Update the pvp gear on Zeth/Ely with BWL patch

[QQsya 4]

The reputation rewards aren't even in game either.  And once they are finally added, most of it is also better or on par with T2 pieces, lol.  So why not wait til Naxx to release the rep gear if you're worried about "OP PvP gear in PvE"? 

[Sabre 5]

3 minutes ago, QQsya said:

The reputation rewards aren't even in game either.  And once they are finally added, most of it is better or on par with T2 pieces, lol.  So why not wait til Naxx to release the rep gear if you're worried about "OP PvP gear in PvE"? 

You're simply wrong there friend. None of the reputation gear is better than blackwing lair items.
 

[QQsya 4]

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=22747

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16915

(technically an MC item but I said "T2 pieces" not "BWL items"

 

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=20194

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16832

 

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=20068

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19398

And so on.  Lei of the Lifegiver and Don Julio's from AV are literally irreplaceable for several classes.

 

I also notice you have zero problem with "OP PvE gear in PvP".  Why aren't you complaining about 1.10 BRE in 1.3, or the fact that t2.5 + DEOI is better than r14 for a warrior?

 

 

[Caber 4]

26 minutes ago, Sabre said:

Blade of Eternal Darkness also should have a proc but this is due to limitations of the team. These old proc spells are missing from the game files mostly.

Lel, that's a fucking joke. How hard could it be to put a sunder armor proc effect on a sword? I've seen more complicated custom weapons made by lone russian progrommers fucking around with a privately hosted server and uploading to youtube with eurobeat playing.

[Sabre 5]

8 minutes ago, QQsya said:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=22747

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16915

(technically an MC item but I said "T2 pieces" not "BWL items"

 

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=20194

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=16832

 

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=20068

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19398

And so on.  Lei of the Lifegiver and Don Julio's from AV are literally irreplaceable for several classes.

 

I also notice you have zero problem with "OP PvE gear in PvP".  Why aren't you complaining about 1.10 BRE in 1.3, or the fact that t2.5 + DEOI is better than r14 for a warrior?

 

 

AB items are released with ZG. Outrider's Silk Leggings with Patch 1.11. Don Julio's band is 1.9.

I do not condone OP PvE gear. BRE is only one item that is buffed. The entire epic PvP set is still excellent for PvP for most classes.

[QQsya 4]

Your original post:

>You're simply wrong there friend. None of the reputation gear is better than blackwing lair items.

Me:

*links several reputation items that are better than BWL items*

 

move goalposts harder plz

[doodoobrown 1]

They took out the blues in 1.3 due to the items being horrendously overpowered compared to pre-buff MC loot. This was the correct decision for this patch, but not after 1.6 where raid gear far surpasses pvp gear in its current form.

If you compare post-buff MC loot and BWL loot to the current pvp sets you'd wonder why people bother putting in months on end to grind pvp gear at all. The blues and even r13 sets are outclassed in every possible way by most t2 pieces and standalone items in BWL. Chromatic Boots and Mish are both superior to the caster r13 head and r13 plate boots respectively (even after update), rogue t2 completely outclasses r13, and Maladath is better for pve than the r14 sword after update as well.

Nostalrius had the updated blues during 1.6 and people still religiously did BWL and used t2, it caused no issue whatsoever aside from giving would-be raidloggers a reason to play every week, thus boosting standings and widening brackets making ranks more accessible to everyone. Where do you people get off complaining about a marginal at best dmg increase that takes months at end to obtain? Arguing for the sake of argument.

[QQsya 4]

Exactly, some of the updated r13 pieces compared to BWL loot are on par or superior, most are sidegrades.  No one is going to grind rank for 4 months to do (at best) like 2% more dps on BWL.  The people who will do that are the "dedicated PvPers". The only thing updating will do is give people more incentive to queue and thus expand the brackets.

[Haestingas 30]

Deal with it, welcome to a mostly blizzlike server with the correct gear. Hilarious you mention Nost when nost had over DOUBLE the pop of Elysium. Of course it was more active hahah. Next time research the server before you join, they were clear about this specific thing get rekt.

