GM just banned my friend? WTF mode.

[Maledaar 0]

Hi, I am posting because I decided  you know what, maybe this free server isn't run by a bunch of mavericks, maybe there is a gm that knows what they're talking about, and is genuinely interested in being helpful. Here is my conversation outlined with the gm. He pulls me out of 29 arathi, to gm island. Which is a room with no ceiling, and is a bunch of texture less tiles. One chair. One rat with the guild name (we know more than you think). He proceeds after some questions to suggest I was speed hacking. I was not. I told him I got a mod (for reference not a hack), that's a hunter mod that regulates aspect casting that was made for vanilla wow. What this mod does is regulate casting and uncasting aspect of the cheetah. Afaik, mods are perfectly acceptable, and that the vanilla client was made to use mods. I couldn't find it specifically because the mods packs from elite pvpers are a bundle of vanilla mods, for real like 700 mods in one rar file. I installed every last one of them shortly after hitting level 10 to see what was useful. Mods are not hacks. Most of those mods are shit, so I turned them off. The ones that were useful, I used - such as autopetfeeder, atlasloot, advanced tooltips, bestiary, and the aspect manager. 100% of them use code that already exists in the vanilla game client, and i told him that i got mods for the client,. He asked what other programs i was using, and i said none, because i wasn't. i guess i didn't articulate that very well at the time, because I was nervous having to explain this to a GM, but I did attempt to provide him details without logging out, about what the mod was called, and explained how it works, which is basiclly that whenever an aspect is cast, if not in combat it will cat aspect of the cheetah. If in combat,, it will cast aspect of the monkey, or if uising cheetah and get movement impaired, it will turn on monkey (since cheetah is bad when you're actively fighting). Anyway i told him that. He even said, if i was honest and told him exactly how it worked, he would be lenient. I explained pretty well at the time, and his final reply to me was at least the entire screen of my chat window, but within about 1 second of him posting it, he banned me, so i couldnt read what it said. I do know though, that the worst a GM can do is ban you, so he outright lied by saying if i explined it he would be lenient. HOw is a ban lenient?  I assume he didn't understand it, or maybe i didn't understand that mods are not allowed. But people posting thunderfury over and over, i assume are using atlas loot or something like, and therefore using mods, and not getting banned, so my logic was, mods can be used.  The entire time he approached it as me hacking, so it was clear no matter what interaction I had he was going to ban me, despite saying multiple times, tell me how you did this and I will be lenient. Also,o he said some nonsense about me admitting i was hacking which is a lie. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Maledaar

[void_echo 10]

Why is the same GM who banned him even allowed to handle the case/appeal from then on in the first place? What kind of a system is that?

[Antipatra 0]

3 minutes ago, Maledaar said:

Hi, I am posting because I decided  you know what, maybe this free server isn't run by a bunch of mavericks, maybe there is a gm that k ows what they're talking about. Here is my conversation outlined with the gm. He pulls me out of 29 arathi, to gm island. Which is a room with no ceiling, and is a bunch of texture less tiles. One chair. One rat either the guild name (we know more than you think). He proceeds after some questions to suggest I was speed hacking. I was not. I told him I got a mod (for reference not a havk, but it's a hunter mod that does cool shut like automatically feed your pet, etc) that was made for vanilla wow. What this mod does is regulate casting and uncasting aspect of the cheetah. Afaik, mods are perfectly acceptible. I couldn't find it specifically because the mods packs from elite pvpers and ownedc ore are a bundle of vanilla mods, for real like 700 mods in one rar file. I installed even last one of them. Mods, not havks. Most of those mods are shit, so I turned them off. The ones that were useful, I used. 100% of them use code that already exists in the vanilla game client. I am not so a reticulated a reticulated the time, because I qas nervous, to explain this Theo him  I did attempt their though the ooh provide him a link theooheoo what thr mof was called and explained how it works, which is bsiclly that whenever an aspect is cast, if not in comost it will cat aspect of the cheetah instead. If in vombat, it will cat aspectacular of the monkey instead. Anyway i told hI'm that and in His final reply to me was at least the entire screen of my chat window, but within about 1 second of him posting it, he banned me, I assume he didn't understand it. But mods that use the vanilla game client  again Afaik  are not bannanbe offenses. The entire time he approached it as me hacking, so it was clear no matter what interaction I had he was going to ban me, despite saying mutlie times, tell me how you did this and I will be lenient. 

