GM just banned my friend? WTF mode.

[Glenzig 34]

7 hours ago, Antipatra said:

You know, you sound like someone who has zero trust in anyone. He is my friend. I have known him for 13 years. I asked him straight up to tell me if he was just covering his ass, maybe he didn't want to look like a piece of shit for cheating, and that I wouldn't think any less of him if he was actually doing what the GM said he was doing. He still told me he wasn't cheating, and I'm inclined to believe my friend. That's what friends do.

 

 

 

 Who admits to cheating anyway? 

 

 

[Drakbak 3]

My guess is that your friend was safespotting on top of one of the buildings, and doesn't realize that that's a no-no.

[Antipatra 0]

46 minutes ago, Drakbak said:

My guess is that your friend was safespotting on top of one of the buildings, and doesn't realize that that's a no-no.

Then it should be a simple thing to just say that and show me a picture. I can believe that he might have done this without knowing it. It's probably the only thing I can think of that he might have done that could be considered cheating, because he's not the type of person that memorizes the entire Rules and Regulations post, or even looks at it in the first place.

But I also don't see why this GM needed to "watch him for sometime" to ban him for this. This is exactly the type of thing I mentioned earlier; he could have easily made this decision after a couple minutes. Not even minutes, freakin' seconds. Especially if this GM was playing in the BG and saw him do it.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Antipatra 0]

4 hours ago, JunkShop said:

What's your friends name by the way?  The last time the GM's posted in the thread exactly why the guy was banned so his friend would know how he was being lied to.  Maybe they'll do the same here after looking at the appeal? 

Maledaar or Maladaar. 29 Night Elf Hunter.

[Antipatra 0]

Just now, Jorn Skyseer said:

That's just WoW. 2nd page already. You've been told what to do, follow your orders.

I did. 60 views on my appeal post and no reply yet.

[Antipatra 0]

37 minutes ago, Jorn Skyseer said:

You started it yesterday. It takes up to week, with average being 48 hours. Also, your own visits/views count.

It took the GM in question 1 day to reply to the post. He has not responded to my replies.

And yes, even if most of those are me just looking at the thread again, it couldn't have been more than 30 times that I did this. Even 80-90% still means someone else is looking at this thread multiple times.

I also asked that another GM be involved. If this was the GM that banned him, and he was supposedly in the BG playing against my friend (which is what my friend said the GM told him), then he is biased and someone else should be looking at whatever he gathered. Unless, of course, it is something simple (which, again, doesn't make much sense why he would have to watch someone for a long time). And if it was something simple like safespotting, why wouldn't he immediately be warned about it by this GM? Did he just watch and let him do this for an unknown amount of time?

37 minutes ago, Jorn Skyseer said:

Aaalso, those who didn't take part in your "friend's" affair cannot answer your appeal, so they just move over.

How would that even work? Not that you would actually know the answer, but I'm not the one that was banned and forum accounts are not linked to game accounts. They can look at the thread I made on the appeal forum, but can't/don't reply because they weren't involved? That's pretty stupid. A random guy "hired" to police a private server has no one keeping him in check if he should somehow make a mistake or take advantage of his power? lol. What kind of amateur shitshow are they running here if there are no checks and balances/redundancy to make sure the people they have working for them are doing their job correctly?

I'm simply not leaving or letting this go until I get confirmation from someone other than this GM, and evidence is produced, that proves my friend was cheating. And if that is the case, feel free to laugh and troll all you want, because yes, I was deceived by someone I am putting a lot of faith in.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[toniplavna 20]

3 minutes ago, arucado said:

this looks like a chinese gold buyer thing

I dont get those ppl, do they chat with them or what? I mean I insta-ignore them and delete mails... rly how stupid u must be and chat with them

[Antipatra 0]

Also want to say that no one is actually being hurt here... yet. I haven't said who this GM is, so his good name is not being ran through the mud for, what may be, no reason at all. He will remain anonymous until this situation is resolved. Part of me hopes he is telling the truth, because that would open up this server, and the people that run it, to some serious scrutiny. If this server, and the devs, want to be taken seriously, then things like this simply cannot happen.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Rickrolled 4]

 I  assume they blanked out the threads for ban appeals now? That way we cannot see the appeal process i assume?

