Nibelheim 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Yes, another fresh server thread that will be filled by hateful answers by the old pvp&players, but i have a big question that blow my mind, we all know that they delay the fresh server to avoid the risk of the old servers death with all the people rolling on the fresh but.... the vanilla community its so big guys23k account were created on the last stress test, 10k players on the last stress test (most people dont even care about the tests) all servers will be fuilled... even the PVE will grab so many new players, why make half of your playerbase wait till january? with this launch order the only thing you will get is all the people who want the fresh joining in the old PVP to kill the time making the server unplayable for the real people who wants to play their old characters, maybe you have more reasons but if you are doing this to keep the players on the old servers i think you are pretty wrong, people will play wherever they want i hope we can talk about this without the fresh server haters. sry for bad english, regards. Edited December 13, 2016 by Nibelheim 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tholren 7 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 It is not delayed. It simply isn't done yet and they have very limited resources to work with. I firmly believe that the theory of trying to avoid mass desertion from the old servers is wrong. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pmizz 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Because many players will make a character on old nost pvp, level to 25 and realize it's awesome and a new server isn't really that important to them especially when they go on that server and can't hit level 2 becasue the zones are so packed. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nibelheim 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) It is not delayed. It simply isn't done yet and they have very limited resources to work with. I firmly believe that the theory of trying to avoid mass desertion from the old servers is wrong. I hope you're not the kind of people who thinks that suzerain message on discord its true where he said "fresh server need more effort than the old servers" because it seems more hard to me merge 2 database than a fresh server... Because many players will make a character on old nost pvp, level to 25 and realize it's awesome and a new server isn't really that important to them especially when they go on that server and can't hit level 2 becasue the zones are so packed. new server isnt really important if you are going to level a new character? are you kidding me? i was getting ganked all the time by 60s in nostalrius and i started to play 2 months later... come on Edited December 13, 2016 by Nibelheim 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dralek 5 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Yes, another fresh server thread that will be filled by hateful answers by the old pvp&players, but i have a big question that blow my mind, we all know that they delay the fresh server to avoid the risk of the old servers death with all the people rolling on the fresh but.... the vanilla community its so big guys 23k account were created on the last stress test, 10k players on the last stress test (most people dont even care about the tests) all servers will be fuilled... even the PVE will grab so many new players, why make half of your playerbase wait till january? with this launch order the only thing you will get is all the people who want the fresh joining in the old PVP to kill the time making the server unplayable for the real people who wants to play their old characters, maybe you have more reasons but if you are doing this to keep the players on the old servers i think you are pretty wrong, people will play wherever they want i hope we can talk about this without the fresh server haters. sry for bad english, regards. Most likely, it will be released much sooner. If there are as many people as that, they will have to release the fresh server, because the old nost pvp will be packed and the queues will be too long. Furthermore, servers will have a much lower cap than the original nost (when we had like 14k online). Imagine people hyped about the release on saturday, looking foward to log their old 60's and bam, 5k queue, wait time of 2 hours. Suddenly every nost pvp player will be spamming threads begging for the release of the new server. Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nibelheim 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Most likely, it will be released much sooner. If there are as many people as that, they will have to release the fresh server, because the old nost pvp will be packed and the queues will be too long. Furthermore, servers will have a much lower cap than the original nost (when we had like 14k online). Imagine people hyped about the release on saturday, looking foward to log their old 60's and bam, 5k queue, wait time of 2 hours. Suddenly every nost pvp player will be spamming threads begging for the release of the new server. man thats the thing that its going to happen, old pvp will have big queues because all the people who want fresh dont have where to play till january, from my point of view they are wrong with the server order 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amph 5 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 I hope you're not the kind of people who thinks that suzerain message on discord its true where he said "fresh server need more effort than the old servers" because it seems more hard to me merge 2 database than a fresh server... Even if you're right, it means that they've had to spend more time preparing the old Nostalrius database which would have put progress on the fresh server on hold. Add to that all the work they've done on the hardware after all the stress tests. Nostalrius was always going to be developed and released first because it is the iconic vanilla legacy server. I cannot see them bringing the release of the fresh server forward simply because of the holidays (and the fact that they've already stated that it is not coming till January at the minimum). Perhaps if the rerelease of Nost had come at any other month than December, they would have brought the fresh server in a lot sooner. We'll have two servers to play around on after they're released on Saturday. I plan to play on Nost PVE to ease the pain of waiting. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nibelheim 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Even if you're right, it means that they've had to spend more time preparing the old Nostalrius database which would have put progress on the fresh server on hold. Add to that all the work they've done on the hardware after all the stress tests. Nostalrius was always going to be developed and released first because it is the iconic vanilla legacy server. I cannot see them bringing the release of the fresh server forward simply because of the holidays (and the fact that they've already stated that it is not coming till January at the minimum). Perhaps if the rerelease of Nost had come at any other month than December, they would have brought the fresh server in a lot sooner. We'll have two servers to play around on after they're released on Saturday. I plan to play on Nost PVE to ease the pain of waiting. i understand that, the old servers have priority because the proyect its about relaunch nostalrius, but they can launch the 3 servers at the same time or even few days or a week after the old, not another freaking month, the community is insanely big, i cant understand why they are so afraid of people roling on the fresh Edited December 13, 2016 by Nibelheim 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenzig 34 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 There is no delay on the fresh server. It was always slated to release 2-3 weeks after Nost 2.0. There is a huge misconception that it has been delayed. People's opinion of the release progression has changed since they bumped up the PvE realm. It's true, we do t k ow the exact date yet. Could be first week in January. Could be later. Either way, you'll get your fresh server. And when you do, you'll love it. Just be patient. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amph 5 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 i understand that, the old servers have priority because the proyect its about relaunch nostalrius, but they can launch the 3 servers at the same time or even few days or a week after the old, not another freaking month, the community is insanely big, i cant understand why they are so afraid of people roling on the fresh The probable reason is because the fresh server is not ready to be released on the 17th of December. I remember they said that there was work to be done on getting the fresh server prepared for the patch it is going to be released on. This work probably has not been completed yet and with the impending holidays, they will not have time to complete this until after Christmas. Just my speculation. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arthen 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 I hope you're not the kind of people who thinks that suzerain message on discord its true where he said "fresh server need more effort than the old servers" because it seems more hard to me merge 2 database than a fresh server... new server isnt really important if you are going to level a new character? are you kidding me? i was getting ganked all the time by 60s in nostalrius and i started to play 2 months later... come on If you think you're not going to get ganked on the new server you're gonna have a bad time 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenzig 34 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 i understand that, the old servers have priority because the proyect its about relaunch nostalrius, but they can launch the 3 servers at the same time or even few days or a week after the old, not another freaking month, the community is insanely big, i cant understand why they are so afraid of people roling on the freshThey can. Maybe. It would be a logistical nightmare. Point is, they arent. Not much can be done about that. We don't run their lives. They want more time to launch the fresh server correctly. And they also want to spend time with their families during holiday vacation, just like the rest of us. Give them a small little tiny break for providing you with a free quality server to play on. Regardless of whether you get it this week or next month. Show a little gratitude, and a lot less attitude. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dralek 5 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) some industrial strength wishful thinking. the devs themselves stated it wont be coming till January at minimum. The devs have said that one of the reasons they wish to release the nost fresh realm much later is to provide a better chance for the other 2 to stack up on population. I presume the 4 week postponements is in due to this choice. Assuming the fresh realm comes out on January 10th at least, it would give enough time for the nost pvp to catch some of the new comers into their population ranks. However, if it turns out that the nost pvp server is overrun by players, with 20k players trying to get into an 8k queue, they will most likely release the fresh server, bugs and all, just to make way for the population. No one wants a 2 hour wait on queue, specially not all the old lvl 60. Look at the topic in which established 60's suggest that they should get priority on log in, as to not have to face the queue. And then they call people hyped for fresh as "entitled retail babies". Talk about hipocricy. : https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=23232 -------- Here is the quote from dev announcement. https://elysium-project.org/news/stress-testing?page=3 Population is also a large aspect of our choice. Releasing the Nostalrius PvP realm first will minorly effect the population of the fresh realm. However, based on polls, the Elysium fresh realm will have the most active players, and so by launching in this order, we effectively balance out the two servers. Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aisar87 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) I don't believe it's a technical issue that is keeping fresh from releasing around the same time as nost servers. I think they are purposely "delaying" (yes I'm using that word to describe the release window) of the fresh server purely for nost population reasons. I am becoming more and more certain that this will not be an issue, I think it will turn out to be the opposite. If enough people can't get in to play and the wait is ridiculous they are going to have a serious community issue with outcry for the fresh server to be released. Know who will be complaining the most? Yep, people who have old characters on nost. As soon as they feel the sting of being held back their tune will change completely. Edited December 13, 2016 by Aisar87 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenzig 34 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 I don't believe it's a technical issue that is keeping fresh from releasing around the same time as nost servers. I think they are purposely "delaying" (yes I'm using that word to describe the release window) of the fresh server purely for nost population reasons. Yeah. We all know this. The staff have openly stated this. Population balance. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrcWarrior 1 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 The devs have said that one of the reasons they wish to release the nost fresh realm much later is to provide a better chance for the other 2 to stack up on population. I presume the 4 week postponements is in due to this choice. Assuming the fresh realm comes out on January 10th at least, it would give enough time for the nost pvp to catch some of the new comers into their population ranks. However, if it turns out that the nost pvp server is overrun by players, with 20k players trying to get into an 8k queue, they will most likely release the fresh server, bugs and all, just to make way for the population. No one wants a 2 hour wait on queue, specially not all the old lvl 60. Look at the topic in which established 60's suggest that they should get priority on log in, as to not have to face the queue. And then they call people hyped for fresh as "entitled retail babies". Talk about hipocricy. : https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=23232 -------- Here is the quote from dev announcement. https://elysium-project.org/news/stress-testing?page=3 Population is also a large aspect of our choice. Releasing the Nostalrius PvP realm first will minorly effect the population of the fresh realm. However, based on polls, the Elysium fresh realm will have the most active players, and so by launching in this order, we effectively balance out the two servers. You know what, the old players from Nostalrius actually have a right to be entitled. The database is the reason for the hype. How many of the freshers started playing on Valkyries/Elysium server when it fresh released in August? I would say a minority if even that. And it's not "our side" blasting the forums or subreddits with constant new topics where we whine about servers being "delayed" (it is not, it's still on time). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrcWarrior 1 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Yeah. We all know this. The staff have openly stated this. Population balance. Maybe factor in the need for support staff. What people seem to overlook is that every server need a certain amount of GMs and other support staff and releasing the servers bit by bit helps ease the transition. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badtank 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Why the hell do you people even want a fresh server? So what people are not "ahead of you? Reality check, you're going to be behind the top end on the fresh server as well. Established servers are far better for new players, you can make a lot more money, consumables don't cost a ваууing zillion gold and it's actually easier overall to get gear and get into raids. Not to mention how much you're going to hate leveling, holy christ the first two waves on nost was absolute misery. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenzig 34 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) You know what, the old players from Nostalrius actually have a right to be entitled. The database is the reason for the hype. No. Us old Nost players do not have a right to act entitled. We played on an enormously popular private server. That doesn't make us special. We didn't create the database. Edited December 13, 2016 by Glenzig 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daedric 4 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) I could see things go either way. If the server can handle it, and the queues are at least semi-reasonable, then there's no reason to think they won't stick to the schedule. That being said, the hype is incredible. When else have major news outlets covered such an event? Yes, maybe only a fraction DO play...but even then, that's thousands more. Since the staff has proven again and again to have their head in the game, and a sound plan, I trust them to do what is best for the community. If that means releasing the fresh server to siphon off players, then so be it. I certainly will be ecstatic to say the least! We'll just have to see what happens on launch day. Edited December 13, 2016 by Daedric 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrcWarrior 1 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 No. Us old Nost players do not have a right to act entitled. We played on an enormously popular private server. That doesn't make us special. We didn't create the database. Okay, I phrased it badly. Point still stands that if it weren't for the hype of the database returning, the freshers would not be here yelling about the need for a fresh server to in their words "preserve the community". 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenzig 34 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Okay, I phrased it badly. Point still stands that if it weren't for the hype of the database returning, the freshers would not be here yelling about the need for a fresh server to in their words "preserve the community". Oh for sure. It's all about nost coming back first. Above all else. I read the initial announcement on the timeline and was really excited, and my preferred realm was slotted to be launched last (PvE ). If they decide to push pve to the back again and release fresh in its place, I still wouldn't complain. Honestly. I'm just glad to be able to piddle around vanilla wow again at some point. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nibelheim 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 guys if you ask me im pretty sure that they going to open the fresh before january, the queues for the old PVP will be insanely huge and they are going to be forced to open it sooner than expected, yes there is PVE server but you know.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dralek 5 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Why the hell do you people even want a fresh server? So what people are not "ahead of you? Reality check, you're going to be behind the top end on the fresh server as well. Established servers are far better for new players, you can make a lot more money, consumables don't cost a ваууing zillion gold and it's actually easier overall to get gear and get into raids. Not to mention how much you're going to hate leveling, holy christ the first two waves on nost was absolute misery. 1) People like to experience every stage of the game. Not everyone just gets gear and jumps into the latest raid. 2)Some people like fresh realm because it gives more opportuinities: - To make gold: getting an early recipe, or craft can make you rich. Imagine the first few guys that get the +healing in weapon enchantment? or hide of the wild? In an established server with lots of products, prices are lower. - Raid competition: some like to achieve world firsts, fresh server provides that opportunity. - PvP: gear balance is great for grinding pvp; starting on a server were people outgear your blues with their tier 2 epics, isn't fun. 3) Some people just bet on the server they think will have the best opportunities of survival. Edited December 13, 2016 by Dralek 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nibelheim 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Why the hell do you people even want a fresh server? So what people are not "ahead of you? Reality check, you're going to be behind the top end on the fresh server as well. Established servers are far better for new players, you can make a lot more money, consumables don't cost a ваууing zillion gold and it's actually easier overall to get gear and get into raids. Not to mention how much you're going to hate leveling, holy christ the first two waves on nost was absolute misery. Not be ganked by retarded 60s, make low lvl dungeons, outdoor pvp with people of same lvl range, not be rushed in PVE by geared people, make fair PVP, first server kills, there are millions of things that you cant enjoy in a old server, maybe it sounds crazy for you but there are 10k players who want fresh start, maybe more --> http://www.strawpoll.me/11589399/r Edited December 13, 2016 by Nibelheim 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
