Censorship gone autistic

[Haestingas 30]

14 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

This should be very obvious, shouldn't it? 

1.) PvP - server merges and all of the sudden Anathema players completely annihilate Elysium players. Not to mention brackets are ruined, even players with PvE gear would stomp on the Elysium players with PvP gear 

2.) PvE - server merges and we get a "glorified queue" that devalues all Elysium players when it comes to gear. Everyone would prefer to have an Anathema geared player over an Elysium geared player. 

3.) Economy - server merges and we will see insane effects on the economy. You are talking about a game that's only gold sink is buying a mount. And merging a server that has had an ongoing economy for more than 4 times the amount of Elysium. 

In almost every aspect of the game, a merge with Anathema and Elysium will put Anathema players at an extreme advantage over Elysium players. If you don't propose anything besides Elysium players sucking it up, I guarantee you that your ambitions will never come to fruition.

PvP : Sorry to be the breaker of bad news, but by the time that the merge would happen in my timeline (~1month after 1st Cthun kill on Elysium) ranking is pointless because BWL gear is the same as ranker gear with a couple of exceptions. The AQ gear that actually helps in pvp is tier gear that drops every single week, Dark edge, and that's about it. How many pvp people do you really think Anathema has? I think we have a single horde premade left in NA.

PvE - How many geared Anathema players would want to start from 0 in a Elysium guild? You would have zero dkp, or in the case of LC you would be behind on every single item that drops on prio. You wouldn't even have a raider space until a current raider stopped showing up.

Economy -  I don't know much about your economy, but our lotus is at ~75g each, grom is ~32g a stack, ele earth is ~3g each. Is yours really that different?

[BadnewsBetty 0]

13 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

 the merge wouldn't happen until ~1month after the first Elysium Cthun kill.

 I wouldn't be against it, but what will be the state of your server in 6 months?

[Haestingas 30]

2 minutes ago, Stodola said:

It was always possible the thread would be locked or deleted, given https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/49560-addressing-rumors-regarding-possible-anathema-elysium-merge/?do=findComment&comment=412093

It's nothing to do with the way the conversation was held, and you can bet this thread will probably be deleted too.

You guys are crazy to completely delete discussions. I'll have you know that kronos said THE EXACT SAME THING THAT A MERGE WOULDN'T HAPPEN, and they ended up merging anyways. How many things has this server backtracked from, how many deadlines were completely missed, how many announcements did you change like the bug mount? You are crazy to stop discussions, that is just wrong.

[Shiamorah 20]

2 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

 I wouldn't be against it, but what will be the state of your server in 6 months?

It would be later than this. Unless his suggestion is to also stall the naxxramus patch until Elysium naturally gets to it...

[Morathe 5]

4 minutes ago, Stodola said:

It was always possible the thread would be locked or deleted, given https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/49560-addressing-rumors-regarding-possible-anathema-elysium-merge/?do=findComment&comment=412093

It's nothing to do with the way the conversation was held, and you can bet this thread will probably be deleted too.

Its all good now, I got the screenshots :D

But please don't link me that rubbish statement that includes a warning of banning certain subjects. This should really be a shame post not something used to back anything up. 

[Stodola 26]

LSS: I said all that needed to be said in the previous thread. A merge is not a workable solution. If you keep agitating for a merge you're going to create an environment that is toxic to the players and make the situation worse. Your only viable solutions lie within getting players to play on Anathema and boosting the population that way. The greater context of private Vanilla WoW of today is vastly different to that of 2004+ and that's always going to make it harder to retain players at the top end. Content is being developed as quickly as possible while retaining a high level of quality. There is not much more than can be done. In fact, the burden for improving the situation on Anathema largely rests on the player's shoulders to create an engaging atmosphere that new players are going to enjoy. You need to foster your server. 

[Morathe 5]

2 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

It would be later than this. Unless his suggestion is to also stall the naxxramus patch until Elysium naturally gets to it...

The idea is to give Elysium "FAIR" chance not "EQUAL" chance. 