[Antipatra 0]

Just now, Rickrolled said:

 I  assume they blanked out the threads for ban appeals now? That way we cannot see the appeal process i assume?

My understanding is that no one but the person that posted in the appeal forum, and the GM's, can see the threads.

[Antipatra 0]

What is this I hear about 3, or so, GM's quitting and leaving? What is the story behind that? I find that odd.

[Drakbak 3]

 

1 hour ago, Antipatra said:

Then it should be a simple thing to just say that and show me a picture. I can believe that he might have done this without knowing it. It's probably the only thing I can think of that he might have done that could be considered cheating, because he's not the type of person that memorizes the entire Rules and Regulations post, or even looks at it in the first place.

But I also don't see why this GM needed to "watch him for sometime" to ban him for this. This is exactly the type of thing I mentioned earlier; he could have easily made this decision after a couple minutes. Not even minutes, freakin' seconds. Especially if this GM was playing in the BG and saw him do it.

AFAIK, they work the appeals from oldest to newest.  It doesn't matter how "easy" or "hard" the resolution is, you're stuck in a line with all the other appeals.  In addition, every time you "bump" the thread, it gets sent to the bottom of the list.

Be patient and wait for the appeal process.

[Antipatra 0]

2 minutes ago, Jorn Skyseer said:

This is how private server's volunteers work. Are you new to this scene? Aaaaalso, they have the right of ultimate justice. So, even if the actions seem unjust to you, it's justice. This means, your "friend's" ban appeal can be rejected. Don't feel too dramatic about it.

For now, if you've posted an appeal, just sit at it, nothing else can be done. Or you can talk here, right.

Aaaaaalso, game is fantastic place to see other sides of your "friends" sometimes. I've experienced it myself. :)

Yeah, that's great. The people in charge can ban whoever they want and that's that. Injustice is justice? You know, if this was my project, my server, I would be pretty pissed if someone I hired to do a job was totally screwing it up to gain a personal advantage or dispose of someone that made him mad.

[Antipatra 0]

4 minutes ago, Drakbak said:

AFAIK, they work the appeals from oldest to newest.  It doesn't matter how "easy" or "hard" the resolution is, you're stuck in a line with all the other appeals.  In addition, every time you "bump" the thread, it gets sent to the bottom of the list.

Be patient and wait for the appeal process.

I understand this, and I'm not in a rush. I haven't made any changes to the appeal since last night. Just keeping this thread active.

And the "easy"/"hard" thing was a general statement... if the proof is easy to produce, then it shouldn't be a hard thing to set this straight - not that the actual process is difficult or anything. That's all I meant.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Antipatra 0]

7 minutes ago, Jorn Skyseer said:

You missed the difference, they are NOT HIRED. :)

Oh yeah? What's that application then on Join the Team forum? Oh, they're volunteers and not actually "hired"? Well that changes everything!... Not.

You know, I applied to be a GM about when the server launched. My strengths; integrity. My weaknesses; I can be an asshole sometimes. I didn't get a reply back. Strange enough, unflinching morals and a strong sense of right and wrong apparently comes second to whether or not you can put on a nice face (on the internet, where everyone is anonymous, of all places). At least I'm honest about it.

But hey, I'm not bitter about it or anything. I've actually been spending most of my time on Uthgard, a DAoC classic server that launched a day before this server. It's a tough choice, really, because I enjoy both games quite a bit. Having been hired to GM here wouldn't have worked, probably.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Plask 4]

Your friend is probably lying and you're naive for believing him. Wait for his appeal.

[Antipatra 0]

4 minutes ago, Plask said:

Your friend is probably lying and you're naive for believing him. Wait for his appeal.

lol, another person with no friends he would be willing to do anything for. I pity you, I really do. It sucks not having that kind of unconditional trust between friends.

Perhaps you'll get a nice laugh if a GM comes here and sets this straight. I'll even laugh with you.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Suprfli6 3]

22 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

You know, I applied to be a GM about when the server launched. My strengths; integrity. My weaknesses; I can be an asshole sometimes. I didn't get a reply back. Strange enough, unflinching morals and a strong sense of right and wrong apparently comes second to whether or not you can put on a nice face (on the internet, where everyone is anonymous, of all places). At least I'm honest about it.

