ELY>ZK limited transfer discussion.

[smokeit 26]

Hello, I've been playing on the ZK realm since a few days after its release and I am having a great time! Got a great guild, clearing content, life is good.

In the early days we had 5-6k people on at peak times (ofc this happens with early hype) and this slowly fell to a 3-4k at peak times. That 3-4k spot seems like the best spot for me personally (time to find a grp, world pvp, how crowded areas are etc etc).

The last two weeks ZK is running between 1500-2.5k players at peaktime, but usually below 2k. This is still plenty of people, though things like pugging and random bg's etc suffer a bit under this. Don't get me wrong, the world feels full and fine, original retail servers were capped at 2.5k if I am correct.

I am not demanding anything, I want to have a nice discussion and thoughts about this in this thread. But personally I think it would be nice to have a limited transfer from Elysium to the Zeth'Kur realm, Elysium is a bit too crowded I can see from certain posts and theres usually 4x more online on ELY than ZK, and Zeth'Kur could use a tiny bit of extra life.

First of all, what do you guys think/feel? As a ZK player, do you feel the population is fine now? Or maybe could use a boost?
As an Elysium player, do you feel the population is fine now? Or rather have it lower a bit?

Second, how would you guys like a transfer to happen?
I personally think of; A maximum of 1000, 1500 or 2000 active accounts.

There could be extra limitations like between certain levels, 50/50% horde/ally, idk. I'd love to discuss this all with you people!

And if most people are like 'f this things are fine as they are', we will notice fast enough in the comments :).

If it stays like it is I'm happy, If it changes I'm happy. I don't mind both results :).

[smokeit 26]

Bumpadump

[Bocephus 1]

This topic has been exhausted so many times - why continue to bring it up? I understanding wanting to have a conversation, but there's plenty of other threads with the discussion that normally lead to disruptive, negative behavior between players of both realms.

Whatever the fate of Zeth'Kur is (if there's even one) will be decided by the Elysium Staff whenever it needs to be made.

[Cephei 8]

No

ZK can just merge into Elysium if their pop gets below sustainable numbers

[OhpElysium 3]

It's an interesting debate because ZK requires people to donate for server expenses. We could save expenses by merging into one server. 

 

But that negates the idea of leaving Elysium because of it being overcrowded. 

I don't see anything wrong with character transfers. Except that it requires staff labor time, and for that the staff should be compensated. 

Otherwise whomever wants to play on ZK can create a character. 

[Into 3]

I'm a former Elysium player and current Zeth'Kur player. I am AGAINST transfers. If people find Elysium to be an overcrowded cesspool like I did it's not so hard to re-roll on Zeth'Kur, again like I did.

Kind of the founding principle of Z'K and to a lesser extent Elysium is that there are to be no transfers, ever. This ensures that Z'K is a place where you had to earn everything you've got, right here, and that you've done so since late January 2017. If there were transfers offered, I'd say make the level cap at 30. Definitely no transfers of max-level characters. 

Z'K had 3000-3500 people on all this past weekend, and has 2500 on right at this instant. That's as many or more than were ever on any retail Vanilla server at any point in 2004-2006. If anything, the numbers should slightly rise instead of fall over time, as people bring their friends into the game. Numbers may also increase a bit as more players come to realize that Elysium is grossly overloaded and that Anathema is too far "progressed" (raiding since early 2015) meaning that many players of the opposite faction will be loaded down in purples as they kill you effortlessly when you hit 60.

Finally, I don't think the finances will be an issue. I'm going to be donating a small amount to Z'K on a monthly basis as soon as I can figure out how, and I'm likely to co-found a guild and encourage the guild to do the same. I don't think it's hard for ~7000 active players (3000 at most online at a given moment) to raise $400 a month.

That's $0.05 monthly per person. Or more realistically, it's ~100 people donating $3 a month without ever having to buy an expansion. Heck, it would only take 20 people paying the same $15 they paid in Vanilla. Or 40 people giving themselves a 50% discount.

[Futi 0]

This is a dumb idea.

people playing on elyseum play it for the high pop. You want to take it from them? The thing is zk opening lowered the amount of people playing on ely by 2/4k.... and they only opened it because of the initial hype.  

Now its just a useless realm that splits the community. Well not useless ofc but considering the numbers.

[Into 3]

9 minutes ago, Futi said:

This is a dumb idea.

people playing on elyseum play it for the high pop. You want to take it from them? The thing is zk opening lowered the amount of people playing on ely by 2/4k.... and they only opened it because of the initial hype.  

Now its just a useless realm that splits the community. Well not useless ofc but considering the numbers.

Z'K is Blizz-like. Elysium is a clown realm. Z'K is as big as any realm in the world was during Vanilla. It's hilarious that young'ns and noobs who presumably never played retail Vanilla think it's somehow underpopulated or useless. Z'K is as the game was intended. Elysium is not.

Of course, I think we're on the same side: no transfers.

But seriously? A transfer doesn't take someone away from the origination realm. It's purely voluntary. But it takes a lot from Z'K (a nice polite Blizz-like population only to be overrun by an endless stream of clowns).

Edited February 27, 2017 by Into
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[TgBadboys 0]

When you add in the clear 30% or so are botting NO it is not blizz like. Sure there are people on but 30% don't respond at all plus we are dropping into a Mid size server with 30+ days after launch. If your not bright enough to see what's going on please don't post some random "Things are fine the way they are" cause you must not know or not care really.

[Playtime 0]

The ZK server pop might be blizzlike but having players from the whole world on one server isnt blizzlike, like it said in one of the other threads about merging the early morning hours / oceanic evenings there isnt enough players to raid and pvp queues are 45+ mins.

I have rerolled on Elysium because of this. Zeth'kur is a great realm with a healthy population if you play on na or eu primetime.

[Into 3]

6 hours ago, TgBadboys said:

If your not bright enough to see

Quoted for irony
 

1 hour ago, Brightside said:

Zeth'kur is a great realm with a healthy population if you play on na or eu primetime.

True, I am in NA and it has a healthy pop at all times I play. EU is likely even better. I can see that in Oceania the population would not be ideal. But neither would the latency. You should really have your own private Vanilla server in Australia.

[Genezer 0]

4 hours ago, Into said:

Quoted for irony
 

True, I am in NA and it has a healthy pop at all times I play. EU is likely even better. I can see that in Oceania the population would not be ideal. But neither would the latency. You should really have your own private Vanilla server in Australia.

 

As Brightside has pointed out, it's not Blizz-like at all.

Blizzard servers were around 2.5k in ONE REGION.

Zyk is worldwide, which means populations are low.

You have obviously not played on Elysium in a while as since the initial launch, Elysium is fine now.  People are spread out level wise, not much fighting for quest items, its all good.  Sure, be careful questing in contested zones because the server is full, but that's part of the fun of PVP!

I can always get into a BG, I can always find a dungeon, I've had zero server queues and the Auction House is very active.

[Into 3]

3 hours ago, Genezer said:

As Brightside has pointed out, it's not Blizz-like at all.

Blizzard servers were around 2.5k in ONE REGION.

Zyk is worldwide, which means populations are low.

Nope. This is wrong. Here's why.
The peak population on retail Vanilla realms was limited to 2500 at once. Z'K has 3000+ online at once all weekend. Those were the highest populated retail Vanilla realms, and Z'K surpasses that today.
Being worldwide is an advantage, because those same highly populated retail Vanilla realms would bottom out at 600-700 overnight after peaking at 2500. Z'K "bottoms out" at more like 1300-1500 even at the least popular time in the middle of the EU/NA night mid-week.
TL;DR: Z'K is larger than Blizzlike because it is global and not regional. Not smaller.

[Into 3]

3 hours ago, Genezer said:

As Brightside has pointed out, it's not Blizz-like at all.

Blizzard servers were around 2.5k in ONE REGION.

Zyk is worldwide, which means populations are low.

Nope. This is wrong. Here's why.
The peak population on retail Vanilla realms was limited to 2500 at once. Z'K has 3000+ online at once all weekend. Those were the highest populated retail Vanilla realms, and Z'K surpasses that today. Being worldwide is an advantage, because those same retail Vanilla realms would bottom out at 600-700 overnight after peaking at 2500. Z'K "bottoms out" at more like 1300-1500 even at the least popular time in the middle of the EU/NA night mid-week.

TL;DR: Z'K is larger than Blizzlike because the population is the same or higher at peak, and much higher at the lows.

[smokeit 26]

21 hours ago, Into said:

Z'K had 3000-3500 people on all this past weekend,

I played EU primetimes this weekend and I did not see these numbers, 2700 at max for a hour or 2, guess ZK is more NA peaked?

[Into 3]

5 minutes ago, smokeit said:

I played EU primetimes this weekend and I did not see these numbers, 2700 at max for a hour or 2, guess ZK is more NA peaked?

Not sure. These realms in general are more EU populated, or so I thought. It was above 3000 for the entirety of Saturday afternoon to evening as I recall, so EU night to late, late night. But I really only hit /who a few times. (And even 2700 is more than was ever allowed on a retail Vanilla realm at the same time, so still slightly more populated than Blizzlike.) As we speak there are 2036 people on, and it's a weekday morning in NA (8 AM in Los Angeles, 11 AM here in NYC, 4 PM in London) when everyone is at work. That's wayyyy more than would ever have been on retail Vanilla on a weekday at launch or at any other time during the original 2004-2006 run.

Edited February 28, 2017 by Into

[Aladya 0]

Stop saying that Zeth is blizz-like & all that stuff. It used to be but will be no longer in few weeks.

[Into 3]

2 hours ago, Aladya said:

Stop saying that Zeth is blizz-like & all that stuff. It used to be but will be no longer in few weeks.

Nice try, but...

The graph is exactly the same for all retail Vanilla realms at launch, i.e. all realms were overloaded at launch and then settled into stability. Note that if you took the graph from February 16 to March 1 (last two weeks) the population has not declined all, which is actually unusual for any realm so soon after launch. And again, there are more people on Zeth'Kur than Blizz-like. Not fewer.

This graph is also likely the same for Elysium and Anathema, which is why you didn't post those... the only difference being that Elysium had an enormous queue in the beginning, limiting the amount of overload they could have then. In fact, the recent "controversies" have likely taken from Anathema more than from Z'K, where people are relatively happy in comparison.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Into

[Into 3]

By the way: where did you get that graph? Did you make it yourself?

And to be clear about what is "Blizzlike," the maximum number of characters on Blizzard vanilla realms was 2500. Your graph shows 2700 for Zeth'Kur last night on a Tuesday. The minimum number on those maxx-ed out realms was usually around 700. Your graph shows Zeth'Kur bottoming out at 1000.

Those were the huge realms that Zeth'Kur is bigger than. I played on a small realm throughout my retail experience. Through TBC and WOTLK (quit just before Cata) my realm was Lethon. That realm would also be considered "Blizzlike" since it was, well, an official Blizzard realm. The max population at peaks there was 1300 or so. The minimum was around 450. This was at its glory-days peak in WOTLK. It had fewer people in all other expansions.

In other words, Zeth'Kur today is exactly twice as large as the Blizzard server I played on for years, and it's slightly larger than the biggest Blizz server in Vanilla.

Anathema is not Blizzlike, it is Nost-like. Elysium is a cesspool that is like nothing before. Zeth'Kur is clearly Blizzlike, and it's the only PVP realm here that is. (Darrowshire is also Blizzlike for PVE.)

Edited March 1, 2017 by Into

[Aladya 0]

Just to be clear, there is nothing related to 'why you didn't post another realms graph'. I play on Zeth so obv I'll be concerned about it. And it's clear that problem is here is not about the population but the stability. If I can forsee the future & tell it will be stable beween 1-2k I wouldn't have posted this but I can't. Zeth is the server who lost the most in terms of pop due to the hype until now. So I presume if it will continue this way for one month, maybe something needs to be done, in a good way.

You can clearly see the decrease in pop is much more in Zeth than Anath. It may be nearly equal to Elys but Elys won't die from 2-3k loss. While on this rythm, a month later of decrease, Zeth will have < 1.5k players.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Aladya

[Into 3]

6 hours ago, Aladya said:

Just to be clear, there is nothing related to 'why you didn't post another realms graph'. I play on Zeth so obv I'll be concerned about it. And it's clear that problem is here is not about the population but the stability. If I can forsee the future & tell it will be stable beween 1-2k I wouldn't have posted this but I can't. Zeth is the server who lost the most in terms of pop due to the hype until now. So I presume if it will continue this way for one month, maybe something needs to be done, in a good way.

You can clearly see the decrease in pop is much more in Zeth than Anath. It may be nearly equal to Elys but Elys won't die from 2-3k loss. While on this rythm, a month later of decrease, Zeth will have < 1.5k players.

Anathema has had the same percentage drop (6K average to 3.5K average) as Zeth'Kur (3.2K average to 2K average) actually, and like I said the queues limiting Elysium to an artificially "low" number at the beginning as people waited to log on just slightly limited their decrease.

Again, THERE IS NO DECREASE IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS and Zeth'Kur has reached stability in its population exactly as have the other realms (although Anathema will eventually hemorrhage people if AQ doesn't get going soon).

You still didn't say where you got the graphs.

[Reddakh 4]

5 hours ago, Into said:

THERE IS NO DECREASE IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS and Zeth'Kur has reached stability

 

[Into 3]

Zeth'Kur also doesn't seem to go down when Elysium and Anathema go down. This keeps happening in the past week, so I screenshotted the last one today. 

[TTL 6]

Targeted DDOS attacks... if lots of people start playing on Zeth'Kur they'll probably target those.

Would love to transfer my guild there but forcing 40 people to reroll isn't really an option.. nor was it the 2nd or 3rd week of Elysium launch when we were in our 20 and 30s. Not offering transfers in the first place was a huge disappointment for those of us stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Edited March 2, 2017 by TTL

[Finalflash 2]

everyone with a brain knew that zeth was doa and a complete meme server