for us to play on! Thank you!

 

2. Marshal Holystrike's Detective Skills 10/10

 

3. For us freshstart players, think of the wait this way, The PvP and PvE realms will be ahead of us to discover all of the major bugs and errors that they missed while testing it with just a few staff. Even if we are waiting an extra month (at most) it will come out ready with very few errors and problems. If they released it now it would be so buggy they would have to shut down the servers every couple hours for maintenance for months and that would be super annoying, I would rather wait for a working game to come out than a game that is not finished. Patience is important, and if you are patient, you will be happier with what you get when it finally does come out.

 

4. I posted this in the old forum before I noticed there was a new one so I'll post it at the bottom here.:

For those of you who may have missed it or are too lazy to read the entire AMA, I made a quick TL;DR for the important info. If you found a mistake I made in it or something I missed let me know! The full AMA can be found here!

 

Nost/Elys AMA Recap/TL;DR:

• Launch date still not confirmed but they are working on it night and day

• The 3 servers (PvP. PvE, and freshstart PvP) will all be released at different times in that order within 3-4 weeks time absolute max but most likely a lot quicker

• There will be a server player cap, the number is undecided but it will be fairly large (quality of game/view distance over quantity of the players at a time)

• TBC is not a focus right now, they would wait untill vanilla quality is primed and naxx is over with before they even start on it...

• Forum reformatting is on the list to do, but it is not a priority at the moment.

• Bosses and Raids will remain original pre-nerf difficulty with the exception of "unkillable" bosses, which they will custom nerf (not as much as blizz did) so they are still really difficult, but not completely impossible (C'thun was used as an example - HP and damage wont be nerfed unlike blizz, but they will slightly change tentacle mechanics to make it possible)

• Release Timelines will be different from nost and elys, and will be released later

• Information on the Stress Test (including sign ups, clients, realms, etc...) Will all be given soon, prior to the testing in an announcement on the website.

Edited November 13, 2016 by XreaperDK

[illitari 1]

Thanks for summarising the AMA reaper, i couldn't get through the wall of text.

Edited November 13, 2016 by illitari