But hey, I'm not bitter about it or anything. 

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

[Ristra 1]

The ban process isn't some random GM spots someone breaking the rules them mashes a ban button.

 

Things are logged and recorded then shipped off to a senior GM for review, then bannings happen.

 

If your friend was banned it was extremely likely a rule was being broken with intent.

[behemothdog 4]

27 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

Oh yeah? What's that application then on Join the Team forum? Oh, they're volunteers and not actually "hired"? Well that changes everything!... Not.

You know, I applied to be a GM about when the server launched. My strengths; integrity. My weaknesses; I can be an asshole sometimes. I didn't get a reply back. Strange enough, unflinching morals and a strong sense of right and wrong apparently comes second to whether or not you can put on a nice face (on the internet, where everyone is anonymous, of all places). At least I'm honest about it.

But hey, I'm not bitter about it or anything. I've actually been spending most of my time on Uthgard, a DAoC classic server that launched a day before this server. It's a tough choice, really, because I enjoy both games quite a bit. Having been hired to GM here wouldn't have worked, probably.

Did you really write "My strengths; integrity. My weaknesses; I can be an asshole sometimes. " in an application? I mean using the word "asshole" in any sort of application is a good way to have it tossed aside. 

[Antipatra 0]

2 minutes ago, Ristra said:

The ban process isn't some random GM spots someone breaking the rules them mashes a ban button.

 

Things are logged and recorded then shipped off to a senior GM for review, then bannings happen.

 

If your friend was banned it was extremely likely a rule was being broken with intent.

Here is an example of unconditional trust in someone who is just like you but got chosen to have special rights. Basically, a stranger that you will believe above all other people for no good reason whatsoever. Commendable in your naivety.

[Antipatra 0]

5 minutes ago, behemothdog said:

Did you really write "My strengths; integrity. My weaknesses; I can be an asshole sometimes. " in an application? I mean using the word "asshole" in any sort of application is a good way to have it tossed aside. 

To be honest, I wasn't even being serious with the application process. At the time, they looked like they needed all the help they could get, with random gold sellers and what have you infesting the server. Yeah, I wasn't expecting to get picked as a GM, I just figured I would be brutally honest with the application process. Being an asshole really doesn't have any affect on doing my job if it all it entails is receiving gold spammer tells and banning the person responsible, which is what I figured I would do if I was a GM. It's also not like I can't control my tendencies. I do have a switch. I work in IT and deal with calls from annoying people all the time.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Ristra 1]

A system with checks and procedures for ensuring correctness vs trust in someone translates to statistical evaluations

 

If you think I don't understand trust then that's your problem.  Trust is irrelevant in this equation.  Logs and recordings is proof.

 

If they have proof trust goes right out the window.  No matter how much you want to ignore the proof.

[Antipatra 0]

Here is some new information I just received from my friend. I asked him if he was safespotting;

"What I did was primarily be at blacksmith or stables. I would drop a freeze trap, the area of effect slow, on the flag, put my boar pet right on the flag on stay, then I would shadow meld at max range 36m (with talents). People would trigger the trap, and I would lay waste and "stutter shot", with that addon that shows a visual timer so I can stop for a split second to auto shot while running.

The thing I think is most interesting is the stutter shooting method. That's probably what they thought, like how can I be running and also shooting. I would stop just long enough, like half a second, when auto attack is ready to fire. That's primarily it, but with max range I could just avoid danger. I still got killed a lot on zergs. Mage slow, warrior hamstring and rogue poison still got me, but with concussion shot (talented for stun), I could avoid a lot."

So, herein lies the question; is this UI addon that he was using the reason why he was banned? Is that one against the rules?

[Antipatra 0]

4 minutes ago, Ristra said:

Logs and recordings is proof. If they have proof trust goes right out the window.  No matter how much you want to ignore the proof.

That's great. Then they can easily show me what it was that made them think he was cheating. The thing is, there is no proof here. Not yet. Just the word of someone who couldn't even form proper sentences or spell check.