Damn man, you post that from your phone? Format that shite...

[Maledaar 0]

And fyi, me explaining how my mods actually work, is not an admittance of hacking. That gm and the 2 who he suggests were present as well  clearly don't understand what I was actually trying to say. Because he outright asked me *let's talk about what other programs you are running* I replied petopia and another website  and he sarcastically replied, *yeah, because we pull people in here for that*. He was not prfofessional, lied to me, and banned me for a reason that is not indicative of the facts. He has stated at least 2x that I am aware, that my ban will not be reversed, aware therefore, why the fuck would I bother to appeal ut, when he is being an ignorant as hole on a high horse

[Shiamorah 20]

Well just going to put this out there, there are addons that exist which can result in a ban, depending on their function.

Why did you not screenshot this information? There are multiple GMs testifying against you with logs verifying their claims, and the only proof you have is word of mouth?

[Helzing 7]

What a circus of a thread, kudos to the GM for banning that shitmuncher.

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Just now, Shiamorah said:

Well just going to put this out there, there are addons that exist which can result in a ban, depending on their function.

Why did you not screenshot this information? There are multiple GMs testifying against you with logs verifying their claims, and the only proof you have is word of mouth?

I believe the answer is that he might have done so if the trigger wasn't pulled on him so quickly. But then again, not everyone is going to know what to do when presented with a situation like this.

[Luxon 5]

8 minutes ago, Maledaar said:

Hi, I am posting because I decided  you know what, maybe this free server isn't run by a bunch of mavericks, maybe there is a gm that k ows what they're talking about. Here is my conversation outlined with the gm. He pulls me out of 29 arathi, to gm island. Which is a room with no ceiling, and is a bunch of texture less tiles. One chair. One rat either the guild name (we know more than you think). He proceeds after some questions to suggest I was speed hacking. I was not. I told him I got a mod (for reference not a havk, but it's a hunter mod that does cool shut like automatically feed your pet, etc) that was made for vanilla wow. What this mod does is regulate casting and uncasting aspect of the cheetah. Afaik, mods are perfectly acceptible. I couldn't find it specifically because the mods packs from elite pvpers and ownedc ore are a bundle of vanilla mods, for real like 700 mods in one rar file. I installed even last one of them. Mods, not havks. Most of those mods are shit, so I turned them off. The ones that were useful, I used. 100% of them use code that already exists in the vanilla game client. I am not so a reticulated a reticulated the time, because I qas nervous, to explain this Theo him  I did attempt their though the ooh provide him a link theooheoo what thr mof was called and explained how it works, which is bsiclly that whenever an aspect is cast, if not in comost it will cat aspect of the cheetah instead. If in vombat, it will cat aspectacular of the monkey instead. Anyway i told hI'm that and in His final reply to me was at least the entire screen of my chat window, but within about 1 second of him posting it, he banned me, I assume he didn't understand it. But mods that use the vanilla game client  again Afaik  are not bannanbe offenses. The entire time he approached it as me hacking, so it was clear no matter what interaction I had he was going to ban me, despite saying mutlie times, tell me how you did this and I will be lenient. 

Downloading "modpacks" from elitpvpers and ownedcore and wonder why he gets banned. lmfao

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1 minute ago, Luxon said:

Downloading "modpacks" from elitpvpers and ownedcore and wonder why he gets banned. lmfao

Fill me in. Who are these people? Downloading 700 mods probably isn't the smartest thing to do, but... You are implying that these people are not legit then?

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Shiamorah 20]

2 minutes ago, Luxon said:

Downloading "modpacks" from elitpvpers and ownedcore and wonder why he gets banned. lmfao

This, basically. He downloaded a mod pack from a website that is all about exploits and cheating. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Shiamorah

[Antipatra 0]

4 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

This, basically. He downloaded a mod pack from a website that is all about exploits and cheating. 

