We may lose Multiple ranks of the same Judgement mechanic

[kingRat 1]

1 minute ago, killerduki said:

Made in Crestfall.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Irrelevant to the argument.

Duki seems to be the only one mentioning "Crestfall" in any capacity in this whole threads' existence. 

You should spend all this energy on finding some proof to your claims instead of huffing and puffing about the evil "crestfall, a project which has nothing to do with the current situation, you might even find some results or more importantly, find out you are wrong and learn some humility.

 

//kind regards and keep looking

[Imbaslap 14]

5 minutes ago, killerduki said:

We all can see our Contributor in this list.

 

No wonder why this project is becoming Crestfall Meme project.

/Kind regards Killerduki

according to your logic, prismcharm worked as intended due to 0 evidence showing it shouldn't persist past its duration.

 

[kingRat 1]

6 minutes ago, Imbaslap said:

according to your logic, prismcharm worked as intended due to 0 evidence showing it shouldn't persist past its duration.

 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

 

Repeat the mantra until your brain melts and you can get on the level of thought process of these two goons.

/kind regards, mantra master

[Theloras 108]

42 minutes ago, Patchi said:

They are referencing the source code of the addons that would take mechanics into account as to why they functioned the way they do in a situation, so an addon codded for vanilla, would use the original blizzard mechanics to function, making them able to reverse engineer the addon to figure out the blizzlike function.

But you're just showing how ignorant you really are by continuing to argue a point which holds no water.

I have no beef with you Patchi but it looks like you need a refresher course on how the Crestfall $hitters used the actual WoW game CD/DVD source code to try and "PROOVE" their theory that Holy Resistance existed.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Snawfu...

Re: Crestfall - 1x progressive Vanilla server

by snawfu » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:32 pm 

Bearier wrote:Just an FYI:

According to Darkrasp, it's not the TrinityCore or any server-side stuff they're using that he claims has this logic in it. It's the actual client that all players are using, which is why they aren't changing it. That's what he claims, anyway. I remember reading it in the Paladin thread when he was arguing with Duki. I'll check it later to find where he said that and provide a source. (I'm at work right now and their forum is blocked)

http://imgur.com/a/OpfI3
@duki this is how you dump pictures btw.

So I've just done this. Instead of Pottu's uninformed post, this is actual research (originally by Crestfall team) and facts, not wowwiki articles that can be edited by anyone (which are based on the player's interpretation of how things worked in 2006).

This is the second to last post (last post will be on the Elysium open bugtracker to make sure you lads get it right) I'm making on the subject, there is no way to argue against the actual game files that I've just opened for you to read; keep in mind you can do this as well with your own WOW installation in case you think I'm faking a WOW installation and have inserted things into the game files to prove a point (lmao).

http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43506&p=317346&hilit=snawfu#p317323

TLDR - The source code and any addon on top of that will only get you so far when it comes to Paladin spells/abilities during Vanilla due to the server override to remove Holy Resistance or Seal of Righteousness being coded on the server not the client for example:

Seal of Righteousness
Rank 8
200 mana
Instant
Fills the Paladin with holy spirit for 30 sec, granting each melee attack an additional 20.528735632184 to 71.44 Holy damage. Slower weapons cause more Holy damage per swing. Only one Seal can be active on the Paladin at any one time.

Unleashing this Seal's energy will cause 162 to 179 Holy damage to an enemy.

Effect #1(6) Apply Aura #4: Dummy 
Value: 1786

Effect #2(6) Apply Aura #4: Dummy 
Value: 20286

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=20293

[Theloras 108]

9 minutes ago, Imbaslap said:

according to your logic, prismcharm worked as intended due to 0 evidence showing it shouldn't persist past its duration.

 

like holy resistance? 

[Imbaslap 14]

Just now, Theloras said:

like holy resistance? 

like multi-rank judgements?

[Theloras 108]

2 minutes ago, Imbaslap said:

like multi-rank judgements?

the difference between the two is that I found a vanilla source for multi rank judgements

you guys used your own anti-paladin and anti-me + anti-duki bias to cloud your judgement (pun intended) when it came to holy resistance

plus you're a habitual liar - that github thread was just the latest example where you said that this was considered a bug back on nost

TLDR - it wasn't a bug on nost and I got the green light from Nano to use it

[lel 0]

@killerduki @Theloras yes, acutally u r wrong.

[Patchi 4]

Theoloras, I'll try to say this as honestly, and as non negatively as I can. I am not a Crestfall person, nor do I have any input or knowledge of anything that goes on there. I do not care about holy resistance or how it should work at all. Granted there is a resist coefficient for every other spell type in the game, but I don't know if Holy was ever thought of to implement, as I can't see them implementing holy resistance, but not making the drakenoids in BWL not have a holy vulnerability, if they indeed made holy a spell damage with its own coefficient. To that point, in my opinion, without doing any research, which I haven't, I honestly don't care, as it brings no value to this topic of conversation. 

