Lifestealing/Shadow Oil

[Talonari 0]

Hi guys,

Just a quick one as I have been debating this in my head over and over again.

However with regards to Lifestealing being mentioned multiple times for the best Ret weapon enchant, does this actually scale with SP as I am currently not seeing any benefit from this? Or are we just using it more as just a way to boost vengeance uptime?

Also in raids would Shadow Oil be a good choice over elemental sharpening stones? as this scales with SP quite well and can also crit meaning more vengeance uptime as well as benefitting from lock and SP debuffs, I imagine that especially at later gear levels for Ret that the sharpening stone will take over in terms of a DPS increase but for lower gear levels I am unsure.

 

[Theloras 108]

4 hours ago, Talonari said:

Hi guys,

Just a quick one as I have been debating this in my head over and over again.

However with regards to Lifestealing being mentioned multiple times for the best Ret weapon enchant, does this actually scale with SP as I am currently not seeing any benefit from this? Or are we just using it more as just a way to boost vengeance uptime?

Also in raids would Shadow Oil be a good choice over elemental sharpening stones? as this scales with SP quite well and can also crit meaning more vengeance uptime as well as benefitting from lock and SP debuffs, I imagine that especially at later gear levels for Ret that the sharpening stone will take over in terms of a DPS increase but for lower gear levels I am unsure.

 

Lifestealing USED to scale with spell dmg but it got nerfed to zero - however - they also fixed another bug which correctly allows it to trigger Vengeance when it crits which is much more important for overall Ret DPS.

Use Shadow Oil at your own risk as it would most likely eat up improved shadow bolt debuff charges and make your guild warlocks hate you :P

[Rafale 6]

So @Theloras, what is the best enchant to use if lifesteal doesnt scale? Crusader?

[Theloras 108]

6 hours ago, Rafale said:

So @Theloras, what is the best enchant to use if lifesteal doesnt scale? Crusader?

Both @Smiter and I still believe that Lifestealing is the best Ret and Reck enchant due to its high proc rate and Vengeace uptime help.

Crusader is also good but has a much lower proc rate.

Fiery is great for pure PvP as it has the highest proc rate of any enchant but completely useless in MC or BWL.

[Talonari 0]

Ok, think I will keep to lifestealing then.

@Theloras I have a Zin'Rokh and an Obsidian Edge at the moment, I know looking at higher base damage and slower speed that Zin'Rokh should be the better weap but before I go and enchant another weapon with Lifesteal, would the strength and wep skill and Obsidian make any comparable difference compared to Zin?

I am hit capped already anyway.

[Theloras 108]

30 minutes ago, Talonari said:

Ok, think I will keep to lifestealing then.

@Theloras I have a Zin'Rokh and an Obsidian Edge at the moment, I know looking at higher base damage and slower speed that Zin'Rokh should be the better weap but before I go and enchant another weapon with Lifesteal, would the strength and wep skill and Obsidian make any comparable difference compared to Zin?

I am hit capped already anyway.

ask @Smiter as he used OEB for a while back on Nost - also what race are you human or dorf?

[Talonari 0]

1 minute ago, Theloras said:

ask @Smiter as he used OEB for a while back on Nost - also what race are you human or dorf?

Human so that's a tasty 13 wep skill, I know it reduces how effective it is after a certain point but will increase glancing damage and further reduce dodges would it not?

[Theloras 108]

2 minutes ago, Talonari said:

Human so that's a tasty 13 wep skill, I know it reduces how effective it is after a certain point but will increase glancing damage and further reduce dodges would it not?

iirc 310 weapon skill is the cap that extra skill wouldn't do anything for you

point for point otherwise though zink'rokh blows OEB out of the water with 3.8 vs 3.4 swing speed

so not only will your SoC proc more often, it will do more damage when it does

[Talonari 0]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, just couldn't remember if the wep skill would of just had diminishing returns or just stop, can remember 310 being a mark of some sort just couldn't remember which.

Will enchant my Zin then 8-)

[Undertanker 88]

13 hours ago, Theloras said:

Fiery is great for pure PvP as it has the highest proc rate of any enchant but completely useless in MC or BWL.

Fiery and Lifestealing are both 6 PPM.

60 / x = y.    6 / y = Proc Rate   X is weapon Speed.  

On a 3.8 speed weapon: 38% proc rate. - Zinrok

On a 3.5 speed weapon: 35% proc rate. - Nightfall / Dark Edge of Insanity

On a 3.4 speed weapon: 34% proc rate.

 

 

[Theloras 108]

3 minutes ago, Undertanker said:

Fiery and Lifestealing are both 6 PPM.

60 / x = y.    6 / y = Proc Rate   X is weapon Speed.  

On a 3.8 speed weapon: 38% proc rate. - Zinrok

On a 3.5 speed weapon: 35% proc rate. - Nightfall / Dark Edge of Insanity

On a 3.4 speed weapon: 34% proc rate.

 

 

iirc Fiery had 7 PPM but I could be wrong - either way though the enchant is quite useless in either MC or BWL with all the fire immune mobs in both raid instances - making Lifestealing better for PvE

for solo grinding Fiery does more dmg, but lifestealing provides better survivability with the self heals, especially as Reck spec as you can get multiple procs in a single bomb

[Rafale 6]

Can we hope a fix on lifesteal scaling ?

[Guest]

Patch 1.7 removed the ability for Lifestealing to scale from spellpower. It was fixed early on by the Project Devs, but given that the team looks to be trying some awkward mishmash of itemization + mechanic patch progression in some places, it's beyond me if it'll be fixed. Even then, it would be for a total of one patch on Elysium, as the next patch would 'remove' its ability to scale.

tl;dr it won't because it's not a bug

(it's good to note though if they want to commit a change to the sql itemization scripts, though)

[lorthiras 7]

btw what do you think about 1h retri spell power spec?

sry for offtop.

[Theloras 108]

10 minutes ago, lorthiras said:

btw what do you think about 1h retri spell power spec?

sry for offtop.

i was hoping that Brock wouldn't have quit the game since he has TF and was going to go ham on 1hand ret

[Whitewolf 1]

On 8/9/2017 at 1:43 PM, lorthiras said:

btw what do you think about 1h retri spell power spec?

sry for offtop.

Mathematically speaking, if you aren't facing 3-4 enemies consistantly you would be better off with a slow two hander. It just doesn't scale well.

[Rafale 6]

@Theloras or @Smiter What do you think about 30 SP or 3% speed for reck / ret ?

Theloras i saw u said in another post that we could hope a fix for lifesteal. I'm so disappointed it doesn't scale at all with SP, it would be so good to boost inferior specs like Ret, enchance.

[Theloras 108]

1 hour ago, Rafale said:

@Theloras or @Smiter What do you think about 30 SP or 3% speed for reck / ret ?

Theloras i saw u said in another post that we could hope a fix for lifesteal. I'm so disappointed it doesn't scale at all with SP, it would be so good to boost inferior specs like Ret, enchance.

When it comes to maximizing Ret DPS it's all about maximizing Vengeance uptime.

With Lifestealing's high proc rate, it boosts your DPS much more than 30sp.

Also, the only you only want 3% melee haste on Nightfall while using SoR.