[QQsya 4]

On a server with about half the pop of nost, you'd expect brackets to be about half the size.  They are not.  They are much smaller, they are having similar problems as we're having on Zeth despite having a much bigger population. Why do you think that is?  Because most people CBA to queue for so long for dungeon blues.

 

And the server is -not- mostly blizzlike, unless you're suggesting that we remove the PvP honor system entirely until 1.4, as well as removing the battlemasters, AB, etc.

I'd appreciate if you'd read the entire thread before giving your opinion but I guess that's too much to ask these days.

[Haestingas 30]

Oh i've read your non stop sensationalist reasons. Funny how i said "mostly" blizzlike due to the exact reason you said. Pretty darn cute you still try to attack my post even though I covered my bases. But no please try to manufacture why the mods should change their LONG AGO ANNOUNCED stance on this issue. I'm ready for reason #14 that you want your precious pvp gear upgraded.

At least you did us all a favor by making QQ a part of your name, considering thats 95% of your posts.

[QQsya 4]

You addressed nothing and covered exactly 0 of the arguments that have been presented earlier in this thread. 

You:

U SUCK NOST WAS BIG ALSO MEMES

Me:

???

 

The people who want this are the actual PvPers, ie the people who keep a server alive.  The "overpowered PvP gear in PvE" point is a complete non argument, because

1. Most of the r13 pieces are on par or only slight upgrades/downgrades from individual T2 pieces.

2. Hunters, who arguably gain the most from the updated R13/R10 set vs T2, are shit dps anyway.  I'm sorry, but it's true.  People doing 2% more dps than they ordinarily would in content that's been on farm for 13 years isn't going to kill the server.  What will kill the server is BWL releasing and everyone becoming raidloggers once the PvP gear is absolutely outclassed by PvE gear.

 

Also my name is a pun on 救急車.  You are a swine and I am casting pearls at you, now begone.

[Sabre 5]

3 hours ago, QQsya said:

You addressed nothing and covered exactly 0 of the arguments that have been presented earlier in this thread. 

You:

U SUCK NOST WAS BIG ALSO MEMES

Me:

???

 

The people who want this are the actual PvPers, ie the people who keep a server alive.  The "overpowered PvP gear in PvE" point is a complete non argument, because

1. Most of the r13 pieces are on par or only slight upgrades/downgrades from individual T2 pieces.

2. Hunters, who arguably gain the most from the updated R13/R10 set vs T2, are shit dps anyway.  I'm sorry, but it's true.  People doing 2% more dps than they ordinarily would in content that's been on farm for 13 years isn't going to kill the server.  What will kill the server is BWL releasing and everyone becoming raidloggers once the PvP gear is absolutely outclassed by PvE gear.

 

Also my name is a pun on 救急車.  You are a swine and I am casting pearls at you, now begone.

People would have no obligation to get the PvP gear if it were equal to T2.

[Haestingas 30]

Nah you arn't an actual pvper, you are yet another whiner wanting your gear upgraded because "reasons". If you actually did any research about what you are arguing about you would know that the upgraded PvP gear is BETTER than BWL gear in a lot of cases in both pvp and pve. I find it equally hilarious that you complain about hunters when a well played one is one of the best pvp classes in the game especially once you get the zg trinket.

I know it's always been your dream to premade vs pugs and stomp them endlessly while dodging the other strong premades to maximize your honor per hour in order to receive BiS gear. Too bad that the staff was CLEAR AS CRYSTAL that the pvp gear wouldn't be upgraded until 1.11. I know it's asking a lot for a person such as yourself to read the OFFICIAL TIMELINE OF THE SERVER YOU JOINED that clearly states this, but here I'll help you out since you are obviously in denial.

https://elysium-project.org/timeline

Get rekt

[quasexort 4]

T2 for casters is pretty bad during the BWL patch, doesn't get updated until AQ patch.  Mage chest for example gave like 30 fire damage or something.  I thought I remembered them saying that they would update the pvp gear 2 weeks after AQ on ALL servers.  AQ seems like a good time to update it since that's when T2 gets updated with it's final stats.