It's like saying someone that robbed a bank, would never do something nice for someone, or something to that extent.

On the topic of the multiple stack judgement, there is no evidence that it did indeed stack, or that it should stack, other than a forum post from a person saying he saw it stay, and then two posts later saying they changed it to where it didn't. But using Debuff logic, and compared to every other debuff mechanic in the game, you can not stack multiple ranks of a debuff on a target. Debuffs like CoE, CoR, CoS, Winters Chill, and several others that would be working in the same way, if it was intended.

But, my issue is how Duki is going about his argument, he's not validating his argument at all, and by trying to invalidate another argument about a completely different topic, just goes to devalue anything he says at all. If there's a passion about this tpoic, which there seems to be in abundance, then go, do the research, and PROVE your argument as valid, rather than trying to invalidate others, validate yourself.

[Theloras 108]

you know what guys - now it all makes sense

[Imbaslap 14]

 

 

those 3 people fixed the most on Elysium including holy resistance tyvm

 

[killerduki 54]

3 minutes ago, Theloras said:

you know what guys - now it all makes sense

All of the Testers, contributors we have in this project are all former exploiters caught with evidence.

No wonder why they deny evidence based on "Assumptions" and "Own Believes" instead of proper confirmed counter evidence given.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Ram 11]

1 hour ago, Hudson said:

If this mechanic existed, surely you can find a single video showing two Judgements of Light on the same mob?

I am neither on the side of duki nor on yours but see my last post on page 1 of this thread. Actually dukis evidence is stronger than some people finding reasons why they want to fix it. OK, the TBC source says the visual bug was removed, so at some point it must have been changed to one judgement of the same kind only.  That makes perfectly sense. But since you have no evidence WHEN it was changed, why would you change it? There were many weird things in vanilla which got changed a few time. If you call yourself a progressive realm, you should also leave mechanics as they seem to have been at some point in time like they were, until you have proof when it should be changed. There are plenty oft bug reports in your bug tracker which refer to one citation and they get fixed based on that evidence. Here you also have evidence but for some reason you totally want to change it.

 

Is this a everyone vs duki fight or what? Come on, you cannot be serious! 

[Patchi 4]

Trying to invalidate others, does not validate yourself. 

[Imbaslap 14]

3 hours ago, killerduki said:

All of the Testers, contributors we have in this project are all former exploiters caught with evidence.

No wonder why they deny evidence based on "Assumptions" and "Own Believes" instead of proper confirmed counter evidence given.

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/OptimisticIntelligentArmadilloRickroll

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/144166176

"We're missing 1 rank of judgement of light"

Edited May 23, 2017 by Hudson

[kingRat 1]

Just now, Theloras said:

the difference between the two is that I found a vanilla source for multi rank judgements

you guys used your own anti-paladin and anti-me + anti-duki bias to cloud your judgement (pun intended) when it came to holy resistance

Link the vanilla source. If it's that same post from Allakhazam as "proof" you can slink back to the corner and continue licking the wall with Duki.

When it comes to holy resistance, judging from the opened game files there is a strong reason to believe it is an acquirable stat, after clear evidence provided by Cornholi showing the opposite (reading through the thread only thing you and Duki were able to come up with were drivel, as per usual with the walls of text of pure inane nonsense) in the thread you linked, it could be determined to rest that holy resistance has a server-side hackfix that nullifies the effects.

You cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt this is the case in judgements stacking.

 

BTW Dunky and theloras, using double judgements makes you an exploiter too with the logic you're applying to prismcharm (since it couldn't be proven it didn't last indefinitely in vanilla in your fairytale world - Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence! etc)

/kindest regards, Keep posting random screenshots and spamming up the thread with drivel - it's not going to make the bug report go away, facts and proof might.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Patchi said:

But, my issue is how Duki is going about his argument, he's not validating his argument at all, and by trying to invalidate another argument about a completely different topic, just goes to devalue anything he says at all. If there's a passion about this tpoic, which there seems to be in abundance, then go, do the research, and PROVE your argument as valid, rather than trying to invalidate others, validate yourself.

QFT!

And now we're devolving into mudslinging to win an internet argument. I don't know what the context of the picture you guys are sharing, but it's clear to me you're not interested in addressing the concerns that have been brought up. When you're able to successfully validate the claim that lower ranked Judgements can be applied on an entity with a higher ranked Judgement already in effect, feel free to post it on the Github once your ban is cleared so that this may be put to rest - else I hope it gets corrected soon to address what, at this time, appears to be a major oversight in the codebase.