[Stodola 26]

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But please don't link me that rubbish statement that includes a warning of banning certain subjects. This should really be a shame post not something used to back anything up. 

I was unaware of this statement previously, and while I don't agree with censorship, really you have to blame Indi for this - it's pretty clear the current staff are not going to tolerate another agenda driven hate-fest that attempts to drive a merger, the way Indi and co ran the last one. 

[Stodola 26]

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The idea is to give Elysium "FAIR" chance not "EQUAL" chance. 

*cough* I'm sure that will go over well with the massive Elysium population and they will be all in favour of it. 

[Morathe 5]

3 minutes ago, Stodola said:

If you keep agitating for a merge you're going to create an environment that is toxic to the players and make the situation worse. 

If what you said about Zeth'kur group is true then agitating is actually the way to push the matter into action. 

[Morathe 5]

1 minute ago, Stodola said:

*cough* I'm sure that will go over well with the massive Elysium population and they will be all in favour of it. 

I'm sure they are pretty happy tho that Anathema act as a test realm for their future content so they can be free of issues Anathema had to swallow... and paid a price for it. 

[Stodola 26]

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If what you said about Zeth'kur group is true then agitating is actually the way to push the matter into action. 

Agitating will get you a warning and then banned this time round. I would't recommend it, and it would be shit-tier behavior on your behalf.

[Stodola 26]

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I'm sure they are pretty happy tho that Anathema act as a test realm for their future content so they can be free of issues Anathema had to swallow... and paid a price for it. 

I'm sure thoughts of Anathema don't even enter the consciousness of the players most of the time. Elysium has fielded it's share of bugs and bad patches - or did you forget the last round that just happened. Elysium owes Anathema nothing, you guys wanted to play at the forefront, and all that entails. You can't turn around and say to other servers "you owe us" for a decision you made.

[BadnewsBetty 0]

1 minute ago, Morathe said:

The idea is to give Elysium "FAIR" chance not "EQUAL" chance. 

Well that won't work then.

We are the populated server, therefore we have the power. Penalizing thousands of people to accomodate hundreds of people doesn't make sense. 

[Haestingas 30]

3 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

 I wouldn't be against it, but what will be the state of your server in 6 months?

 

1 minute ago, Shiamorah said:

It would be later than this. Unless his suggestion is to also stall the naxxramus patch until Elysium naturally gets to it...

That's exactly what I've been suggesting, while my timeline does have Elysium sped up from the current one (to reflect the timeline that retail had based upon world firsts) you wouldn't be reaching Naxx any faster than retail vanilla did based around the boss kill times.

As for Anathema, lets be real here. Naxx has a long way to go on scripting, I don't expect Naxx to be ready for 8months or so and that's being optimistic. Naxx has far more bosses with more complicated scripts than AQ, and look how much time AQ took them to complete.

 

Stodola : You are the one agitating the discourse by advocating shutting down discussion. While I'll admit that Morathe isn't helping the situation, it would be better to moderate his posts than just deleting the entire thing and making the general Anathema crowd feel silenced. This thread was created DIRECTLY because discussion was shut down in the other thread.

[Horten 9]

You took the future of Anathema away by completely cutting off the influx of new players with the creation of Elysium. Not to mention you scared away the remaining playerbase with garbage decisions on the War Effort, PvP gear choices, unkept promises and now we're somehow supposed to fix this mess ourselves? You were handed a 30k+ playerbase and screwed it up.

This server was done for a long time ago, some Vanilla Legacy this was. RIP Nost surrender monkeys 2015-2016

Also to all the Elysium players thinking they're not in the same boat, you'll see how many are left if you are even still there to turn in materials for the War Effort.

[Pottu 290]

You were spamming the same stuff in multiple threads if I remember correctly. The entire discussion is completely moot because Anathema and Elysium will not be merged.

Furthermore, the more you cry that Anathema is "dead" - it's not - then the more reason new players have to ignore it and instead play on Elysium. It would be better for everyone if you promote the positive aspects of playing on Anathema instead of the negative.