Also didn't nost update the PVP gear during the ZG patch and NOT the BWL patch?

[Roxy 8]

Wow has always been a PvE game, the best gear has always been obtained from PvE.

They tried to seperate pvp and pve in tbc, but the best gear would always be from pve. Weapons and trinkets all from pve. 

They aint gonna change their minds on this because a very few die-hard PvPers think that Pve is too easy for them. 

 

[doodoobrown 1]

Nost was pretty clear about not releasing updated pvp gear early, until people began raidlogging in 1.5 and that was looking to continue until they decided to listen to the community and release the gear early so people would have incentive to play instead of just logging in once a week for BWL gear.

Do yourselves a favor and compare BWL gear to the current pvp blues and epics, there is absolutely no incentive to do pvp for someone who doesn't love it already. Unfortunately the honor system uses standings to calculate rank and breakpoints to decide who gets what amount of rank progress. Without more standings the breakpoint % will only service few players and force pvpers to rank for much longer due to how small the brackets are.

Can we stop pointless ad hominems and ITS ON THE TIMELINE memes and recognize a serious flaw in the honor system that could be helped by making the gear more appealing to pvers? If you guys hate premades so much then why all of the senseless hostility towards a sound way to increase the frequency of pugs so every game isn't a premade pugstomp.

Also, no one said hunters sucked in pvp, he said they sucked in pve and they do.

[QQsya 4]

Me:

"I think we should change the timeline!"

You:

"bUT it's dont say on timeline when 2 change timeline? haha r u dum my friend??????"

 

Get out of my thread and go back to kindergarten until you've learned how to read, Kevin.

 

[Storfan 24]

3 hours ago, doodoobrown said:

Nost was pretty clear about not releasing updated pvp gear early, until people began raidlogging in 1.5 and that was looking to continue until they decided to listen to the community and release the gear early so people would have incentive to play instead of just logging in once a week for BWL gear.

Do yourselves a favor and compare BWL gear to the current pvp blues and epics, there is absolutely no incentive to do pvp for someone who doesn't love it already. Unfortunately the honor system uses standings to calculate rank and breakpoints to decide who gets what amount of rank progress. Without more standings the breakpoint % will only service few players and force pvpers to rank for much longer due to how small the brackets are.

Can we stop pointless ad hominems and ITS ON THE TIMELINE memes and recognize a serious flaw in the honor system that could be helped by making the gear more appealing to pvers? If you guys hate premades so much then why all of the senseless hostility towards a sound way to increase the frequency of pugs so every game isn't a premade pugstomp.

Also, no one said hunters sucked in pvp, he said they sucked in pve and they do.

It's the unpolished flaws that make vanilla-wow flawless:)

[QQsya 4]

11 hours ago, quasexort said:

T2 for casters is pretty bad during the BWL patch, doesn't get updated until AQ patch.  Mage chest for example gave like 30 fire damage or something.  I thought I remembered them saying that they would update the pvp gear 2 weeks after AQ on ALL servers.  AQ seems like a good time to update it since that's when T2 gets updated with it's final stats.

Also didn't nost update the PVP gear during the ZG patch and NOT the BWL patch?

 

It seems you are correct, it was updated on nost in ZG patch, not BWL.  Which imo is an acceptable compromise as well. Updating it RIGHT when BWL releases would give ex-rankers a slight advantage in initial BWL progression, in that they'd already have BWL-equivalent(roughly) gear going into BWL.  I can see how that would be a problem.  Give everyone the chance to do BWL for a month or two and get their shit and then update the PvP gear.  I find that acceptable also, just don't wait until AQ or god forbid 1.11 after people have already been raidlogging for 9 months and there's 50 people online per side outside raid nights.  Just quash that problem before it even starts, if you want to maintain a healthy server pop.