There is a difference between ignorance and intention. For one who doesn't visit the forums or follow any particular group of people, how is he supposed to know that this specific group is not legit? Is this an opinion, or a fact that these websites are known for this kind of thing?

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Helzing 7]

1 minute ago, Antipatra said:

There is a difference between ignorance and intention. For one who doesn't visit the forums or follow any particular group of people, how is he supposed to know that this specific group is not legit? Is this an opinion, or a fact that these websites are known for this kind of thing?

In this life not knowing the rules is not an excuse to avoid punishment.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Helzing

[Antipatra 0]

2 minutes ago, Helzing said:

In this life not knowing the rules is not an excuse to avoid punishment.

No where did I say that, numb nuts. I didn't ask for him to be forgiven based on his ignorance of what he downloaded. It was a simple question about whether or not that website is known for this. Answer it or get out.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Shiamorah 20]

5 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

There is a difference between ignorance and intention. For one who doesn't visit the forums or follow any particular group of people, how is he supposed to know that this specific group is not legit? Is this an opinion, or a fact that these websites are known for this kind of thing?

There is a difference between ignorance and intention sure, but breaking rules is breaking rules. If you want to differentiate ignorance and intention, then it can also go to say that anyone who intentionally breaks the rules can feign ignorance.... There are words like exploits, hacks, cheating, all over those websites. The sad part of it is that while some of the cheats work, they are extremely easy to detect and players using them are always caught. Just go look at them yourself, it would be legitimately amazing to go to one and not realize it is about exploits and cheats.

The fact that he downloaded addons from a website dedicated to exploiting, hacking, and cheating world of warcraft private servers is easy enough to know where the blame lies. 

You should have just asked your friend these questions and you would have found the answer yourself, instead of wasting time here only to find out directly from the banned player that he was using bannable exploits. There is a reason he did not make an appeal.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Shiamorah

[Antipatra 0]

Just now, Shiamorah said:

There is a difference between ignorance and intention sure, but breaking rules is breaking rules. If you want to differentiate ignorance and intention, then it can also go to say that anyone who intentionally breaks the rules can feign ignorance.... There are words like exploits, hacks, cheating, all over those websites. The sad part of it is that while some of the cheats work, they are extremely easy to detect and players using them are always caught. 

The fact that he downloaded addons from a website dedicated to exploiting, hacking, and cheating world of warcraft private servers is easy enough to know where the blame lies. 

You should have just asked your friend these questions and you would have found the answer yourself, instead of wasting time here only to find out directly from the banned player that he was using bannable exploits.

It passed the time.

If you knew him, it's unlikely you would make the same claim. Yeah, he made a mistake, but it certainly wasn't intentional.

[Shiamorah 20]

2 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

It passed the time.

If you knew him, it's unlikely you would make the same claim. Yeah, he made a mistake, but it certainly wasn't intentional.

Accounts that are hacked and used by gold traders are also banned. The player whose account was hacked was not at fault besides having poor security, but the account is banned nonetheless. They are allowed to create a new account, because IP bans are uncommon. But they are at fault at the bottom line. This is no different with your friend. He can make a new account, but it is unacceptable to allow an account that has been proven to exploit cheats to go on unpunished.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Shiamorah

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1 minute ago, Shiamorah said:

Accounts that are hacked and used by gold buyers are also banned. The player whose account was hacked was not at fault besides having poor security, but the account is banned nonetheless. They are allowed to create a new account, because IP bans are uncommon. But they are at fault at the bottom line. This is no different with your friend. He can make a new account, but it is unacceptable to allow an account that has been proven to exploit cheats to go on unpunished.

True enough, I suppose. Though hacked accounts, in retail, were typically recovered and returned to the owner after restoration. It's not necessarily the same thing, but I do get the point.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Helzing 7]

14 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

There is a difference between ignorance and intention. For one who doesn't visit the forums or follow any particular group of people, how is he supposed to know that this specific group is not legit?

