When do you replace Ironfoe + Felstriker as warrior?

[Trym 1]

From my understanding Ironfoe and felstriker is great at the start of vanilla but falls behind when you get better gear. Also they both don't have alot of proc chance. With buffs later on Ironfoe will still do good dmg but the procs  will just give me more rage to spam heroic strike while a weapon like (updated)Vis'kag will give some rage because of the higher dps and make bloodthirst and WW hit harder.

Because Im human I thought the process would look like this:

CTS > Vis'kag?>ironfoe

Maladath>felstriker

If this have been posted before with any conclusion of what way is the best please let me know.

[Nelythia 44]

Why would you spam heroic strike as DPS?

You'll just pull aggro over and over again

[Trym 1]

sorry for useing the word "spam", what I mean is that the extra rage will probably not be used for anything but HS & execute as you already get enough rage for BS and WW with other weapons that have alot  more dmg. I just want to know when to replace it

[Storfan 24]

8 hours ago, Trym said:

From my understanding Ironfoe and felstriker is great at the start of vanilla but falls behind when you get better gear. Also they both don't have alot of proc chance. With buffs later on Ironfoe will still do good dmg but the procs  will just give me more rage to spam heroic strike while a weapon like (updated)Vis'kag will give some rage because of the higher dps and make bloodthirst and WW hit harder.

Because Im human I thought the process would look like this:

CTS > Vis'kag?>ironfoe

Maladath>felstriker

If this have been posted before with any conclusion of what way is the best please let me know.

I havnt tested felstriker on this server as I dont have it but from what other warriors have told me its basically better than all pre-raid blues but worse than all raid-epics. When it comes to Ironfoe it's still VERY powerful and blast most competition out of the water (especially with worldbuffs).

 

5 hours ago, ygvtfc said:

On this server? When you get 2x dalrends.

You're not on Kronos, the proc rate is real here. Viskag is 100% replacement and I'd advise never using felstriker as a warrior period.

Wrong. Ironfoe, even in its nerfed 5%-proc-state is ALOT more powerful than dalrends-set, infact it rivals most BWL weapons.

source: Have Ironfoe, tested alot, etc etc.

[birday 1]

Ironfoe is okay with full world buffs (near CTS i would say), but without it's trash because a) damage sucks and thus b) you are raged starved.

[Storfan 24]

42 minutes ago, birday said:

Ironfoe is okay with full world buffs (near CTS i would say), but without it's trash because a) damage sucks and thus b) you are raged starved.

Rage starvation and Ironfoe does not fit into the same sentence.

 

MY SIDES!

[birday 1]

It does. Unless you got BiS gear, rage is a huge problem without world buffs..especially with ironfoes low weapon damage. Okay if you got a procc you get some rage, but otherwise it's a problem.

Edited March 3, 2017 by birday

[Haestingas 30]

Dude even at 5% its still a 10% white dmg modifier, ergo 10% more rage generation.

 

That being said viskag and CTS are the same thing for a warrior for dps. The viskag proc generates rage + uses your phy crit for the proc crit. I used it for a couple of raids and the proc came out to ~6dps according to DPSmate, and that's not including the extra dmg I did from the rage generated. Keep in mind this is horde side with WF so the proc will be a bit weaker for ally.

[Trym 1]

Is this super simpel math right on a 5min(300s) fight with 3%(eddit, should be 5% but still big diffrence) IronFoe proc chance?{

300s/2,4(weapon speed) = 125 swings

125*0.03(proc chance) = 3,75(let's say 3,50 to keep it even)

3,50 * 2(swings from procs) = 7 total extra swings

If you would use spells on CD like WW and BS it would be 12 extra swings instead, wich is not alot.

300s * 43.5(IF dps) + 7 * 43.5 = 13 356 dmg/5min

13 356 / 30 = 445 rage per 5 min

Result on a 5 min fight:

13 356 dmg

445 rage

}

Viskag(updated){

300s * 55.2(dps) = 16 560 dmg

16 560 / 30 =  552 Rage

}

Proc = don't know the proc rate but viskag would win anyway

Viskag winns by far, if you want the same dps with ironfoe you would need 33 more procs. For that you would need to get more swings, you would need use spells for that, about 1100/ spells more for 33 procs in 5 min.

This is super simpel I don't calc weapon top dmg, gear, crit,hit and flurry or execute spaming

also, if I would hit for 45 twice in a row, would I get 2 or 3 rage?

Maybe im totaly off or you can't do the math this way, let me know! :)

Edited March 3, 2017 by Trym
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