GM just banned my friend? WTF mode.

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7 minutes ago, Glenzig said:

You have suppositions, heresay, and inferrences. That's not information. Certainly not anything would be threatening to the server staff. 

Interesting, because that's all I've been given as a reason for his ban. The possibility that someone who did no wrong was banned because someone got mad they were killed by him is enough of a story to tarnish a reputation IMO, especially when you ask these people for evidence and it is not provided by the staff (which actually hasn't received a response yet, so I digress...). It seems like a pretty odd thing to go through all that trouble for something that can be solved without much effort by them, which is all I'm asking for and is the entire point of this thread since the first post.

Let's not forget that this isn't even a legitimate enterprise. It's, for all intents and purposes, an illegal server and act. A grey area and arguable, for sure. There is nothing that makes them need to act in any "official" capacity. If someone requires evidence, they should provide it. I would argue that anyone that was banned here should be given very specific details about what it was they did to earn that. There is -zero- reason not to do that.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

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6 minutes ago, Mealticket said:

This has gotten way too long. There are a decent amount of R14s who have probably had super awesome stats at the end of a bg. If that was all he was doing, he would still have his acct. 

Not disagreeing with you.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Glenzig 34]

8 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

Interesting, because that's all I've been given as a reason for his ban. The possibility that someone who did no wrong was banned because someone got mad they were killed by him is enough of a story to tarnish a reputation IMO, especially when you ask these people for evidence and it is not provided by the staff (which actually hasn't received a response yet, so I digress...). It seems like a pretty odd thing to go through all that trouble for something that can be solved without much effort by them, which is all I'm asking for and is the entire point of this thread since the first post.

Them refusing to share the details of a ban with a third party does not mean that they don't have enough evidence for a ban. It actually only means that they aren't willing to share it with you, the third party that has zero rights to the info to begin with.

That is completely opposite from your position. Don't try to conflate the two positions.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Glenzig

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1 minute ago, Glenzig said:

Them refusing to share the details of a ban with a third party does not mean that they don't have enough evidence for a ban. It actually only means that they aren't willing to share it with you, the third party that has zero rights to the info to begin with.

That is completely opposite from your position. Don't try to equivocate the two.

That's mighty fucking convenient, can we agree on that? It's an appeal forum. It's private. My concern is clearly legitimate. They can make exceptions.

[Amberwaal 5]

1 minute ago, Antipatra said:

That's mighty fucking convenient, can we agree on that? It's an appeal forum. It's private. My concern is clearly legitimate. They can make exceptions.

But they shouldn't make exceptions. And why do it for you?

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Just now, Ambervale said:

But they shouldn't make exceptions. And why do it for you?

Have they not done it before? Did someone not mention in this thread that something very similar happened in the past and they provided the information to him? No, maybe I imagined that...

[Glenzig 34]

Sure. It's also convenient that you weren't there to witness your friends ban. Your friend hasn't made an appeal on his own behalf. And your friend was banned for cheating. That means he's most likely guilty. Legitimate concern.

[Amberwaal 5]

Just now, Antipatra said:

Have they not done it before? Did someone not mention in this thread that something very similar happened in the past and they provided the information to him? No, maybe I imagined that...

Even if such a mistake was made, it is not a reason to make it again.

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Just now, Glenzig said:

Sure. It's also convenient that you weren't there to witness your friends ban. Your friend hasn't made an appeal on his own behalf. And your friend was banned for cheating. That means he's most likely guilty. Legitimate concern.

You're having trouble with this, aren't you? I've already mentioned that I spend my time playing on a DAoC free server, and actually don't even play this game that much. Both of us, though him more than me, only really play this while we're waiting in queue to log in to the DAoC server.

So, yeah, I wasn't here to see his ban. Yeah, he hasn't made the appeal because, like I've said again, he feels it is a waste of his time. Yeah, someone accused him of cheating. That means absolute shit without evidence, sir. It IS a legitimate concern, especially if there is wrongdoing on the GM's end.

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2 minutes ago, Ambervale said:

Even if such a mistake was made, it is not a reason to make it again.

You are entitled to that opinion, good man.

[Glenzig 34]

So you can provide no evidence that he didn't cheat? Very convenient. 

The GM was there and witnessed it. I'd trust the GM more.

[Antipatra 0]

Just now, Glenzig said:

So you can provide no evidence that he didn't cheat? Very convenient. 

The GM was there and witnessed it. I'd trust the GM more.

Yeah, lots of people witness shit. Some of them witness it wrong, too. Humans do that.

[Antipatra 0]

Innocent until proven guilty. Some of you don't seem to understand this concept. He was banned. You have no information about it. Eh, it must be true. I'm going to trust one side over the other because it's the path of least resistance and requires no effort on my part. I'm going to believe someone who really has no earned authority and was just given it because he seemed like a "good guy".

Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. It still hasn't been resolved.

[Ironsides 35]

3 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

Innocent until proven guilty. Some of you don't seem to understand this concept. He was banned. You have no information about it. Eh, it must be true. I'm going to trust one side over the other because it's the path of least resistance and requires no effort on my part. I'm going to believe someone who really has no earned authority and was just given it because he seemed like a "good guy".

Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. It still hasn't been resolved.

That's only in America. This is a french/russian server. If your friend was innocent, he'd make the topic himself.

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1 minute ago, Ironsides said:

That's only in America. This is a french/russian server. If your friend was innocent, he'd make the topic himself.

He just might. I seem to have given him some renewed interest after spending so much time on this. Maybe he'll take over and we'll get somewhere.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Amberwaal 5]

1 minute ago, Antipatra said:

He just might. I seem to have given him so renewed interest after spending so much time on this. Maybe he'll take over and we'll get somewhere.

Well, that does sound infinitely more reasonable as you have absolutely zero authority over this case. Except of course for the "give me proof or I'll smear you over all of the Internet. EVERYONE will know!"

Edited January 26, 2017 by Ambervale

[Glenzig 34]

2 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

Yeah, lots of people witness shit. Some of them witness it wrong, too. Humans do that.

They also lie to their friends. 

My point was, you are appealing his ban. You're going to have to be ready to provide some sort of counter evidence to the GM during the appeals process. That's how an appeal actually works.

It seems as if you're working off of heresay and conjecture. That won't get his ban reversed.

[behemothdog 4]

1 hour ago, Antipatra said:

It's also pretty unfair to say "hey, take screenshots", when he can't go back in and do this... because, you know, he's banned. That would require foresight of the situation "Am I going to get banned for whatever it was I did" for him to make the call that he should take screenshots. How would he have known this would happen, especially if he was innocent?

Obviously I meant when the GM contacts him. screens of that. 

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21 minutes ago, Ambervale said:

Well, that does sound infinitely more reasonable as you have absolutely zero authority over this case. Except of course for the "give me proof or I'll smear you over all of the Internet. EVERYONE will know!"

What can I say? I'm petty and vindictive to perceived injustice(s). Which, again, actually hasn't been proven one way or the other, so I'm not sure why you, or anyone, keeps coming here and arguing with me. You've made your point. You don't think anything will happen. Fine. I get it. I disagree with you. Let's just leave it at that, eh?

We'll see what the GM's say and decide.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Revo 34]

ppl like OP make GMs and DEVs lose interest and possibly quit such projects because of lack of respect

posting this in the "general forum" has only 1 reason: vilify the staff.

this thread shouldve bee closed long ago

Edited January 26, 2017 by Revo

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3 minutes ago, Revo said:

ppl like OP make GMs and DEVs lose interest and possibly quit such projects because of lack of respect

posting this in the "general forum" has only 1 reason: discouraging the staff.

Good, some people don't deserve their power. Questioning authority is nothing new. Silencing dissenting opinion is a nice way of showing you fear the repercussions of being wrong.

And I'm not going to respect anyone that hasn't earned or deserved it. Personal opinion, definitely, but not one without merit.

I've also stated that if the accusation comes back true, then that will be the end of it. I can be proven wrong and I can accept that.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Revo 34]

Just now, Antipatra said:

Good, some people don't deserve their power. Questioning authority is nothing new. Silencing dissenting opinion is a nice way of showing you fear the repercussions of being wrong.

and others dont deserve to play with normal, unguilty ppl. and some others dont deserve to be able to post on forums, because they only fill it with piles of sht.

[Ristra 1]

51 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

Interesting, because that's all I've been given as a reason for his ban. The possibility that someone who did no wrong was banned because someone got mad they were killed by him is enough of a story to tarnish a reputation IMO, especially when you ask these people for evidence and it is not provided by the staff (which actually hasn't received a response yet, so I digress...). It seems like a pretty odd thing to go through all that trouble for something that can be solved without much effort by them, which is all I'm asking for and is the entire point of this thread since the first post.

Let's not forget that this isn't even a legitimate enterprise. It's, for all intents and purposes, an illegal server and act. A grey area and arguable, for sure. There is nothing that makes them need to act in any "official" capacity. If someone requires evidence, they should provide it. I would argue that anyone that was banned here should be given very specific details about what it was they did to earn that. There is -zero- reason not to do that.

There is always the possibility that there was a reason given.  Just because your friend isn't giving a reason doesn't remove the possibility.

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1 minute ago, Revo said:

and others dont deserve to play with normal, unguilty ppl. and some others dont deserve to be able to post on forums, because they only fill it with piles of sht.

You like saying absolutely nothing, don't you? Glad that's working out for you.

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2 minutes ago, Ristra said:

There is always the possibility that there was a reason given.  Just because your friend isn't giving a reason doesn't remove the possibility.

Very vague.