 

10 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

No where did I say that, numb nuts. I didn't ask for him to be forgiven based on his ignorance of what he downloaded. It was a simple question about whether or not that website is known for this. Answer it or get out.

Well judging by what you posted first it seems that you think that because he didn't knew he doesn't deserve the ban(also i assume this by the way you continue to shitpost), it doesn't fucking matter if he knew or not he broke the rules period, both you and your friend are dumbfucks hahaha just look at what he said "for reference not a havk, but it's a hunter mod that does cool shut like automatically feed your pet, etc" if you need an addon to feed your pet you need to quit this 12 year old game lol "What this mod does is regulate casting and uncasting aspect of the cheetah" kek needs an addon to manage aspect of the cheetah, LMAO good riddance that he got banned, he wont be a burden to his battleground mates anymore

Edited January 27, 2017 by Helzing

[Shiamorah 20]

1 minute ago, Antipatra said:

True enough, I suppose. Though hacked accounts, in retail, were typically recovered and returned to the owner after restoration. It's not necessarily the same thing, but I do get the point.

But it can be said that through the use of these exploits, he gained an unfair advantage over other players, through both PvP and leveling. Even if the staff here were incredibly lenient, the character would need to be deleted no matter what. The policy of allowing ignorance is just not tolerable. It would mean anyone could download an addon pack like this, exploit it and take advantage of it, and then get warned and stop. Can you imagine thousands of players using the same exploits your friend was? 

The staff do what they do for good reason.

[void_echo 10]

Am I missing something? What exploits is everyone talking about now, when all the player in question mentioned were addons?

[Antipatra 0]

10 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

But it can be said that through the use of these exploits, he gained an unfair advantage over other players, through both PvP and leveling. Even if the staff here were incredibly lenient, the character would need to be deleted no matter what. The policy of allowing ignorance is just not tolerable. It would mean anyone could download an addon pack like this, exploit it and take advantage of it, and then get warned and stop. Can you imagine thousands of players using the same exploits your friend was? 

The staff do what they do for good reason.

You are making the assumption that he used actual exploits and not simple UI addons like the ones he mentioned. Pet feed. Regulate Aspects. Whatever. He had mentioned the Pet Feed to me in Steam Chat before, so I knew he was at least using that.

I have looked at both elitepvpers and ownedcore. elitepvpers could maybe have been given a pass, but ownedcore is straight up and mostly exploits. Even if he didn't use anything from there, just mentioning the site might have been the final nail in the coffin.

I'm inclined to agree that downloading a mod pack of 700 mods without knowing what exactly was in it before installing them all was a very foolish thing to do. Not even an argument. Whether or not he used anything that was against the rules though... well, that is probably not worth the effort considering they were already installed.

I don't think there is much of anything that can be done, so I don't see much point carrying this on having received this information.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Luxon 5]

Glad it turned out this way cause if you take this "to the internet" then elysium rest in pepperonis

[Antipatra 0]

4 minutes ago, Luxon said:

Glad it turned out this way cause if you take this "to the internet" then elysium rest in pepperonis

I am not unreasonable. The story that was given to me implied wrongdoing on the part of the GM, and may yet still. I can see now where the mistakes were made. It would have certainly been useful to have had certain information from the start, but it didn't come until later.

There are some questions left unanswered, but I find little there worth pursuing.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Revo 34]

haha ha

going to own3d core and elitepvpers for addons is a stupid idea. its like going to the "islamic state" to buy a bottle of water.

and he did most likely not get banned for the aspect-addon/macro, which is pretty simple. maybe he purchased some other fluids there as well :)

this thread is nearly as good as the last one. just missing the GM to completely embarass OP, tho its already pretty damn embarassing, lmao

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1 minute ago, Revo said:

this thread is nearly as good as the last one. just missing the GM to completely embarass OP, tho its already pretty damn embarassing, lmao

Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing how many times you got handled and tooled like a child. A cat pawing an oblivious rodent. You were pretty entertaining meat to say the least.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra