New ToU

[SpottedCow 2]

Since the new ToU calls forceflagging people on world bosses griefing, looks like we're going to see some horde getting banned tomorrow.  Enjoy your vacation, boys.

[Dizeliun 0]

As seen HERE The majority voted on B), stating:

"On the PvE server, the only action that is allowed is engaging players who are already flagged for PvP. Any action taken to reset the boss would be considered griefing."

Thus, no griefing took place...

 

Regarding the ToU:

"Intentionally interrupting or negatively influencing a raid group that is currently engaged in ANY world boss encounter on the PvE realm with either faction characters;"

It looked to me that you guys intentionally interrupted your own attempt by flagging your entire raid as PVP for no reason.

You were the ones that negatively influenced your own raid.

 

P.S.

It's funny how you try and report a group for "griefing" and then turn around and "grief" other groups once yours failed.

[Zeeya 1]

7 hours ago, Dizeliun said:

As seen HERE The majority voted on B), stating:

"On the PvE server, the only action that is allowed is engaging players who are already flagged for PvP. Any action taken to reset the boss would be considered griefing."

Thus, no griefing took place...

 

Regarding the ToU:

"Intentionally interrupting or negatively influencing a raid group that is currently engaged in ANY world boss encounter on the PvE realm with either faction characters;"

It looked to me that you guys intentionally interrupted your own attempt by flagging your entire raid as PVP for no reason.

You were the ones that negatively influenced your own raid.

 

P.S.

It's funny how you try and report a group for "griefing" and then turn around and "grief" other groups once yours failed.

First, sure it's okay to kill pvp flagged players. But when engaging the boss, we didnt have pvp flagged players in the raid. People got chain flagged because of bug abuse. I don't know who made this screenshot but it shows you my point: Several flagged horde players jumped into the boss and forceflagged melee. Then every single horde went into bloodrage and killed everyone and everything flagged, resulting in a wipe for our group.

Second, when you were engaging the boss, your whole raid was pvp flagged because of the bloodrage that happened. You went for the boss, knowing you can and will be attacked by alliance players. So it's okay for you to kill people who were forceflagged by bug abuse and griefing, but it's not okay to be killed when you KNOW that you are flagged and still go for the boss?

 

As you can see, alliance went for the boss and got forceflagged, which is apparently not allowed, and then killed.

[Erida 0]

Alright boys lets talk about the situation for a little bit shall we?!
    The reason why I love vanilla its mostly because of the community, it seems everyone works together for bigger porpuses.
        I loved the nostalrius community as I love the elysium community! However in both of them there was always a major turndown for me,
which was the fact that hordes enjoyed so much breaking ToU or ToS whatever the hell you wanna call the rules your supposed to run by! And
they do it in the most gamebreaking ways sucking the fun out of content in this game! I mean I don't care if you multi box because you want
2 60's in the time it would take you to get 1 I seriously don't care! I do care tho if I want to get a flag back while pvp'ing and your standing
on a wall 30 yards above me which isn't a "legit" platform for you to stand on and shoot me 3000 frostbolts! I don't care if you snipe or dodge
people in bg's always happened even in retail  NO ONE CARES... well some butthurts will. I do however care if someone got a tagg or started doing
a quest that can be griefed and you grief it. In the case that's most recent(08-04-2017 Azuregos kill) You forced flagged people into Pvp on
"A FUCKING PVE SERVER!!!!" I'm sorry for the caps and the "Fucking" but you get the point. Ask yourself why do people play on pve?Because they can't
be bothered with the world pvp or how unbalanced vanilla pvp is!Simple as that, nobody on a pve server should ever be forced into pvp, especially not
by some random ass Horde who thinks he is entitled to decide wether or not you will get your ass raped.
    I've had some screenshots with me of Horde Negative influence in the community I never really wanted to share it mostly because I thought
it would only bring in more negative influence in the community, but at this point I think its important for us to start picking on this disrepectful
pricks who ruin a game that is being brought to us for free just so we can enjoy it and remember the good times of WoW.

To the alliance players that also do this kind of stuff, you deserve no respect! and I will report you just aswell as I will report the Horde ones!

To the Horde's reading please do not participate on this kind of stupidity anymore. I know you might think its fun to rape someone just because you can
however that should never be your motivation!

To the Gm's that read this please take action, please show anyone who does this actions will no longer be tolerated!
 

PS: If you have anymore incriminating document on whoever it is please do post it below ! Lets start a hunt to get rid of everyone that breaks the game and the community!

[Roxy 8]

Horde is the ones screaming loudest of all when something happens to their world boss attempts, yet they are the ones who try to abuse every single time.

When Elysium proposed a change in rules so that you had to be PvP enabled to do anything when the opposite faction had a tag, horde cried out loud against any kind of change that could give alliance a chance to interfere with their attempts.

But who is it that continously interfere with world bosses? Yes, it is horde, every single time alliance gets a tag, there is horde running in to our raids attempting to flag some unfortunate rogue with blade fury on, or a warrior clicking whirlwind. This can of course be avoided by simply not using such abilities, but it shouldnt have to be like that, since the rules on a PvE server forbids this kind of behaviour. 

The rules on world bosses is so vague and horde tries to find loopholes, not only with the purpose of interfering the alliance attempts, but in order to get our raid members banned for simply being present at the time of a world boss spawn, to scare us away from contesting.

On kazzak, some of the horde was flagged for pvp, and one of the alliance rogues attempted to kill the one flagged, he failed at it, and died so he healed kazzak, and now the GM's say it is against the rules to attack flagged people on kazzak if you don't manage to kill your target. but if you kill him it is allowed. what kind of rules is this? GM's are making up rules on the go making it impossible to know what is and what's not allowed anymore. Alliance being terrified of attempting this in fear of being banned for silly and unblizzlike rulemaking.

 

There is only 2 ways of stopping this 

1: Make world bosses a free for all do what you want as long as you are PvP flagged (which was the proposed rules which got stomped on by horde)

2: Make it so that any kind of interfering on world bosses sanctionable, even if the entire alliance raid is pvp flagged it is against the rules to attack them if they got the tag on a world boss. (which i think is actually what the rules we got now is supposed to say, but GM's being unconsistent about how to enforce it)

 

 

[Gunari 3]

Cmon ban hammer!!!

[Aderlass 1]

I wasn't present at the time of the spawn, but I hope something will be done in regard to this.

Force flagging is against the rules and should be sanctioned harshly.

[Luxon 5]

Rules cannot be enforced unless there is a GM attending every world boss. Horde abusing the system cause they know worst case scenario is that some of their alts get a bann and/or get loot revoked, but good luck associating those characters with the guild who took it down. Not really surprised this is happening, people should have voted for the pvp option instead of this chaos. 

Little cherry on top is GMs asking for footage etc to even take action, people need to record this shit from multipe povs to get the offenders punished... not that it helps anyone since the chance to get kill/loot is already gone at that point. 

Enforce your own stupid rules or no rules at all

[Aderlass 1]

As long as force flagging is possible the current rules are a joke, nothing more.

[Gnomz 0]

Well we have send clear video evidence of Horde player trying to force flag the melee, just waiting for them to look at it. Hopefully they will make an example out of this, and people start thinking twice about how to behave in the future at world bosses.

[Hamblin 0]

Locking this thread for now.