 

To the other guy:

We are already on a custom timeline, changes have been made to the original Blizzard timeline to create a "custom vanilla" which stays true to the spirit of vanilla while making a few custom changes for accessibility's sake.  "Muh timeline" is not an argument, unless you also advocate for removing the PVP honor system until 1.4, unlinking the faction auction houses, etc. Maybe we should also bring back the craptastic 1.4 warrior talents, or make Inner Fire into an AP buff again?

[Sabre 5]

58 minutes ago, QQsya said:

 

It seems you are correct, it was updated on nost in ZG patch, not BWL.  Which imo is an acceptable compromise as well. Updating it RIGHT when BWL releases would give ex-rankers a slight advantage in initial BWL progression, in that they'd already have BWL-equivalent(roughly) gear going into BWL.  I can see how that would be a problem.  Give everyone the chance to do BWL for a month or two and get their shit and then update the PvP gear.  I find that acceptable also, just don't wait until AQ or god forbid 1.11 after people have already been raidlogging for 9 months and there's 50 people online per side outside raid nights.  Just quash that problem before it even starts, if you want to maintain a healthy server pop.

 

To the other guy:

We are already on a custom timeline, changes have been made to the original Blizzard timeline to create a "custom vanilla" which stays true to the spirit of vanilla while making a few custom changes for accessibility's sake.  "Muh timeline" is not an argument, unless you also advocate for removing the PVP honor system until 1.4, unlinking the faction auction houses, etc. Maybe we should also bring back the craptastic 1.4 warrior talents, or make Inner Fire into an AP buff again?

I don't think casual players will have a reason to log on. Only a small percentage of people will try to get rank 12/13. This will just lead to a lot of premades fighting each other and even killing PvP.

[QQsya 4]

Only a small percent will go past r10 or r11, as it's always been, but many more will go to, say, r7 for the gloves/boots 2 piece.  This will lead to an overall increase in PvP participation.

[doodoobrown 1]

I wasn't kidding about the differences being marginal as far as pve is concerned. Here's a list of updated pvp gear in comparison to BiS gear in 1.6. Let the numbers speak for themselves.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s9CLO31HDTjs2qPAn2FILB1dulLm1kup3G5Ih-Wrorg/edit

[QQsya 4]

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On 5/29/2017 at 1:48 PM, Haestingas said:

Nah you arn't an actual pvper, you are yet another whiner wanting your gear upgraded because "reasons". If you actually did any research about what you are arguing about you would know that the upgraded PvP gear is BETTER than BWL gear in a lot of cases in both pvp and pve.

Refer to the post above mine.  As you yourself said, "get rekt". There is literally zero argument against updating the PvP gear in either 1.6 or 1.7 unless perhaps you WANT Ely and Zeth to be completely dead outside raid nights because every guild bank already has enough mongoose/GFPP farmed to last for centuries and no one can be bothered to PvP.

 

>the upgraded PvP gear is BETTER than BWL gear in [..] pvp [...]

uh, no shit?  That's how it should be.  I for one think it's kinda ridiculous that r13 warriors are currently opting for t1 over r13 setpieces.  T1 gets updated stats in 1.5 that will also make it better in most cases than pre-update T2(and leagues better than the current pvp gear) which in actual retail didn't get updated til like 1.9.  I notice no one has a problem with updated T2 in 1.6, though.  The only arguments in this thread are from salty PVE SB who are upset that people want the PvP gear that takes MONTHS of 10+ hour days to attain to be on par with their precious T2 that you can max out in 8/8 after a month of raidlogging two or three hours a week.

 

[Haestingas 30]

10h days of rolling over pugs and dodging strong premades. Oh the struggle. PS it doesn't take diddly squat to get pvp items that are bis, just R8 is enough to beat bwl items for pve for warriors. I'm just glad you are getting rekt by staff on here, keep on bumping your dead issue that was made clear from day 1 would never happen.