[AddOn] aux and more

[shirsig 18]

 

6 minutes ago, orwell said:

I expected from you, without much debate [...]

Yeah, sorry, lol, it doesn't work that way as I happen to not be your servant.

I think your argument against the usefulness of the listing is pretty weak but I'll keep it in mind.

[Randall 0]

Wow what a cretin, how about making your own addon if this one doesn't suit you? Or too lazy for that?

Thank you Shirsig for the work you have done on this and other addons.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Randall

[shirsig 18]

6 minutes ago, orwell said:

The end user should not see 15 copper as 15.000 coppers. This is unnecessary. Please explain, What good does it do for us?

As I explained before, fractionals are needed so that you can specify an exact stack price by unit price, particularly for undercutting by 1c. The reason for the .000 is purely for alignment and consistency so that the prices are easier to compare. In the images you posted the alignment was messed up anyway because of your custom font but, well, nothing I can do there.

You can be self-justifying all you want but this addon has many problems.

After the latest change to the post tab, don't pretty much all your complaints come down to features you don't want to use that you can easily ignore (though you want me to remove them)? I don't consider those huge problems exactly.

[shirsig 18]

5 minutes ago, orwell said:

I've expected him to respect the users.

Respect is not earned by insults and demands, nor does respecting users mean to cater to their every whim.

[orwell 0]

14 minutes ago, shirsig said:

As I explained before, fractionals BLA BLA BLA

1- Answer the original question: what good does it do for the end user? seeing ,000

2- Do you know of any addons that can undercut prices without showing users ,000 numbers?

Wait, it is every fucking AH addon that ever existed for WoW. Every single one of them shows 15 coppers as 15 coppers except aux.

 

[shirsig 18]

Huh? Look, let's say you wanna post a stack of linen cloth and want to undercut some other auction by 1c, what unit price would you use? 1c less? Then you're actually undercutting by 20c, not by 1c. You need to post it at 1/20c less to undercut by 1c, but how do you do that if you cannot specify numbers smaller than 1? Most AH addons actually do not allow undercutting by 1c. Some undercut the unit price by 1c (bad) and some undercut in different ways, like by 5% (also bad).

[orwell 0]

18 minutes ago, shirsig said:

Huh? Look, let's say you wanna post a stack of linen cloth and want to undercut some other auction by 1c, what unit price would you use? 1c less? Then you're actually undercutting by 20c, not by 1c. You need to post it at 1/20c less to undercut by 1c, but how do you do that if you cannot specify numbers smaller than 1? Most AH addons actually do not allow undercutting by 1c. Some undercut the unit price by 1c (bad) and some undercut in different ways, like by 5% (also bad).

Ok then,

How much do you think people should care about 19 coppers when selling a stack that worths 1g?

1 gold is 100 silver which is 10.000 coppers. You're saving %0,002 of the total amount. This percentage is even lower for higher priced stacks.

This is a microscopical amount compared to any stacks prices. This will never save enough to repair your armor ONCE at higher levels. This will never save enough to do anything with that money, really.

So there are my arguments, choke on it.

 

Edited February 16, 2017 by orwell

[shirsig 18]

At lower levels it can be significant. At higher levels it's not much, true, but it's still a pretty much guaranteed loss. Not a big deal, but neither is showing the .000 which you're acting like it's the next shoah.

[orwell 0]

3 minutes ago, shirsig said:

At lower levels it can be significant. At higher levels it's not much, true, but it's still a pretty much guaranteed loss. Not a big deal, but neither is showing the .000 which you're acting like it's the next shoah.

Let me tell you something.

Those 19 coppers are nothing at the lower levels, and nothing at the higher levels. They are nothing all the time.

There's also another question of why the end user has to see ,000's while you could just do that math behind the windows. That way you could get rich and buy your epic mounts anyway.

Edited February 16, 2017 by orwell

[shirsig 18]

Well, for the automatic undercutting sort of, but you still lose the ability to manually specify an exact stack price.

What you also lose though, is transparency, because then you get several entries in the listing with the same price and it's not clear why they're not collapsed, why they're sorted the way they are or why you get different results when undercutting.

If there were any huge drawbacks I would change it in a heartbeat but I fail to see what's so horrible about the extra precision.

Edited February 16, 2017 by shirsig

[orwell 0]

3 minutes ago, shirsig said:

If there were any huge drawbacks

The drawback for me is aesthethics. It lacks beauty and simplicity.

Aux windows look like giant databases of information when you just want to buy the cheapest citrine and be done with it.

[shirsig 18]

4 minutes ago, orwell said:

The drawback for me is aesthethics. It lacks beauty and simplicity.

Aux windows look like giant databases of information when you just want to buy the cheapest citrine and be done with it.

Now you're talking about the search tab though, which, as has been said before, is an almost exact copy of the popular retail addon of many years, TSM. Auctioneer's search even shows the same information too:

The extra information there is simply needed because you are not always just looking for the cheapest citrine.

 

Besides, this is an AH addon, not a flower, so aesthetics aren't the first priority, making good deals is.

[orwell 0]

2 minutes ago, shirsig said:

Now you're talking about the search tab though, which, as has been said before, is an almost exact copy of the popular retail addon of many years, TSM. Auctioneer's search even shows the same information too:

The extra information there is simply needed because you are not always just looking for the cheapest citrine.

 

Besides, this is an AH addon, not a flower, so aesthetics aren't the first priority, making good deals is.

Yeah we know it's based on TSM but it's not gonna save aux from criticism.

Anyway, I've spent too much time on this.

Have fun playing and coding.

 

[euron 1]

11 hours ago, shirsig said:

It's a problem with the used mode. Not sure how to fix it but you can always deactivate it (/cooldowns used).

 

Right I can't believe I didn't try that yet. 

Thanks.

[maxxee 0]

В 16.02.2017 в 16:27, orwell сказал:

Ok let me add one more thing what us rational people of the earth do. We tidy up our bags while running. We tidy it while flying. We tidy it before going to bed and tidy it in the morning. We tidy it while the coffee is getting hot and tidy it after taking a dump.

Why we do it?

- To easily mail auctionable items to your bank alt.

- To quickly sell trash/white/soulbound items to a vendor.

- Because we just can't go around without tidying our bags...

- Because we have free time while running, flying etc.

How we do it?

- Put quest items next to each other.

- Put auctionable items next to each other before posting to bank alt.

- Put vendorable items next to each other while running to a vendor.

- Put same items next to each other (e.g. 20x Silk Cloth - 20x Silk Cloth)

BONUS: Lets say you swapped weapons and one of your weapons are now out of its usual place... What do you do?

You take it from there and put it in the usual place. If a person don't do this, he is a slobbering obese who can't even get up from his chair.

If he spends more than 3 seconds everytime he needs that weapon, you can forget about him.

Tidying your bag is what you have to do in every occasion because you need it clean for anything.

If a player doesn't have this habit, he can't be any more rational than I am

So you might have solved auctioning problem for lazy people (they still have to tidy their bags for mailing and vendoring), but those people who doesn't tidy their bags are irrational, not me.

Jeez man, you really need to free you lifetime just by installing and getting used to EngBags addon.

[Sloffanti 0]

Hey Shirsig, first of all a big thank you for all the amazing addons, 2ndly I'd like to know why the command "/cooldowns skin" in your cooldowns addon does nothing ingame ? has it been removed ? In your github post you said it had 4 differents skins and I was interested to see If you implemented a less heavily bordered skin than the default one. Or maybe I am completely missunderstanding the purpose of that command.

Thanks again.

[laytya 16]

Hello shirsig, 

Do you have some API in aux? like Auctioneer have.

Im porting LilSparky's Workshop addon  - already working w/ auctioneer pack. But want add support of AUX.

 

[kick1234567890 0]

Is it possible to display total stack price instead of unit price when you're posting items?

[orwell 0]

18 hours ago, kick1234567890 said:

Is it possible to display total stack price instead of unit price when you're posting items?

No, shirsig thinks it's unnecessary to see total price cos items sell for what they sell anyway.

;)

Edited February 19, 2017 by orwell

[Koop 2]

I can't ever seem to pin Clean Up to my OneBag frame. I go through the cycle of ui elements I can pin it to and it never seems to highlight my open bag. Any ideas? I'd love to get it to work like in the example screenshots.

[maxxee 0]

В 19.02.2017 в 13:55, Koop сказал:

I can't ever seem to pin Clean Up to my OneBag frame. I go through the cycle of ui elements I can pin it to and it never seems to highlight my open bag. Any ideas? I'd love to get it to work like in the example screenshots.

EngBag solves that problem, items got auto-sorted

[xestikas 0]

Anyone else that has the following problem: sometimes items are not posted for sale when hitting the post button, although they disappear from the left menu?

[shirsig 18]

On 2/19/2017 at 8:55 AM, Koop said:

I can't ever seem to pin Clean Up to my OneBag frame. I go through the cycle of ui elements I can pin it to and it never seems to highlight my open bag. Any ideas? I'd love to get it to work like in the example screenshots.

 

Pretty sure I've tested it with onebag. are you sure you went through all of them? there can be a ton if you have many addons installed. maybe try temporarily disabling other addons to place the button.

On 2/18/2017 at 10:54 AM, laytya said:

Hello shirsig, 

Do you have some API in aux? like Auctioneer have.

Im porting LilSparky's Workshop addon  - already working w/ auctioneer pack. But want add support of AUX.

 

Pretty much everything is accessible through the module system. what do you need?

 

On 2/18/2017 at 2:14 AM, Sloffanti said:

Hey Shirsig, first of all a big thank you for all the amazing addons, 2ndly I'd like to know why the command "/cooldowns skin" in your cooldowns addon does nothing ingame ? has it been removed ? In your github post you said it had 4 differents skins and I was interested to see If you implemented a less heavily bordered skin than the default one. Or maybe I am completely missunderstanding the purpose of that command.

Thanks again.

after skin you need to put the name of the skin

 

1 hour ago, xestikas said:

Anyone else that has the following problem: sometimes items are not posted for sale when hitting the post button, although they disappear from the left menu?

Delete the savedvariables or otherwise it's items which aren't actually auctionable for some reason but where aux can't detect that initially (e.g., lockboxes)

 

On 2/19/2017 at 6:13 AM, orwell said:

No, shirsig thinks it's unnecessary to see total price cos items sell for what they sell anyway.

;)

Well, isn't it true? I can see why the total price of all auctions posted might be interesting in some cases (though not sure which all exactly should be included) but a single stack price, why do you need to know that.

[laytya 16]

5 часов назад, shirsig сказал:

Pretty much everything is accessible through the module system. what do you need?

Need to know HSP value or whatever you have.

dont find system module =)

Edited February 21, 2017 by laytya

[shirsig 18]

4 hours ago, laytya said:

Need to know HSP value or whatever you have.

dont find system module =)

Well, the historical value is require'aux.core.history'.value(item_key) where item_key is the item id and suffix id with a : in between.

Edited February 21, 2017 by shirsig